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Alright UMK3 rotoscoped Proctor, calm down.
I realise your people spend 22 hours a day making iPhones from the age of five until you either die of old age or throw yourself out the window so this might be alien to you, but people in other countries value a healthy work/life balance, and leave their jobs if they're not happy with them. Chill out, bro.
I need to vent about this:
I'm sick and tired of pretending everything is fine wend I know something is obviously wrong. I want to believe my Oshis but I can't stop this feeling of knowing how this story ends. As some one who is probably Kiara's biggest fan here on the forum, I just can't believe her on the fact that everything is fine. It doesn't help that this situation is reviving some extremely negative feelings I had towards Hololive 4 years ago.
I'm sorry for being extremely negative and dooming about this but this is how I'm feeling right now. From now on, I'm going to take a break form everything Hololive related for my mental heath.
Again, I'm Sorry if I'm going about this the wrong way.
I'm sick and tired of pretending everything is fine wend I know something is obviously wrong. I want to believe my Oshis but I can't stop this feeling of knowing how this story ends. As some one who is probably Kiara's biggest fan here on the forum, I just can't believe her on the fact that everything is fine. It doesn't help that this situation is reviving some extremely negative feelings I had towards Hololive 4 years ago.
I'm sorry for being extremely negative and dooming about this but this is how I'm feeling right now. From now on, I'm going to take a break form everything Hololive related for my mental heath.
Again, I'm Sorry if I'm going about this the wrong way.
If you can't believe the person words of a person who spent 4 years shitting on management and who you claim to be the biggest fan of, then that sounds like more of a you problem, to be honest.
It's almost as is every person have different flexibility limit and set of requirements for workplace...
Don't worry I would never lie to you, if something was bad I'd tell you.
Also I had sex with all of your oshi's and then we laughed at you.
You had sex with Marina?
Where there's smoke....
....there's fire.
If this was such a unique situation, there would not have been a half dozen graduations/terminations in Holo this year. Lest we forget, Ina would have graduated too if not for her talent manager going to bat for her. There are also dozens of moments during the past year where different Holomem have acknowledged that things have changed in the company.
The absolute best case scenario here is that Holo has one or two very autistic Japanese middle managers who are needlessly making things difficult for the members they're in charge of, rather than the whole company fucking things up and making the girls lie about it.
Well if any other people were caught in the act and said everything was OK maybe id put weight into there being a coverup, but we have Kronii and Kiara, two women who got fucked by management once or twice and they often dont have too kind words for when things fuck up. The former is also Fauna's genmate
I think its still too early to really piece together how drastic of a change happened and when. But i think talent is still not entirely coping or covering shit up, just people being mixed without really knowing how to express it
Again, compare it to actual companies in crisis and you have meltdowns on stream and outbursts, "They can just fucking ask" didnt become a meme for no reason
It's almost like people have different bullshit tolerances and won't be willing to bend over backwards to deal with some bullshit another person would be. Kiara has a history in the actual idol industry and has been bent over in a wrestling ring, so it's going to take a lot for her to finally hit that eject button.
It's really easy to just keep girls who blab out of the loop. Kiara/Kronii's tendencies to go off on management is a known quantity to everyone, lets not pretend that Hololive is somehow unaware of it. Also, Kiara has a very close rapport with Jenma, who has a lot of seniority in Holo and may well have insulated her from the worst of anything going on.
Oh yeah, and for all of Kiara's yapping, she knows very well where the line is. She's never gone so far as to leak shit that management has specifically required her to keep quiet about. If she was the type to do that she would have gotten Rushia'd long ago.
Smoke = Fire. Let's not pretend everything is ok and that this is a one-off isolated incident, when we've had a half-dozen "isolated incidents" this year already.
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Which just reinforces the point that Fauna's bullshittery limit is clearly lower the everyone else's lol
Yes, because the shit she can't yap about is stuff like projects and graduations. If it is something related to internal issues, she DOES yap.
The point is, there is nothing we know of that is ACTUALLY different than any other year. Apparently people just do not pay attention because the shit people say that drove Fauna out has been happening to EVERYONE for years. Bad managers, cancelled projects, literally none of that is new.
I dont think its as easy for management to hide shit as people say, people can still talk with each other or not about how the company is doing and make decisions based around how they and their coworkers feel, i dont know if they're actually that close but chances are that internal things arent as easily hidden as people say, these are women and women love bitching to each other almost as much as they enjoy fucking each other over, so maybe a 50/50
Yeah, nobody really has or they would've been Rushia-ed, but that still leaves space for shit they dont actually ask people to not talk about still, again, people have gotten inklings of management not always being the best for years, and seemingly without a public censure on the talent's reputation
Yes, but some people are acting like there are overwhelmingly choking plumes of smoke on the horizon when its not even clear enough considering how early everything is. I wouldnt discount shit being bad, but we still dont have any sort of concrete picture formed and i think people are overreacting on pure scraps
Again, look at companies like Nijisanji, WACTOR etc. Those always had incredibly direct and clear sources of fuckery, all we have are nebulous inklings of something that we still should parse through with a more calm lens before finally declaring that everything is shit and people are lying to others.
In my experience, women invest far more into relative rankings than men do. I think that Vesper demonstrates that pretty obviously. He didn't give a shit who management was, he called them right out. A woman is far, far, far less likely to do that. They will sit and take much worse conditions and not question it because the person making things bad for them is in a higher position. Yes, they will complain to each other. Yes, they will vent to other people. Yes, they will vaguepost. But never underestimate just how hard and how far you have to push the average woman before they'll snap back like the average man will. Then factor in that 99% of vtubers suffer from some form of social anxiety or avoidance issues, and it all compounds into a delightfully exploitable workforce.
It will of course depend on the person, but women being less probable still doesnt rule out them talking together, we had a negative example of that (with another man) with how Vox tattled that Selen was recording him when they were talking about internal issues. Its a canadian company but Phase fucks cant stop singing the praises of Muumi when they were considering fucking off from the Fish.
And i think, atleast with the current crop of Holos, not everyone is quite the meek and retarded types that are picked up by the dime a dozen micro corpos. Mori tweeted when Rushia got shoah-ed, people have said the Kronii and Kiara examples for pages now, etc. Ex holos dont quite sound as defeatist from their companies compared to how Ex-nijis sound, and most of those ex-Nijis left right before the public turned against the company. Vesper candidly speaks about his time, but he doesnt name names and calmly stated some things were his fault like his temper even when they were fucking him over
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Fauna's bullshittery limit, and Aqua's bullshittery limit, and Ame's bullshittery limit, and Chloe's bullshittery limit, and...
If this year is no different from any other, we wouldn't have had 0 graduations last year and 4 graduations, a termination, and Ina's near explosion over the visa problem this year.
"Nothing that we know of"? They know about it, and some are leaving, and some are on extended haitus, and some are talking about how Hololive has changed over the years on stream.
I'm not saying we have a concrete picture of anything. I have absolutely no fucking idea what exactly is going on, and I don't think Hololive is going to collapse: hell, Niji hasn't collapsed and they're far worse as a company. What I am doing is pushing back on this nonsense narrative that somehow Fauna has a thin skin and that's why she's graduating. Kiara, or Fubuki, or whoever your preferred canary is, can say whatever the hell they want or don't want to say about their job. But to pretend that there isn't smoke coming out of Hololive right now is disingenuous, and there's a lot of it going around at the moment.
Something that I don't think people are putting enough thought into is that Hololive is a challenging job that requires a stupid time investment and everyone who is leaving has been there for a significant amount of time. Work like this burns people out, even if you enjoy it, and sooner or later people will need to move on.
The video games industry is a similar high intensity industry where the average time someone spends in it, total, is 5 years. Even in well run companies, the overtime and crunch wears out its welcome regardless of how much it may have been your dream job throughout your secondary school and university years. I hit 5 years and had to bail out because what was a tolerable time investment when I was single or in a long-distance relationship was no longer tolerable once I was married and cohabitating.
Another thing that isn't being considered is the age of the people doing this work. With the benefit(?) of looking back at my twenties from middle age, something that many of my friends and I have talked about was that we all went through radical changes in our self-perception and aspirations around the age of 27. I was beginning to feel unfulfilled in the video games industry, another friend of mine was already working on a major political campaign which had been a goal of his since high school, another friend had gotten a few years into his dream engineering gig, and we realized that the goals of our school years were not what could fulfill us going forward. 27 isn't even hitting hag age. Some of the talents have got to be thinking "is this what I'm sticking with?" and the feeling of emotional debt towards the fanbase is what's keeping a non-trivial number of talents from going indie or quitting.
To a degree, these vtubers at the extreme end of popularity and income have an advantage that many people don't have for being able to step away from these jobs if they no longer feel invested: they don't have children and mortgage payments that are predicated on the six figures that most Hololive talents are clearly bringing in. If you have kids, you'll stay shackled to the grinding corpo job that requires overtime because you're able to provide for them. If you have a mortgage, you will engage in the yuppie Nuremburg defense and do whatever it takes to stay in that house.
I'm not suggesting that there are no problems at Cover. Even the best workplaces have their problems and a company that has been through the growth that Cover has is certain to have problem actors in addition to nonsensical policies, meeting requirements, or general East Asian Corporate fuckery. But a lot of that stuff can be framed so as to be tolerable. It's when those feelings of meaning and satisfaction evaporate that they become intolerable. Old man brain-vomit, for what it's worth.
The video games industry is a similar high intensity industry where the average time someone spends in it, total, is 5 years. Even in well run companies, the overtime and crunch wears out its welcome regardless of how much it may have been your dream job throughout your secondary school and university years. I hit 5 years and had to bail out because what was a tolerable time investment when I was single or in a long-distance relationship was no longer tolerable once I was married and cohabitating.
Another thing that isn't being considered is the age of the people doing this work. With the benefit(?) of looking back at my twenties from middle age, something that many of my friends and I have talked about was that we all went through radical changes in our self-perception and aspirations around the age of 27. I was beginning to feel unfulfilled in the video games industry, another friend of mine was already working on a major political campaign which had been a goal of his since high school, another friend had gotten a few years into his dream engineering gig, and we realized that the goals of our school years were not what could fulfill us going forward. 27 isn't even hitting hag age. Some of the talents have got to be thinking "is this what I'm sticking with?" and the feeling of emotional debt towards the fanbase is what's keeping a non-trivial number of talents from going indie or quitting.
To a degree, these vtubers at the extreme end of popularity and income have an advantage that many people don't have for being able to step away from these jobs if they no longer feel invested: they don't have children and mortgage payments that are predicated on the six figures that most Hololive talents are clearly bringing in. If you have kids, you'll stay shackled to the grinding corpo job that requires overtime because you're able to provide for them. If you have a mortgage, you will engage in the yuppie Nuremburg defense and do whatever it takes to stay in that house.
I'm not suggesting that there are no problems at Cover. Even the best workplaces have their problems and a company that has been through the growth that Cover has is certain to have problem actors in addition to nonsensical policies, meeting requirements, or general East Asian Corporate fuckery. But a lot of that stuff can be framed so as to be tolerable. It's when those feelings of meaning and satisfaction evaporate that they become intolerable. Old man brain-vomit, for what it's worth.
for now she's the only one that mentioned management being an issue.
I don't remember them talking about management disagreements as their reason to graduate, for all we know they just didn't want to be part of the face of the company, Chloe had health related issues listed as part of her reasons to leave, and Aqua may not have liked being delayed her 3D performances due to the amount of talents and the studio not being enough to accommodate them all in a timely manner, or maybe she didn't want to be treated like a mascot due to her autism, Ame liked the company enough to make them have an alternative to graduations, and more than likely her main reason to leave being restrictions on all the things she wanted to do.
Nothing that we know of
why the fuck does it matter if they know about it, if they won't talk about it in detail we can only speculate for now if all they say is "things changed" what fucking things? do you know? we don't so do tell us, since
somehow means we now read minds.
who? Mumei is taking care of her studies to make sure her grades don't go any lower, Gura has some health issues she herself talked about with what little she tells about her absence, Ina has the visa issues yet she still scheduled content to be posted, who else is there that is currently on hiatus?
Fuck off, Covershill
I hope Yagoo's ass is delicious considering how much you've been kissing it
We here respect the talents and if they say fuck management, then fuck management
