"Isn't that what we all are though? We are all... comedians"Mori Calliope

Hololive L Collection

agility_

We have some serious streams to discuss 🔨
Early Adopter
Joined:  Sep 14, 2022
lol.png
Anime fans have this deranged cult-like tunnelvision where they see their preferred consumer medium as the harbinger of pop culture, when in reality it's just as soulless, just as waste mass producible trash as the lump of manure that is disneyfied goyslop that only they deem to be better than.
Still it was jarring to see alegria globohomo at the end of 2024, I was certain that the corpo backlash had seen the last of it being used for investor PR purposes.
 

BioBreak

You gonna eat that?
Early Adopter
Joined:  Sep 14, 2022
Still it was jarring to see alegria globohomo at the end of 2024, I was certain that the corpo backlash had seen the last of it being used for investor PR purposes.
This is a nip company we're talking about. They're usually decades behind in corpo/tech trends. You're lucky they didn't have a Geocities design on that shit.
 

bothyourhouses

Well-known member
Joined:  Sep 28, 2022
Affiliates are fucking graduations and calling them anything else is fucking gay and retarded.
Using either euphemism is equally gay. Call it quitting.
I'm not sure why people think Fauna graduating would make them make any serious, non-corpo answer as to what they are doing, if Aqua, Ame, and Chloe didn't lol.
At some point the sheer quantity becomes its own message, rather than the specific person.
You know, in general vtubers just aren't going to last as long as people working an office job or construction. That's just not the kind of job it is.
I don't think the medium has been going long enough to say that for sure yet. There are comedians or pro wrestlers (once the companies stabilised, which took a while) who've been going for decades.
You realize they flew Ina out and housed her on their dime right? Just to fuck her over right? Good rrat
You joke but that's an absolutely classic way Japanese companies screw with people they want to get rid of. Fly out on this vital business trip, whoops there's not actually any job for you to do here, just amuse yourself for a bit and go home. It fucks with you more than you might think.
wouldn't newer people leaving(such as Kunai and Vivi dipping from Niji) be a worse look for the company overall?
No. New people quitting can be shrugged off as them just not fitting or having different expectations, like Vesper or Zaion. When an established person leaves that's more of a sign that the company has changed for the worse.
This sentiment also erases the early struggle Suisei used to have before settling in as an official Gen 0 member, will you say the same about Mori too because she's the "Most popular and successful HoloEN so far" as well?
Not saying this is what's happening in Holo, but people like that can be some of the worst bullies to have as seniors. They're untouchable and don't take your problems seriously, and they have the perfect counter to any complaint because "they had it worse".
His post was about management conflicts. You know, the one thing that independents don't have to deal with.
Remember Bao's previous scandal? It happens with indies too.
This is the way Cover wants things to be. I'm convinced of that at this point. Either because they are the way the shareholders have decided things should be, or Cover's imperfect perception of their customer base has determined this as being the best way forward.
I don't think it's that deliberate. They're just Japanese, and genuinely incapable of imagining a large company that isn't awful.
Would it be historical revision to say that might have been more of a cynical business decision than anything talent focused?
Yes.
I think there's enough examples of literal zero output for months that it's evident many of Cover's talents do turn down most of the opportunities they're given,
but that does prove that even within Hololive, talents are free to invest as much time into their career as they choose
That's the positive take. The other possibility is if management has them all working flat out and then half the stuff they do never sees the light of day.
 

Unseiso Dragon

Seiso? Say No!
Joined:  Jun 8, 2024
This is a nip company we're talking about. They're usually decades behind in corpo/tech trends. You're lucky they didn't have a Geocities design on that shit.
This is why it's funny seeing "But muh honoraburu samurai culture is too conservative for woke shit" type comments. We're fucking retarded, so when we see westerners burning their fingers on retardation it takes a while before we go "oooh we want to do that too!"
 

MerelyTourist

jkterjter jkterjtier
LM's Ladyboy
Joined:  Feb 5, 2024

BioBreak

You gonna eat that?
Early Adopter
Joined:  Sep 14, 2022
It always makes me chuckle when people post these charts (whether its Niji or Cover or fucking any other publicly-traded corpo) and it's a 1-day or 5-day price drop and then you zoom out a month (or 3-months for your typical quarterly view) and it turns out it's within the normal trading range for that stock. Investors and a company board care about the actual financials on an earnings report - not stock price movement, which is usually irrational and doesn't necessarily reflect the company's financial health.

Case in point, Intel's CEO abruptly resigned/retired today. The company has been treading water for the last few years, lost it's tech lead to TSMC, AMD and NVIDIA, constantly delayed product launches and has been losing money and customers for the past few quarters. This CEO was brought on a few years back specifically to help turn the company around - and he retires without even following through on the vision/roadmap of his turnaround plan when he first came on and the board had to appoint two fucking people just to take over his job. And the fucking stock is up 3-5% today. Stock price shit doesn't make sense and is why people who actively look and trade the market DAILY are a bunch of deranged maniacs. I think young Robert Downey pretty much summed it best:

 
Last edited:

Jean Valjean

Brimming with salt
Joined:  Feb 22, 2023
Mood on r/hololive has swung in the direction of the anti doom posting people after Shiori and Bae came out against it. I expect the usual Reddit hugbox to resume soon enough.

I do hope the optimistic people are right, though. I don't want Hololive to turn into Nijisanji, but hugbox people want to blame everything on antis, sisters, and other bad actors when it's probably really just Occam's razor: fans are on edge in general due to the Selen Shock.
 

Superduper Samurai

Well-known member
Early Adopter
Joined:  Sep 10, 2022
Mood on r/hololive has swung in the direction of the anti doom posting people after Shiori and Bae came out against it. I expect the usual Reddit hugbox to resume soon enough.

I do hope the optimistic people are right, though. I don't want Hololive to turn into Nijisanji, but hugbox people want to blame everything on antis, sisters, and other bad actors when it's probably really just Occam's razor: fans are on edge in general due to the Selen Shock.
I think it will eventually mellow out if current talent has been dwelling on it for a while, im honestly seeing more knee jerk dooming than knee jerk wagon circling around Holo for Fauna.

I have a feeling the Holo fanbase wont degenerate into Nijisisters since Nijisisters are a very specific kind of audience that the talent cultivated while Holos have alot of normies behind them, and even some super fans are well adjusted while also being superfans.
Holos are also more unity-happy, Nijis by comparison have retarded infighting that was a stereotype even before Selen

The situation was also undeniably more grim for Selen, Fauna had a major disagreement that lead to people understansably questioning the future of the company, Selen almost offed herself and the company tried to paint her as a pariah twice. To the point where they posted managment DMs with her to try and swing public favour to Niji
 
Last edited:

Negzana

Well-known member
Joined:  Apr 15, 2023
I think it will eventually mellow out if current talent has been dwelling on it for a while, im honestly seeing more knee jerk dooming than knee jerk wagon circling around Holo for Fauna.

I have a feeling the Holo fanbase wont degenerate into Nijisisters since Nijisisters are a very specific kind of audience that the talent cultivated while Holos have alot of normies behind them, and even some super fans are well adjusted while also being superfans.
Holos are also more unity-happy, Nijis by comparison have retarded infighting that was a stereotype even before Selen
A lot of hololive fans joined because Hololive seemed like a safe haven from the bullshit plaguing entertainment. If Hololive ever became as bad as Nijisanji, I'd imagine it be split between those who are in denial (not not like the Niji kind, more like the apathetic "things will pass" type), and those who are very vocal about the well-being of the talents before anything else. I don't imagine the sort of cancerous fan base we saw for Nijisanji will arise.
 

Punished Anime Discusser

Well-known member
Early Adopter
Joined:  Sep 12, 2022
The situation was also undeniably more grim for Selen, Fauna had a major disagreement that lead to people understansably questioning the future of the company, Selen almost offed herself and the company tried to paint her as a pariah twice. To the point where they posted managment DMs with her to try and swing public favour to Niji
Not to mention the Zaion termination statement beforehand, which already gave people a pretty good indication of how Niji handled internal disagreements.
 

Void Scribas

Well-known member
Joined:  Apr 27, 2024
The situation was also undeniably more grim for Selen, Fauna had a major disagreement that lead to people understansably questioning the future of the company, Selen almost offed herself and the company tried to paint her as a pariah twice. To the point where they posted managment DMs with her to try and swing public favour to Niji
Thats why the people comparing the two situations are so retarted. The Nijisanji fuck up was infinitly worse, it got the mainstream news attention, there was breaches of the law by Niji, DOKI NEARLY KILL HERSELF ,HOW IS THAT JUST LIKE THIS CURRENT SITUATION?

Hell, this is a walk in the park compared with what happened with doki. This is just a professional disagrement were both party departed in good faith, the depart itself is sad and being more than one of them does make me worry. But i dont see Holo becoming Niji, you need something much worse to get to that level.
 

MerelyTourist

jkterjter jkterjtier
LM's Ladyboy
Joined:  Feb 5, 2024
spergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingspergingsperging
dude, this wasn't meant to be serious market analysis, only funny note
 

GOD'S STRONGEST BUILDERBEAR

"Shut up, Dazzle. I will clip your balls" -SB
Early Adopter
Joined:  Sep 12, 2022
Anime fans have this deranged cult-like tunnelvision where they see their preferred consumer medium as the harbinger of pop culture, when in reality it's just as soulless, just as waste mass producible trash as the lump of manure that is disneyfied goyslop that only they deem to be better than.
People putting it above the rest ignore the reason why everyone tries to be anime these days. Retards ruined animation for themselves and now have to colonize and appropriate other cultures style just to stay afloat cause otherwise literally noone is going to watch their bullshit. That said fuck one piece, if anything is a slop, that shit is.
 
Top Bottom