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[Svarog]

Zephyrianna released new cover


Afterparty stream


Bam playing FFXIV


Fatum Ruptor playing A Way Out


Tomoe Carmine's chatting stream in a hour

 

[Salado]

Thanks Jelly.

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[UberSoldat]

Thanks Jelly.

You would too Jelly if you were hooked.

 

[Willemshaven]

Highlights of Nene's recent outfit reveal.


Animation of Gura and Kronii in a fast food restaurant.


Mio does a tarot reading of the FubuMio pair from Okayu's suggestion.


How Ollie's friend got Ollie on her path to VTubing.

 

[I Wanna Die]

As for people complaining about vtubers being normal people, its time to grow up and realize that vtubing is not as niche as it was a few years ago. The point has been crossed where a lot of vtubers are normal streamers behind a model and they are going to do all the normal streamer things like talk about their life. People forget that you dont have to like every single vtuber to still be a vtuber fan.

We should kill those people.

 

[lakyus]

!!! BREAKING NEWS !!!​

Ami got a map.

Holy shit!!!11

 

[Kanna's Glowiest Assistant]

Kanna is playing Still Wakes the Deep, a horror game that puts you in the most terrifying of situations: Being an industrial worker in the UK

Randon also does some sea-themed horror in Subnautica

There was also this leak (thread 94713723) No further leaks about the pixel situation sadly, just this:
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This doesn't paint Chio in the greatest light, shitting on her fanbase (her PL's too) to what I assume is a discord inner circle (since her official one is just for notifs). Now this would be a drop in the bucket if we looked at the vtuber scene as a whole, but what makes this pretty sour to me is that she's face of pixellink's self-implosion and received a lot of support for it. So far her "tards" have contributed:

• An entire vtuber model (I can't find a way to view the cost but I assume thousands)
• $649 3DIO
• $549 metaquest VR headset
• ~$500 towards an ongoing asset goal of around $1000
• $150 Elgato Stream Deck
• Plus tons of small gifts here

Am I crazy in thinking a community willing to drop 2k at a moment's notice would constitute a "fun, loving, teasing audience"? I did a bit of digging just to see if there was anything that would warrant this remark.

Spoiler: Research spoilered for brevity

Now some of those throne purchases were by a small handful of whales that could have been in her discord, but the vtuber model had 30 independent contributors listed so there's a good chance the pool of her supporters is outside of it, which gives her less cause to lash at her own. Maybe she's just referring to just a few schizos in her community, right? She has recently mentioned having to dish out bans in a recent YT post, maybe we're lacking some context? But the wording of her last two comments seem to be all-encompassing of her fanbase, I don't know how else you could interpret it.

She IS a loli which can attract the worst kind of assholes, so I did some due diligence and checked a handful of her popular streams and the most recent one (I ignored ASMR because you know exactly what sort of tourists that brings), clicked through the timeline and read snippets of her chat and went through the comments. The result? Very tame. A couple of unfunny jokes, some sensible backseating, decent comments, she replies every so often too. I don't even think I saw single crying emoji, so it's not like she was surrounded by uohfags like Yuko was, so the only conclusion I can come to is she is thoughtlessly hyperbolic and this screenshot captured her at the worst time, or she's disappointingly twofaced. Shame since I thought the pixellink girls were mostly well-regarded.

This goes for many vtubers: if there was something that genuinely bothers you in your community, it won't go away unless you address it. Indulging in a bitchfest behind the scenes is unhealthy and awful treatment of fans. Riding the storm just because you're afraid to lose supporters is no way to live, at that point just suck silicone ears on Fansly for the bigger profit margin. Look at how Kiara tardwrangled bottom left memes; an excessive emotional outburst but very clear and overnight it was dropped by her fanbase. A good community will understand reasonable boundaries, even if they're having fun. A good fan wants to have fun with you, not at your expense.

In short: there's little evidence that her community is full of tards and this comes off as incredibly ungrateful.

The saddest part is that it's completely uncalled for too because the few yaps I listened to mostly consisted of normal day-to-day stuff, nostalgia and games, nothing off-color that would cause her to cultivate a bad audience or inflict existential shame once the camera is off, her gameplay commentary was clean too. I actually left with a better impression than I had going in. This leak is really confusing. Neither side seems bad here. Maybe I have staggeringly bad sample selection and some Chio regulars can confirm this behavior lines up or is justified?

Just be wary giving her something akin to Doki status if she does strike out from Pixel, if it's not dead by the end of Feb.

A thing I haven't seen mentioned is that these leaks come from Fuyo Cloverfield's server, so it's one thing to complain about part of your fanbase with your inner circle (though I'm not a fan of enabling these 2-tier fanbases outside Youtube membership content), and another one to seemingly be bitching about your fans to an external group of people. The screenshots seem to be leaving a lot of context out to make it look worse than it is, but the optics are fucking terrible anyways.

 

[God's Saddest Tattletail]

A thing I haven't seen mentioned is that these leaks come from Fuyo Cloverfield's server, so it's one thing to complain about part of your fanbase with your inner circle of fans (though I'm not a fan of enabling these 2-tier fanbases outside Youtube memberships), and another one to seemingly be bitching about your fans to an external group of people. The screenshots seem to be leaving a lot of context out to make it look worse than it is, but the optics are fucking terrible anyways.

Don't think anyone's posted it here yet, but another screenshot leak has come out:



Missing context just like the rest of the leaks of course, but continuing the trend of really bad optics.

 

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Don't think anyone's posted it here yet, but another screenshot leak has come out:

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Missing context just like the rest of the leaks of course, but continuing the trend of really bad optics.

When will they learn that every discord server has multiple people with messageloggers. Deleting your messages doesn't do shit retards.

 

[Hff201]

As for people complaining about vtubers being normal people, its time to grow up and realize that vtubing is not as niche as it was a few years ago. The point has been crossed where a lot of vtubers are normal streamers behind a model and they are going to do all the normal streamer things like talk about their life. People forget that you dont have to like every single vtuber to still be a vtuber fan.

I could live and let live if they were just doing their own thing, but that's not what's happening. They're not content to just find their own audience in the space, they have to tear apart everything that came before them for a cheap virtue-signal. They barely know what "idol culture" is, but if you like it you're an insecure unicorn chud; their approach to vtubing where they tell you about a time they got rawdogged every stream is clearly "healthier".

They prioritise preaching the social values their circle have to have over providing entertainment, and both intentionally and unapologetically do anything to push pre-existing fans out. The new Twitch thot vtubers are responsible for the majority of unpleasantness in the wider community, and they're doing it on purpose - it's not the Hololive girls seething about ICE, writing engagement-bait "trans rights!" posts, or making false sexual abuse accusations; it's the modern tourists with "VTuber vs. IRL" tweets pinned on their profiles.

You can't even just ignore them and stick to the vtubers you like either, because they have connections who can pull the strings in their favour, so you're going to be hearing what they have to say and feeling the effects of their influence no matter what you do. They are to vtubing what Anita Sarkeesian was to gaming.

Don't think anyone's posted it here yet, but another screenshot leak has come out:

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Missing context just like the rest of the leaks of course, but continuing the trend of really bad optics.

I've seen socially unaware autists like that shit up chats for other people before so I get the frustration about not being able to ban him, but the damning part here is that there's screenshot evidence of her directly namedropping Chio as herself, which isn't smart. Everyone else just winks and nudges in these instances for a reason; she's just killed off any plausible deniability that could have gotten her out of trouble.

 

[Tamokii]

I've seen socially unaware autists like that shit up chats for other people before so I get the frustration about not being able to ban him, but the damning part here is that there's screenshot evidence of her directly namedropping Chio as herself, which isn't smart. Everyone else just winks and nudges in these instances for a reason; she's just killed off any plausible deniability that could have gotten her out of trouble.

It feels like these might be fake. Have you confirmed or do we have a source to verify it all? It isn't hard to change your name and picture in discord then do this.

 

[CalciumAnimal]

Excuse me but what.

Ever wonder why no ballerina has JCups? it's a geisha type thing too from my understanding "look like this or fuck off" my favorite.

XIV is 14
XVI is 16
SEAchama...

Also the worst thing he ever did was his Monster Hunter guides.

At least those were still trying to be memes and thus any retard who took them as legit advice deserved to get shit on by Khezu from my understanding his FF14 vids are worse and he was mocked for them too don't even play the game and i saw people trying to defend his "guide" from people whoeither knew what they were talking about or were autistic enough couldn't tell the difference (i think it was the ninja one specifically?)

Solely for the reason of not playing any FF past 7

you can't call yourself a final fantasy fan unless you experience Kitase's endless corridor personally.

 

[NeneLOVE]

I could live and let live if they were just doing their own thing, but that's not what's happening. They're not content to just find their own audience in the space, they have to tear apart everything that came before them for a cheap virtue-signal. They barely know what "idol culture" is, but if you like it you're an insecure unicorn chud; their approach to vtubing where they tell you about a time they got rawdogged every stream is clearly "healthier".

They prioritise preaching the social values their circle have to have over providing entertainment, and both intentionally and unapologetically do anything to push pre-existing fans out. The new Twitch thot vtubers are responsible for the majority of unpleasantness in the wider community, and they're doing it on purpose - it's not the Hololive girls seething about ICE, writing engagement-bait "trans rights!" posts, or making false sexual abuse accusations; it's the modern tourists with "VTuber vs. IRL" tweets pinned on their profiles.

You can't even just ignore them and stick to the vtubers you like either, because they have connections who can pull the strings in their favour, so you're going to be hearing what they have to say and feeling the effects of their influence no matter what you do. They are to vtubing what Anita Sarkeesian was to gaming.

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I've seen socially unaware autists like that shit up chats for other people before so I get the frustration about not being able to ban him, but the damning part here is that there's screenshot evidence of her directly namedropping Chio as herself, which isn't smart. Everyone else just winks and nudges in these instances for a reason; she's just killed off any plausible deniability that could have gotten her out of trouble.

I trust that at least one vestige of old vtubing tradition will survive in JP whatever happens. Or when Holo is dead and gone somebody will strive to relive the legend.

 

[Takodachi]

You would too Jelly if you were hooked.

She would if she had any eggs left.

 

[La+ de Central Norte]

I could live and let live if they were just doing their own thing, but that's not what's happening. They're not content to just find their own audience in the space, they have to tear apart everything that came before them for a cheap virtue-signal. They barely know what "idol culture" is, but if you like it you're an insecure unicorn chud; their approach to vtubing where they tell you about a time they got rawdogged every stream is clearly "healthier".

They prioritise preaching the social values their circle have to have over providing entertainment, and both intentionally and unapologetically do anything to push pre-existing fans out. The new Twitch thot vtubers are responsible for the majority of unpleasantness in the wider community, and they're doing it on purpose - it's not the Hololive girls seething about ICE, writing engagement-bait "trans rights!" posts, or making false sexual abuse accusations; it's the modern tourists with "VTuber vs. IRL" tweets pinned on their profiles.

You can't even just ignore them and stick to the vtubers you like either, because they have connections who can pull the strings in their favour, so you're going to be hearing what they have to say and feeling the effects of their influence no matter what you do. They are to vtubing what Anita Sarkeesian was to gaming.

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I've seen socially unaware autists like that shit up chats for other people before so I get the frustration about not being able to ban him, but the damning part here is that there's screenshot evidence of her directly namedropping Chio as herself, which isn't smart. Everyone else just winks and nudges in these instances for a reason; she's just killed off any plausible deniability that could have gotten her out of trouble.

I still hold on the opinion this is what should be done

We should stop fighting among vtuber fans brothers and gatekeep normies harder together

 

[Calamity]

I trust that at least one vestige of old vtubing tradition will survive in JP whatever happens. Or when Holo is dead and gone somebody will strive to relive the legend.

That was kinda my point. Most new vtubers dont know or care about idol culture and thats fine. It has its place in vtubing and wont die out. People want to shout about whores all day and forget that one of the holo JP members is probably the biggest whore in the space on their PL.

 

[MerelyTourist]

I trust that at least one vestige of old vtubing tradition will survive in JP whatever happens. Or when Holo is dead and gone somebody will strive to relive the legend.

Fishman doing exactly that.

 

[Takodachi]

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I will never understand the female gooner mindset and I pray to god I never will because, why the hell would you ever want your fictional crush to remind you it's that time of the month?

And then this same kind of women will judge men for watching GFE vtubers to feel an ounce of affection.

 

[Abomination]

That was kinda my point. Most new vtubers dont know or care about idol culture and thats fine. It has its place in vtubing and wont die out. People want to shout about whores all day and forget that one of the holo JP members is probably the biggest whore in the space on their PL.

on their PL.

 

[Bug Eater]

Doki your holiday gains...
She's supposed to be casting some mystery Minecraft tournament with Minto in a couple of hours.