Notes from the Staff RE: "L Threads"

[bothyourhouses]

think closing the Niji L thread would lead to less discussion of things like Sister Claire's announcement overall, rather than simply moving that discussion.

Probably true in the short term, but in the long term you would have more chance to pick up new fans if Niji discussion was in general like everyone else. Proctor has consistently resisted per-corp threads for general discussion and I think he's right.
(I'm kind of still in favour of TND at this point but it's not like I think rehabilitation is impossible. I think it makes sense to say Niji streams/events should take their chances on the main thread like any other corp or indie)

 

[El Rrata]

I think my only concern over the "L" threads closing would be the flooding of the main thread with those posts (like with the Clara sperg posts) we should probably give "L" a clear definition and enforce it on the dedicated "L" thread so those posts remain there but the random hate posts moved or deleted.
an example of a proper "L" would be Clara sperging on main (and not so much on her RM as that was posted on the politisperg thread,) another one being the YAB thing with Niji, which leads into the next point being when an "L" becomes too big to the point were it will need it's dedicated thread to document the whole deal, which I don't know when they would need a dedicated thread since the YAB thing died too fast to say it needs it's own thread as not much else was dealt with in a public space from the Niji side AFAIK, and so far the only one that could lead to something big is the Aster thing but again not much else is being discussed about it by any of the involved parties.

The issue is the reluctance to make containment threads when something will obviously end up with a bunch of discussion around it, even if it will eventually dry up. Just make the threads. Why be so damn stingy over it? What arbitrary system decides what is worth a thread or not?

Meta discussions should be left in general, as that's literally its point. The entirety of the "Holo L" thread could have been part of the Fauna thread, as it was all related to her graduation. We shit on vtubers all the time in general, we can shit on the few Nijisanji livers that do stupid shit in general if they do something dumb enough. I feel like needing people to edit OPs is a problem entirely because of ever changing general threads. A thread about a single topic won't need to be updated that often.

I also genuinely do not understand why this is suddenly a moderation problem. Actual moderation on the site, beyond when we get raids from offsite retards or the random ESL moron, seems to be exceedingly rare when it comes to discussion between actual users of the site. People on this site have no problem berating someone and arguing with them when they are obviously full of shit. That has always been the case.

A great example is in the Niji L thread with the user @BlacklistedAloupeep. They are clearly a retarded, /vt/ seamonkey and even people that don't like Niji in that thread will call him out for peddling stupid shit.

I feel like we hear "we are gonna need x when the forum gets bigger" every couple months, but that has yet to be proven to be the case for going on three years. We don't need arbitrators injecting biases into and controlling users in threads.

As always, it feels like this site has an identity crisis between what jannies want and what the users actually care about. You all seem to think it needs to have some worth beyond being a center of discussion when being exactly that is what has gotten this place to grow to where it is.

 

[BlueSharkTV]

The issue is the reluctance to make containment threads when something will obviously end up with a bunch of discussion around it, even if it will eventually dry up. Just make the threads. Why be so damn stingy over it? What arbitrary system decides what is worth a thread or not?

I think the main issue with that is clutter, if you go to the farms there were some threads that people genuinely forgot existed due to discussion topics related to the thread no longer being relevant or the person it was made after dying, so it devolved into random users using it for politisperging and a genuine threat of glowposting, there could at any given moment be an issue with mods not even knowing said thread exists.
and the issue we had before with too many pages could also arise were users would go back to a really old post and edit some weird shit to it (in this case adding more posts to a forgotten thread) not to mention there may be an issue with searching for a thread that at one point could become too hard due to having to sift through that many posts with similar titles because everything has a thread.
I do think there's a need for some topics to get their own thread but having every minor happening being made into a thread seems a little unnecessary.

 

[NeneHATE]

I feel like we hear "we are gonna need x when the forum gets bigger" every couple months, but that has yet to be proven to be the case for going on three years. We don't need arbitrators injecting biases into and controlling users in threads.

This. I have been watching the average number of users online and for the last year and a half it really has not changed except when there is a drama storm. Registered users stays between 40 and 80 and visitors is usually around 100 to 200, it hasn't grown at all and tbh registered users has slightly shrunk if anything.

 

[Takodachi]

Having local mods seems a bit pointless, considering how small the forum is and everything

 

[Egg the Boiled]

I think the main issue with that is clutter, if you go to the farms there were some threads that people genuinely forgot existed due to discussion topics related to the thread no longer being relevant or the person it was made after dying, so it devolved into random users using it for politisperging and a genuine threat of glowposting, there could at any given moment be an issue with mods not even knowing said thread exists.

It'd be better to have some threads that people can easily direct people to, even if they end up being slightly cluttered. Rather then users forgetting an event happened so they keep bringing it up in general or L threads every three months. And we already have politisperging. What would be the difference?

 

[Faceless Waifu]

I'm agreeing with the idea of locking down the L thread as well. I took the word of Proctor O'Malley and also Nenelove over the fact that the Niji L thread has pretty much caused the scant remaining Nijifans to hide out there because it's better to shit on them to keep up appearances rather than show a shred of 'like' toward anything Niji and get migo'd or branded as nijisisters. Not to mention that like Nenelove pointed out, the Niji L thread existence also caused the forum people to shift into this mindset (at least in my own opinion) of well, posting Niji related stuff in the thread is the norm instead of the general.

I get it, Nijisanji is just as hazardous as chernobyl's rads, but isn't it unfair to keep the forum to just be talking about anything but Niji and shunt it off to some locked corner? Yes, our oirish overlord hate corpo as much as he hate living in UK, but still. There are other talents within that shitstain crap that honestly doesn't need to be lumped by it, but shoving it in the corner won't help it one bit, mo matter how you pray to whatever god you believe so this talent can leave the shit just so you can finallytalk about them in General thread without having the "lmao nijisister" stigma.

Pointless.

Anyway, my point is:
- Lock the L thread, it has done its job for better or worse. Don't delete it, since despite the talk and timeloop there are past stuff that can still be used as archives or whatever.
- Let the forums to start utilizing event subforum to actually make thread(s) related to the event instead of shoving it to some "L thread".
- If the jannies and our paddy overlord here still wants the L thread to exist, instead of hiring local smaller jannies, just pin-point trustworthy people in the thread to be able to do stuff like threadmarkings.
It's my two cents on the matter.

 

[Last Of The Mohicans]

L threads are stupid:
* The Niji L thread was born out of a SERIES of events that were all intertwined and were to have ramifications across the whole of the company. Necessitating a single point of collection.
* The Holo L thread was because 3 graduations happened kinda close together and "well...we have an L thread for Niji...why not?"
* The Phase L thread was because Clara made a lefty tweet and "well...we have other corpo L threads..."

Megathread culture is fucking stupid. Any justification of a megathread to collate all the events related to a company is actually not, it's justification that a forum subsection should be created with multiple threads.

An event happens, make an event thread.

 

[El Rrata]

I think the main issue with that is clutter, if you go to the farms there were some threads that people genuinely forgot existed due to discussion topics related to the thread no longer being relevant or the person it was made after dying, so it devolved into random users using it for politisperging and a genuine threat of glowposting, there could at any given moment be an issue with mods not even knowing said thread exists.
and the issue we had before with too many pages could also arise were users would go back to a really old post and edit some weird shit to it (in this case adding more posts to a forgotten thread) not to mention there may be an issue with searching for a thread that at one point could become too hard due to having to sift through that many posts with similar titles because everything has a thread.
I do think there's a need for some topics to get their own thread but having every minor happening being made into a thread seems a little unnecessary.

Not saying every little thing. But it is either clutter in here or clutter in general. At least referencing a past thing would be easier to see when it has a topic title you can search for. Being lost in the banals of general can make some shit impossible to find.

tbh registered users has slightly shrunk if anything.

I was wondering about this. It did seem to me like members online at any given time was a lot lower than it used to be

 

[Faceless Waifu]

I was wondering about this. It did seem to me like members online at any given time was a lot lower than it used to be

This is just my own theory, but I believed that the discord spats that happened a while back (it keeps coming back to the discord, of course) involving the matter of Purrson has caused several of the members to swore off the Paddy McZakharov, which includes the forum altogether..

This is just speculation, however. There might be those that don't keep up with the forum as much as they used to, or they switched to different place altogether to talk shit about everyone's oshii. Who knows, really.

 

[agility_]

These people tend to post in Niji L because dealing with people in the general thread on Niji topics is not worth the trouble, but they're also the ones who actually know what the fuck they're talking about. In General all you're going to get is surface level impressions and bait-posting..

Is it really that terrible to put up with 4, maybe 5 dedicated holodrones.
I mean at most all I get the rare instances I post about, oh hell, Derem Kado of nijiID (who had a horrible 2024 for health reasons) or even the Sister Claire announcement, there'll be a few migos but I don't think it's too bad.
If anything, not posting nijisanji on the main thread just cements the fact that "only phase phriends and holoEOPs can post here, pal", which isn't true at all.
As for the Clara Politisperging posts, they ended up amounting to less than 4 pages of actual information, which is a hell of a lot less than the amount of guraposting in the homeland or the play-by-play that would take place whenever they would occur. And that is a non-issue to us because we have a dedicated liveposting thread.