Notes from the Staff RE: "L Threads"

[bothyourhouses]

think closing the Niji L thread would lead to less discussion of things like Sister Claire's announcement overall, rather than simply moving that discussion.

Probably true in the short term, but in the long term you would have more chance to pick up new fans if Niji discussion was in general like everyone else. Proctor has consistently resisted per-corp threads for general discussion and I think he's right.
(I'm kind of still in favour of TND at this point but it's not like I think rehabilitation is impossible. I think it makes sense to say Niji streams/events should take their chances on the main thread like any other corp or indie)

 

[El Rrata]

I think my only concern over the "L" threads closing would be the flooding of the main thread with those posts (like with the Clara sperg posts) we should probably give "L" a clear definition and enforce it on the dedicated "L" thread so those posts remain there but the random hate posts moved or deleted.
an example of a proper "L" would be Clara sperging on main (and not so much on her RM as that was posted on the politisperg thread,) another one being the YAB thing with Niji, which leads into the next point being when an "L" becomes too big to the point were it will need it's dedicated thread to document the whole deal, which I don't know when they would need a dedicated thread since the YAB thing died too fast to say it needs it's own thread as not much else was dealt with in a public space from the Niji side AFAIK, and so far the only one that could lead to something big is the Aster thing but again not much else is being discussed about it by any of the involved parties.

The issue is the reluctance to make containment threads when something will obviously end up with a bunch of discussion around it, even if it will eventually dry up. Just make the threads. Why be so damn stingy over it? What arbitrary system decides what is worth a thread or not?

Meta discussions should be left in general, as that's literally its point. The entirety of the "Holo L" thread could have been part of the Fauna thread, as it was all related to her graduation. We shit on vtubers all the time in general, we can shit on the few Nijisanji livers that do stupid shit in general if they do something dumb enough. I feel like needing people to edit OPs is a problem entirely because of ever changing general threads. A thread about a single topic won't need to be updated that often.

I also genuinely do not understand why this is suddenly a moderation problem. Actual moderation on the site, beyond when we get raids from offsite retards or the random ESL moron, seems to be exceedingly rare when it comes to discussion between actual users of the site. People on this site have no problem berating someone and arguing with them when they are obviously full of shit. That has always been the case.

A great example is in the Niji L thread with the user @BlacklistedAloupeep. They are clearly a retarded, /vt/ seamonkey and even people that don't like Niji in that thread will call him out for peddling stupid shit.

I feel like we hear "we are gonna need x when the forum gets bigger" every couple months, but that has yet to be proven to be the case for going on three years. We don't need arbitrators injecting biases into and controlling users in threads.

As always, it feels like this site has an identity crisis between what jannies want and what the users actually care about. You all seem to think it needs to have some worth beyond being a center of discussion when being exactly that is what has gotten this place to grow to where it is.

 

[BlueSharkTV]

The issue is the reluctance to make containment threads when something will obviously end up with a bunch of discussion around it, even if it will eventually dry up. Just make the threads. Why be so damn stingy over it? What arbitrary system decides what is worth a thread or not?

I think the main issue with that is clutter, if you go to the farms there were some threads that people genuinely forgot existed due to discussion topics related to the thread no longer being relevant or the person it was made after dying, so it devolved into random users using it for politisperging and a genuine threat of glowposting, there could at any given moment be an issue with mods not even knowing said thread exists.
and the issue we had before with too many pages could also arise were users would go back to a really old post and edit some weird shit to it (in this case adding more posts to a forgotten thread) not to mention there may be an issue with searching for a thread that at one point could become too hard due to having to sift through that many posts with similar titles because everything has a thread.
I do think there's a need for some topics to get their own thread but having every minor happening being made into a thread seems a little unnecessary.

 

[NeneLOVE]

I feel like we hear "we are gonna need x when the forum gets bigger" every couple months, but that has yet to be proven to be the case for going on three years. We don't need arbitrators injecting biases into and controlling users in threads.

This. I have been watching the average number of users online and for the last year and a half it really has not changed except when there is a drama storm. Registered users stays between 40 and 80 and visitors is usually around 100 to 200, it hasn't grown at all and tbh registered users has slightly shrunk if anything.

 

[Takodachi]

Having local mods seems a bit pointless, considering how small the forum is and everything

 

[Egg the Boiled]

I think the main issue with that is clutter, if you go to the farms there were some threads that people genuinely forgot existed due to discussion topics related to the thread no longer being relevant or the person it was made after dying, so it devolved into random users using it for politisperging and a genuine threat of glowposting, there could at any given moment be an issue with mods not even knowing said thread exists.

It'd be better to have some threads that people can easily direct people to, even if they end up being slightly cluttered. Rather then users forgetting an event happened so they keep bringing it up in general or L threads every three months. And we already have politisperging. What would be the difference?

 

[Faceless Waifu]

I'm agreeing with the idea of locking down the L thread as well. I took the word of Proctor O'Malley and also Nenelove over the fact that the Niji L thread has pretty much caused the scant remaining Nijifans to hide out there because it's better to shit on them to keep up appearances rather than show a shred of 'like' toward anything Niji and get migo'd or branded as nijisisters. Not to mention that like Nenelove pointed out, the Niji L thread existence also caused the forum people to shift into this mindset (at least in my own opinion) of well, posting Niji related stuff in the thread is the norm instead of the general.

I get it, Nijisanji is just as hazardous as chernobyl's rads, but isn't it unfair to keep the forum to just be talking about anything but Niji and shunt it off to some locked corner? Yes, our oirish overlord hate corpo as much as he hate living in UK, but still. There are other talents within that shitstain crap that honestly doesn't need to be lumped by it, but shoving it in the corner won't help it one bit, mo matter how you pray to whatever god you believe so this talent can leave the shit just so you can finallytalk about them in General thread without having the "lmao nijisister" stigma.

Pointless.

Anyway, my point is:
- Lock the L thread, it has done its job for better or worse. Don't delete it, since despite the talk and timeloop there are past stuff that can still be used as archives or whatever.
- Let the forums to start utilizing event subforum to actually make thread(s) related to the event instead of shoving it to some "L thread".
- If the jannies and our paddy overlord here still wants the L thread to exist, instead of hiring local smaller jannies, just pin-point trustworthy people in the thread to be able to do stuff like threadmarkings.
It's my two cents on the matter.

 

[Last Of The Mohicans]

L threads are stupid:
* The Niji L thread was born out of a SERIES of events that were all intertwined and were to have ramifications across the whole of the company. Necessitating a single point of collection.
* The Holo L thread was because 3 graduations happened kinda close together and "well...we have an L thread for Niji...why not?"
* The Phase L thread was because Clara made a lefty tweet and "well...we have other corpo L threads..."

Megathread culture is fucking stupid. Any justification of a megathread to collate all the events related to a company is actually not, it's justification that a forum subsection should be created with multiple threads.

An event happens, make an event thread.

 

[El Rrata]

I think the main issue with that is clutter, if you go to the farms there were some threads that people genuinely forgot existed due to discussion topics related to the thread no longer being relevant or the person it was made after dying, so it devolved into random users using it for politisperging and a genuine threat of glowposting, there could at any given moment be an issue with mods not even knowing said thread exists.
and the issue we had before with too many pages could also arise were users would go back to a really old post and edit some weird shit to it (in this case adding more posts to a forgotten thread) not to mention there may be an issue with searching for a thread that at one point could become too hard due to having to sift through that many posts with similar titles because everything has a thread.
I do think there's a need for some topics to get their own thread but having every minor happening being made into a thread seems a little unnecessary.

Not saying every little thing. But it is either clutter in here or clutter in general. At least referencing a past thing would be easier to see when it has a topic title you can search for. Being lost in the banals of general can make some shit impossible to find.

tbh registered users has slightly shrunk if anything.

I was wondering about this. It did seem to me like members online at any given time was a lot lower than it used to be

 

[Faceless Waifu]

I was wondering about this. It did seem to me like members online at any given time was a lot lower than it used to be

This is just my own theory, but I believed that the discord spats that happened a while back (it keeps coming back to the discord, of course) involving the matter of Purrson has caused several of the members to swore off the Paddy McZakharov, which includes the forum altogether..

This is just speculation, however. There might be those that don't keep up with the forum as much as they used to, or they switched to different place altogether to talk shit about everyone's oshii. Who knows, really.

 

[agility_]

These people tend to post in Niji L because dealing with people in the general thread on Niji topics is not worth the trouble, but they're also the ones who actually know what the fuck they're talking about. In General all you're going to get is surface level impressions and bait-posting..

Is it really that terrible to put up with 4, maybe 5 dedicated holodrones.
I mean at most all I get the rare instances I post about, oh hell, Derem Kado of nijiID (who had a horrible 2024 for health reasons) or even the Sister Claire announcement, there'll be a few migos but I don't think it's too bad.
If anything, not posting nijisanji on the main thread just cements the fact that "only phase phriends and holoEOPs can post here, pal", which isn't true at all.
As for the Clara Politisperging posts, they ended up amounting to less than 4 pages of actual information, which is a hell of a lot less than the amount of guraposting in the homeland or the play-by-play that would take place whenever they would occur. And that is a non-issue to us because we have a dedicated liveposting thread.

 

[Saturnus]

it's justification that a forum subsection should be created with multiple threads.

This was basically my middle-of-the-road suggestion earlier. All you'd really need to do for the Niji Ls thread is to essentially "cut the meat from the fat". Cut out noteworthy happenings out of the thread (the meat) and leave the fat (the random bits of discussion and sperging) either in that thread or moved into their proper threads (ie; I think anything related to Binted in there can be moved into the rec room's twitter spergs thread. The Pikamee graduation being randomly brought up yesterday and Sister Claire's hiatus announcement should be in the general thread).

 

[Last Of The Mohicans]

Being lost in the banals of general can make some shit impossible to find.

Megathread culture is fucking stupid.

 

[The Proctor]

People on this site have no problem berating someone and arguing with them when they are obviously full of shit. That has always been the case.

They should be reporting these people for staff to deal with. Someone who is obviously full of shit should be removed from the forum, not allowed to spew nonsense and rrats for people to argue with. It is not your job to argue with these people, and it is cringeworthy and embarrassing when people do that instead of ignoring the bait.

This is just my own theory, but I believed that the discord spats that happened a while back (it keeps coming back to the discord, of course) involving the matter of Purrson has caused several of the members to swore off the Paddy McZakharov, which includes the forum altogether..

This is just speculation, however. There might be those that don't keep up with the forum as much as they used to, or they switched to different place altogether to talk shit about everyone's oshii. Who knows, really.

Forum user statistics have been steady for the last year. There is an enormous jump in activity whenever a major event occurs, followed by periods of much lower activity. A great deal of people only post when something major is going on, and otherwise stay quiet. Posts per day are the same; we averaged 495 a day at the start of 2024 and currently average 510.

Megathread culture is fucking stupid. Any justification of a megathread to collate all the events related to a company is actually not, it's justification that a forum subsection should be created with multiple threads.

I'm not entirely sure what you are suggesting here. Do you mean a subsection on each company that lets users create new threads about the events that happen within them?

 

[NeneLOVE]

This is just my own theory, but I believed that the discord spats that happened a while back (it keeps coming back to the discord, of course) involving the matter of Purrson has caused several of the members to swore off the Paddy McZakharov, which includes the forum altogether..

This is just speculation, however. There might be those that don't keep up with the forum as much as they used to, or they switched to different place altogether to talk shit about everyone's oshii. Who knows, really.

A lot of the people who "left" either had very low activity since before the dramas or were lurkers

People come and go and that's been the constant since the farms, some people like fuckingyts and GSM have stopped posting as much and others like punished anime discusser have come back from the grave.

 

[Migoed Helmet]

Probably true in the short term, but in the long term you would have more chance to pick up new fans if Niji discussion was in general like everyone else. Proctor has consistently resisted per-corp threads for general discussion and I think he's right.
(I'm kind of still in favour of TND at this point but it's not like I think rehabilitation is impossible. I think it makes sense to say Niji streams/events should take their chances on the main thread like any other corp or indie)

Are people actually posting here because they want to pick up fans? Are people posting Holo clips in general because they want more fans for Marine, Pekora and Subaru, or are they trying to converse about something they found entertaining?

Like, I don't know how this somehow turned into "Nijifans are posting streams in the L thread," there hasn't been anything resembling that in there. The only person who posts anything like that for Niji on the site at all is Vsoyboy, and he does it in the general thread as far as I'm aware. The issue I was trying to get at is that most people with Niji knowledge don't seem to want to discuss Niji-related issues in general, even when the opportunity has cropped up (Sister Claire's stream was posted there, for example).

Is it really that terrible to put up with 4, maybe 5 dedicated holodrones.
I mean at most all I get the rare instances I post about, oh hell, Derem Kado of nijiID (who had a horrible 2024 for health reasons) or even the Sister Claire announcement, there'll be a few migos but I don't think it's too bad.
If anything, not posting nijisanji on the main thread just cements the fact that "only phase phriends and holoEOPs can post here, pal", which isn't true at all.
As for the Clara Politisperging posts, they ended up amounting to less than 4 pages of actual information, which is a hell of a lot less than the amount of guraposting in the homeland or the play-by-play that would take place whenever they would occur. And that is a non-issue to us because we have a dedicated liveposting thread.

I think it's more that every single thing you say on the subject gets over-interpreted and you have to constantly explain shit that people in the Niji thread know about already. It's annoying to do that every time you post something in general anyways (how many times has someone freaked out because they didn't know the name of Moona's roommate account, for example) but it's compounded for everything Niji-related.

It's just a pain, and while I don't care myself because I'm a retard and arguing with people on the internet is fun, I can see why some posters wouldn't want to deal with it.


And for the record, I agree that the Phase L thread was unnecessary, and IMO was created solely because said 4 Holodrones were ass-mad that a Holo L thread was created at all (which also seems to be a continuing theme in this thread as well). We're 100% on the same page on that particular aberration.

 

[agility_]

I think it's more that every single thing you say on the subject gets over-interpreted and you have to constantly explain shit that people in the Niji thread know about already. It's annoying to do that every time you post something in general anyways (how many times has someone freaked out because they didn't know the name of Moona's roommate account, for example) but it's compounded for everything Niji-related.

How about this: you keep an FAQ on current happenings for nijisanji, thus you can just point at it the next time a troll sockpuppet or a baitpost comes up. This way you keep everyone informed and don't have to explain stuff, at the same time.
As for alt-names or PLs, we have both a rebirth thread and a not-thread to keep info organized (though it's been a while since I've used them tbh)

 

[El Rrata]

And for the record, I agree that the Phase L thread was unnecessary, and IMO was created solely because said 4 Holodrones were ass-mad that a Holo L thread was created at all (which also seems to be a continuing theme in this thread as well). We're 100% on the same page on that particular aberration.

For the record, that whole thing was because I didn't want to have to suffer through all the culture-war autists whining and dooming over the stupid bitch having a melty. I didn't suggest an L thread for them, just containment for that faggotry. Someone else suggested an L thread. I just edged them on because I thought it was funny as fuck (and it was) and people get mind-broken over getting Migos for some reason.

I don't give a shit about the dead holo L thread. I already didn't think there was a purpose for the Niji L thread before that thread's existence, as I literally said it should be locked like hours before more shit dropped on Aster.

So yeah.

 

[NeneLOVE]

And for the record, I agree that the Phase L thread was unnecessary, and IMO was created solely because said 4 Holodrones were ass-mad that a Holo L thread was created at all (which also seems to be a continuing theme in this thread as well). We're 100% on the same page on that particular aberration.

The Nijikek will never not cry about the ebil HOLODRONES harassing his asshole.

Honestly close NijiLs and give the vtuber jews their own holy land thread at this point. @Bay Lurker are you proud of the fact that your eternal mission to migo all Niji posts has terrorized an entire race? You monster!

 

[Migoed Helmet]

For the record, that whole thing was because I didn't want to have to suffer through all the culture-war autists whining and dooming over the stupid bitch having a melty. I didn't suggest an L thread for them, just containment for that faggotry. Someone else suggested an L thread. I just edged them on because I thought it was funny as fuck (and it was) and people get mind-broken over getting Migos for some reason.

I don't give a shit about the dead holo L thread. I already didn't think there was a purpose for the Niji L thread before that thread's existence, as I literally said it should be locked like hours before more shit dropped on Aster.

So yeah.

You're my favorite Holodrone on the Citadel bb, @NeneHATE just hasn't been the same since he got blacked