"Konyappi~ it's Hololive 4th gen's Takoyaki Tower-samaaa~"Tokoyami Towa

Hololive L Collection

RestlessRain

Well-known member
Early Adopter
Joined:  Sep 21, 2022
All your examples are from people who were previously subjected to either no management at all or extremely bad, borderline malicious miss-management. Also, Pippa has a known habit of overcompensating and ignoring problems when she thinks it's in the best interests of her company. I'd highlight her borderline choking her way through that PR piece she was obviously forced to do for Offkai to cover up the disastrous issues that affected Phase Connect's appearances, with her bearing the brunt of those issues in particular.
If your rants about managers cannot account for positive stories between talents and management like the stories I posted, at best your view is an overly simplistic view of the situation and managers in general.
 

Helkar

Well-known member
Joined:  Jun 14, 2024

I Wanna Die

Don't do drugs, blow all your money on vtubers
Joined:  Nov 15, 2023
'Why I'm shorting Hololive stock.'

Jesus fuck I hate corporate art. Just use fucking AI art instead, it's more respectable.
1733071487102.png
 

Bronze

Well-known member
Joined:  Nov 2, 2023
I haven't seen it posted. Anyone who has access might be interested
 

Punished Anime Discusser

Well-known member
Early Adopter
Joined:  Sep 12, 2022
Also, Pippa has a known habit of overcompensating and ignoring problems when she thinks it's in the best interests of her company.
You are aware that most of the reason why we know about PC's disastrous first year was because Pippa spilling the beans repeatedly during her meltdowns? Then the WoW stream where she talked about Fishman being a complete retard about hiring editors and assigning workloads, right? The about 15 different times she specifically said PC was ran like ass until Muumi was hired and saved the company? The time she talked about all of Gen1 being ready to walk out on fishman together? You are aware of this? Right?
 

Rock Solid

Member
Joined:  May 20, 2024
I'm sorry if I've given the impression that I'm trying to push people to watch indies. That isn't my intention. Who anyone chooses to watch is entirely their business. What I push back against is the mythology that fans have built up about corporations. People who buy into those mythologies are setting themselves up for disappointment.

When Nijisanji was dying, people were delighted to jump on their corpse to see what funny noises it made beneath their energetic gyrations. I joined in because, it was funny. It was funny even though somebody nearly killed themselves over it, because people are morbidly entertained by tragedy and disaster, especially when they feel it's deserved.

Now I see the coin slowly but surely flipping over onto its other side, and I have no desire to watch people uncritically ignore the painful bellowing of their sacred cow until it abruptly expires before their eyes and they're left waiting for an autopsy report to figure out who to blame.



All your examples are from people who were previously subjected to either no management at all or extremely bad, borderline malicious miss-management. Also, Pippa has a known habit of overcompensating and ignoring problems when she thinks it's in the best interests of her company. I'd highlight her borderline choking her way through that PR piece she was obviously forced to do for Offkai to cover up the disastrous issues that affected Phase Connect's appearances, with her bearing the brunt of those issues in particular.
The situation is still developing and we don't enough info to say What is really the actual issue. Edit: site kept freezing. probably because I'm in mobile.
 
Last edited:

Helkar

Well-known member
Joined:  Jun 14, 2024
I wouldnt be surpirsed if most self hired management doesnt do even a sliver of wrangling even the most hands off corpo fag does. What most indies want or need is essentialy a secretary to filter out and sort individual deals or opportunities
Also, an indie-hired manager that isn't a boyfriend probably can't do much wrangling by design, as his job is dependent on the chuuba not getting upset with him.
 

nooternun

(๑ 'ᆺ' ) Pfp is me IRL
Joined:  Mar 15, 2023
Framing. Chloe is leaving on good terms and is asking not to rrat (well, not like rratters will believe anything the talents say anyway unless it's bad, but still), Fauna is, well, not exactly. People would be more fine with Fauna leaving (beyond the usual doomposting about Hololive having sprung a leak) had she not outright gone "disagreement with management", (tried to) shut down the "streamer vs idol" narrative, and gone with the soft affiliate graduation instead of the hard graduation she went with.
Smelly Orca is considerate while plant is growing through your foundation. JP is posting that they love Cover and Fauna is lighting a match.

I had a thought in the Fauna thread: has Cover banned ASMR streams? If you don't know about the changes at Youtube, they've been nuking channels for ASMR seemingly on a whim. Because the last one I can find she did was in April, and the last EN was in September. Haachama, Okayu and Noel are the only ones still somewhat doing ASMR. (Though calling what Haachama does ASMR is questionable.)
Chaama was literally offering her "milk" to ERB. That's old school ASMR even if we know she is just being Chaama. ASMR is not banned and it's unlikely lemon will lean into it. ERB changed the Holo-meta with her rebroadcasts and any ASMR person could have followed that route.

Holo being the final corpo boss is good news considering even the people who leave stay on good terms.
 

sbm

Well-known member
Early Adopter
Archivist
Joined:  Sep 17, 2022
I haven't seen it posted. Anyone who has access might be interested

I tuned in but she just started her watchalong, will check the vod later if it survives.

e: managed to dig up some bits of it, hilariously just after her explanation someone rang the doorbell and she left stream for 10 minutes, but it ended up being Kiara's neighbor who is a single female lawyer. I swear this girl's life is fiction, even gets to yuri-bait with her neighbor...
 
Last edited:

Tuwuturu

All I want for Christmas is TND! <3
Early Adopter
Joined:  Sep 9, 2022
You are aware that most of the reason why we know about PC's disastrous first year was because Pippa spilling the beans repeatedly during her meltdowns? Then the WoW stream where she talked about Fishman being a complete retard about hiring editors and assigning workloads, right? The about 15 different times she specifically said PC was ran like ass until Muumi was hired and saved the company? The time she talked about all of Gen1 being ready to walk out on fishman together? You are aware of this? Right?
Exactly. Phase as a corpo has come a long, long way from its beginnings. It has also learned from its errors, and you can see that their hard work has paid off since every generation has a loyal following. To the point it outperforms NijiEN in certain time slots and against some NijiEN heavy-hitters.

Also, an indie-hired manager that isn't a boyfriend probably can't do much wrangling by design, as his job is dependent on the chuuba not getting upset with him.
Or, an indie-hired manager that might be your controlling family figure that has no idea on how to go about things and won't listen; but just wants to reap the monetary benefits of owning a golden goose.

This is a huge problem within indie-world that even the bigger indies suffer through - simply put because they are more at the mercy of their own decisions. It's easy looking at the greener pastures and thinking, "Well I can do it BETTER." Except once you go to the greener pastures you realize that there are a hundred other cows trying to enjoy the same greener pastures and who sometimes put insane amount of hours just to be able to perform at a 'survivable' pay. Let's not forget that you're also carrying a following that expects you to cater to their same sanitize tastes, which can easily drop you the moment they see that you aren't really into the same interests they have.
 

nooternun

(๑ 'ᆺ' ) Pfp is me IRL
Joined:  Mar 15, 2023

kanpainiggi

Well-known member
Joined:  Apr 24, 2023

Tubedude

Well-known member
Joined:  May 10, 2023
Inb4 we're all here rratting about what is going on in Cover to cause this sudden graduation, but the actuality is Fauna got pregnant and left because she doesn't want to raise a family while having to possibly deal with the saplings.
 

Superduper Samurai

Well-known member
Early Adopter
Joined:  Sep 10, 2022
Inb4 we're all here rratting about what is going on in Cover to cause this sudden graduation, but the actuality is Fauna got pregnant and left because she doesn't want to raise a family while having to possibly deal with the saplings.
I cant believe management wanted her to yeet the baby or leave it in HoloDaycare featuring Pekora and thats why she left
 

God's Strongest Mozumite

Mega Mozu Milkers.
Early Adopter
ENTERING FLAVOR COUNTRY
Joined:  Oct 28, 2022
On the topic of corpos vs indies, I've mentioned this before, but it's ignorant to reality to treat indies as this monolithic group where the activities of one can be construed as representative of them all. People here can pretend all indies are talentless whores selling their virtual bodies on Twitch, and people like Proctor and I can pretend indies are all good girls that dindu nuffin, but the reality is that both are true, since the term "indie" is big and all-encompassing enough to unite them simply by what they aren't, which is a corpo vtuber. Even if the corpo scene explodes, that'd give the term indie even less meaning, as then that'd be the default state of vtubers and would describe exactly nothing. Total corpo death does seem more possible than ever before at this point, given how Holo is fucking things up, but if it does come to pass (which would also have to mean Brave and all the small corpos die off, for some reason), I don't think we would see the Age of the Indie, as if indies are all on the same team and cooperating under the same banner. People would just do their own thing. Hell, some would probably try and make their own company, and then this autistic debate would start all over again.

On the topic of Hololive Ls, it feels like karma has come for holobros after a year or two of Total Niji Death. In the end, Hololive is a large Japanese corporation, subject to all the autism and retardation that comes with the territory, and while we've been willing to overlook it for all the good they've done, they have, historically, made a lot of fuck ups. It shouldn't be that surprising they would hit a rough patch like this, especially with them going public recently. I can't say I'm as bloodthirsty towards them as I am Niji, at least for the sake of the talents I care about like Mori and Gigi, but I would really like to see this situation acknowledged by Yagoo, with an explanation of why it happened and what he's going to do to prevent it happening in the future. If he has one thing Riku didn't when he made his statement, it's goodwill, and if he wants to maintain that goodwill, he needs to stop this talent bleed before more people lose their oshis.
 

BioBreak

You gonna eat that?
Early Adopter
Joined:  Sep 14, 2022

ZeRick

New member
Joined:  Feb 3, 2024
I had a thought in the Fauna thread: has Cover banned ASMR streams? If you don't know about the changes at Youtube, they've been nuking channels for ASMR seemingly on a whim. Because the last one I can find she did was in April, and the last EN was in September. Haachama, Okayu and Noel are the only ones still somewhat doing ASMR. (Though calling what Haachama does ASMR is questionable.)
It's not banned but what they're allowed to do has been restricted. Shit started getting bad when those Bunny Garden streams got taken down, Okayu toned down her membership ASMR, Choco eventually got hit and hasn't done it for a few months worsening her usual lack of streams. They can still do ear cleaning, ear blowing, whatever other mundane sounds but Choco and Okayu liked to make moaning sounds and that's gone now.

I wish they would stream it elsewhere, there's no point paying for the membership if the ASMR has to be kid friendly while youtube ignores the dozens of onlyfans girls showing their bare tits and thongs under the guise of educational.
 

MerelyTourist

jkterjter jkterjtier
LM's Ladyboy
Joined:  Feb 5, 2024
Total corpo death does seem more possible than ever before at this point, given how Holo is fucking things up, but if it does come to pass (which would also have to mean Brave and all the small corpos die off, for some reason), I don't think we would see the Age of the Indie, as if indies are all on the same team and cooperating under the same banner.
Classic corpos will diminish and even Holo will settle as more of a career step than ultimate goal.
Millions go from random part-time to corpo to better corpo to opening their own business, vtubers won't be any different. In fact, top performers of top corpos are logically first candidates to go out on their own, unless music is not their main thing and they actually require such production team. Work 1-5 years for a corpo, then leave when your paycheck stops growing (for any reason).
 

Belle Delphine's Armpit

🎨🐿️🔮🧟‍♀🦚🍂📜🔨☔
Joined:  Dec 7, 2022
I haven't seen it posted. Anyone who has access might be interested
is it possible that kiara's just coping as much as we are? :pippasadl:
 

Superduper Samurai

Well-known member
Early Adopter
Joined:  Sep 10, 2022
is it possible that kiara's just coping as much as we are? :pippasadl:
I feel like an actual inside man wouldnt feel that much of a need to cope if she is in a "safe" space. (not really but many still treat members like that) and she is being more neutral than positive or even too reassuring, but also not too doomer either, being doomer isnt hard for Kiara because of her terminal brainworms so she is probably in sound mind about it so far
 
Last edited:
Top Bottom