Hololive L Collection

[Unseiso Dragon]

Even the Holo L thread still has to be about Phase Connect.

Huh? All I see is an opinion from some random owl indie

Anyways speaking of Pippa takes

 

[Limkin]

I do kind of wonder if Proctor doesn't hear about positive experiences with managers simply because vtubers with positive experiences with their managers have less reason to approach him. Sample bias and all.

He is a dramatuber, no shit the only thing he hears is bitching and trying to push the negative narrative. In anything you are always going to hear more bad than good, because people who are content with something don't particularly feel the need to talk about it

 

[The Proctor]

He is a dramatuber, no shit the only thing he hears is bitching and trying to push the negative narrative. In anything you are always going to hear more bad than good, because people who are content with something don't particularly feel the need to talk about it

I am not a dramatuber. I talk to people that are happy with their careers and trajectories all the time. I know vtubers who have gone from 5 CCV to several hundred in a year. That's why I mainly watch indies, because their scene is thriving, while the corporate scene is dying. It's dying right before your eyes, and pretending it isn't won't make the corpse stink any less.

 

[Negzana]

I am not a dramatuber. I talk to people that are happy with their careers and trajectories all the time. I know vtubers who have gone from 5 CCV to several hundred in a year. That's why I mainly watch indies, because their scene is thriving, while the corporate scene is dying. It's dying right before your eyes, and pretending it isn't won't make the corpse stink any less.

Just because Cover has made some mistakes doesn't mean it's dying, it just lost two of its largest JP members, it's not going to repeat this mistake. It's not a corpse, it's not dying, it just has some infected wounds it can and will tend to

 

[Limkin]

I am not a dramatuber.

You are a youtuber whose primary content is talking about drama. You can huff your own farts as much as you want, but you fit the definition of the word to a teeth

 

[BlueSharkTV]

I am not a dramatuber. I talk to people that are happy with their careers and trajectories all the time. I know vtubers who have gone from 5 CCV to several hundred in a year.

that's nothing...especially when major corpos including niji give you at least 1k (unless you are finana) consistent viewers from debut.

That's why I mainly watch indies, because their scene is thriving,

lol

5 CCV

lmao

several hundred in a year

while the corporate scene is dying. It's dying right before your eyes, and pretending it isn't won't make the corpse stink any less.

it won't die unless the companies get dissolved which will never happen since Brave exists, and Holo will keep existing for at least the concerts and merch, besides even Wactor is still alive despite people shitting on it's corpse at every opportunity.

 

[The Proctor]

Just because Cover has made some mistakes doesn't mean it's dying, it just lost two of its largest JP members, it's not going to repeat this mistake. It's not a corpse, it's not dying, it just has some infected wounds it can and will tend to

If the mistakes were fixable then there wouldn't be any graduations. Fauna would not throw away an incredibly lucrative career as the top 0.001% of vtubers in the whole industry if she thought there was even a remote chance of her situation changing. The top talents are abandoning ship. Face reality.

You are a youtuber whose primary content is talking about drama. You can huff your own farts as much as you want, but you fit the definition of the word to a teeth

More than half of my content is not drama related. I have deliberately passed up multiple opportunities to stream about drama-related events. EIEN, Kawaii, the most recent Hololive graduations - all of which I could have streamed about and farmed for clout + attention. I don't do that, because I'm not a dramatuber. I don't care about drama, unless it specifically amuses me in a way I find funny. I want to see this industry change and address its abusive, damaging practices that destroy careers, ruin livelihoods, disrupt fanbases and foster an astonishingly toxic work environment that regularly sees the biggest talents in the industry passive-aggressively gossiping about each other on wretched hives like /vt/, and getting connections primarily via whose vr chat avatar they had cybersex with during the COVID afterparty scene.

it won't die unless the companies get dissolved which will never happen since Brave exists, and Holo will keep existing for at least the concerts and merch, besides even Wactor is still alive despite people shitting on it's corpse at every opportunity.

95% of Brave's talents are barely even 2view status. They are blatantly an investor honeypot and operate a nakedly predatory business model that promises to be either a black hole, or to end with pruning roughly 4/5ths of their assets to refocus their remaining resources onto the actually profitable parts of their portfolio. As for WACTOR... holy shit my man if this is your criteria for 'alive' then I guess Jesus never really needed that resurrection.

 

[Chiato Macchiato]

I stop watching Vtubers for a while to concentrate on my studies, come back to see how things are going because I'm on Christmas vacation and the world is ending... Never change Vtuber industry, never change (I'm suffering).

 

[Negzana]

If the mistakes were fixable then there wouldn't be any graduations. Fauna would not throw away an incredibly lucrative career as the top 0.001% of vtubers in the whole industry if she thought there was even a remote chance of her situation changing. The top talents are abandoning ship. Face reality.

What do I even do then? Just accept my oshi is gonna be whipped like Boxer from Animal Farm to an early graduation and stop following her activities because it will all end in tragedy? I have to be optimistic that things will get better. I will not act like the Vtuber Industry is beyond salvation due to some sample bias examples from the worst elements of the industry. Not every corpo is Nijisanji, or Wactor, or V&U, or Idol. Some are still fine.

 

[GOD'S STRONGEST BUILDERBEAR]

I think you all are faggots

 

[MerelyTourist]

Just because Cover has made some mistakes doesn't mean it's dying, it just lost two of its largest JP members, it's not going to repeat this mistake. It's not a corpse, it's not dying, it just has some infected wounds it can and will tend to

Nah, in current state they'll need at least two more painful financial hits/declines to steer back and lower talents workloads.

that's nothing...especially when major corpos including niji give you at least 1k (unless you are finana) consistent viewers from debut.

1k CCV
Yeah, and these corpos are Holo&Vshojo in EN and Holo&Niji&VSPO is JP. Everyone else gets low to mid 3view at best, but mostly 2view.

 

[The Proctor]

What do I even do then? Just accept my oshi is gonna be whipped like Boxer from Animal Farm to an early graduation and stop following her activities because it will all end in tragedy?

Yes, you should. Accepting reality is the first step to figuring out how to change it. You have to stare down the truth and absorb its implications. You will always be helpless and one step away from crushing disappointment if you constantly search for a rosy-cheeked reality where people are better than they actually are. Only then, after you've done that, will you be able to see ways to help that truly matter. You fight for what you want, or you resign yourself to having it taken away from you, time and again, by people that will spit in your face and laugh as you scurry away to find a new distraction for them to come and steal from you whenever it pleases them.

 

[Punished Anime Discusser]

Indies
>disqualify 95% of random whores, babinikus, outright troons and personality voids
are
>disqualify 4.99 more percent because most of their streams are collabs with the above or insufferable retards
THRIVING!
>finally, 10 watchable indies
>constant drama, gayops, clout chasing, content shifts into boring shit, politisperging on main and "uh akshually I have behind the scenes info and they're a bad person, I won't tell you how"
>finally, the 3 watchable indies
>they're all ex-Holo or Niji

 

[Rock Solid]

Yes, you should. Accepting reality is the first step to figuring out how to change it. You have to stare down the truth and absorb its implications. You will always be helpless and one step away from crushing disappointment if you constantly search for a rosy-cheeked reality where people are better than they actually are. Only then, after you've done that, will you be able to see ways to help that truly matter. You fight for what you want, or you resign yourself to having it taken away from you, time and again, by people that will spit in your face and laugh as you scurry away to find a new distraction for them to come and steal from you whenever it pleases them.

Swear every time a corpo has major controversy you always jump at the opportunity to preach about the "Indie master race" and writes paragraphs like a smug movie critic.

 

[Negzana]

I think we should be rational and not rely on tea leave astrologization or rrats here

2019 was a good year for Hololive
2020 was a tumultuous year
2021 was a good year
2022 saw Rushia's termination and Sana's graduation
2023 was a good year with Advent and Regloss
2024 was a year that started with a termination and continued with a graduation rush and constant complains of overwork

It's clear from this pattern that 2025 will be a good year for Hololive clearly. Even years are unlucky, odd years go well.

 

[The Proctor]

Swear every time a corpo has major controversy you always jump at the opportunity to preach about the "Indie master race" and writes paragraphs like a smug movie critic.

What else am I supposed to do? Stay quiet and say nothing is wrong, when in the last year, the biggest corporation in vtubing has effectively killed its international wing through multiple massive, crippling blunders, the 2nd largest has lost multiple members of its top talent pool, and there have been multiple other implosions among the smaller corporations that sprung up in the shadow of their former successes?

At what point am I 'allowed' or 'permitted' to talk about this kind of thing, exactly? Name the amount of talents that need to graduate, please. Perhaps we should collaborate and establish an official 'Selen Scale' for describing corporate maleficence, and have a little gauge on the corner of these threads I can monitor and know when a 7.5 Tatsukis level yab has taken place and I'm permitted to come and give my opinions.

 

[Helkar]

It's clear from this pattern that 2025 will be a good year for Hololive clearly.

Since you've just posted about it - not anymore.

 

[agility_]

Chris Brown is a streamer?



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It's such a foregone conclusion that gura is out the door, I would be more surprised that fans would find this surprising to begin with.
But history has shown, it's the least-likely vtubers who graduate, and usually when you least expect it.

 

[RiverBear]

Faggotry aside, it's kinda funny how people were just okay with Chloe's graduation announcement yesterday but suddenly up in arms about Fauna's
ONLY EN MATTERS

 

[Stunned But Dumb]

I don't know how people always come back to corpo vs indie when that is the most reductive fight/argument for the flaws in vtubing. If you want to legitimately argue it, you have to pretend both "sides" (stupid) haven't spent the last year tripping, shitting, and humiliating themselves but also pretend that they haven't had some amazing events and accomplishments.

Like it's easy to look at big names like Doki or small chill ones like Randon and say indie is the way to go

General Thread v2: Enhanced Segregation Techniques!

Memory and Yuu collab

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The Kenji Situation

I've talked about this situation briefly on the forum, but due to how insanely fast it has been moving I have not had time to document it much here. However, the Discord has been a non-stop hive of activity on this topic for several days now. This is a massive Happening in the vtuber sphere...

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Rage Pig Ho Down - Ralph Discovers vTubers to Spite GAYTOR

Recently we have had Sektur Champion Ethan Ralph get assmad at Gator for largely irrelevant reasons to what I am going to post here. TLDR though his former associate Gator has slowly been inching in the Vtuber sector which has caused Ralph to do some digging. One of the individuals who has...

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Two of those, as far as I know, are still very well connected or popular in the indie sphere despite the stuff around them, things that people are just willing to ignore, defend, or cherry pick. It's easy to call this dumb and say "no, not those indies" but we've been doing that all year with corpos too.

I can't remember where to find that picture of all the small corpos that were born in 2020-21 and died in 24, but pretend I posted that here.

EIEN Project Disintegrates

EIEN Project is dead, dave.

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Production Kawaii Disintegration & Post-Mortem

Production Kawaii is one of the older vtuber companies, having started all the way back in 2021. It is no stranger to controversy, most notably the mass graduation of the entire 3rd Generation, documented here, who went on to form V-Dere. Over the years, my attitude towards Kawaii has shifted...

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All of First Stage Production's Gen 1 Talents Graduate En-Masse

There's a mass graduation at First Stage Production The entire first gen is graduating (Amae Ten, Akane, Rose Swing, Kamiyori Shihai) following the termination of third gen member Akezaku Machi. There will be a stream from the first gen members about this at 11PM JST. If you don't know about...

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People are fine with sitting in the sewage as long as their sitting with someone who might be a friend and all that entails. I don't know about you, but I usually don't let guilty by association get to me, but shrugging your shoulders to active harassers and worse actually bothers me. The self destructive, profits over people style of japanese management bothers me.

This isn't a corpo cocksuck or an indie hate post. I'm trying to say that the details of the state of vtubing are worse than most of us on this board could ever know and trying to wrap it up in a nice pretty "us vs them" argument like american politics is missing the forest for the trees.