VT-Rainbow Disintegration Thread [Now the Marina Disintegration Thread]

[Ｍｕｒｒａｙしないで]

Holy crap, are you Megumi Kuragiri?

Huh, I guess you are (specifically 16:46). Welcome to the boards. Thanks for sharing your stories. (Still hoping for a bit more evidence though.)

 

[naganon]

Huh, I guess you are (specifically 16:46). Welcome to the boards. Thanks for sharing your stories. (Still hoping for a bit more evidence though.)

TVA is growing so fast. That's 2 vtubers so far in a matter of days.

 

[reinigen]

Back when I was new to VTubing, I went by Nova, and I was an event hoster IRL. So, after helping run the first VTuber prom event ( It was a fucking shitshow, but I'm not gonna get into it -- basically had to do all of the work with the help of one other while the main host just bragged about it being his event -- whatever ), I met a lot of cool creators in the space at the time.

The Afterglow started when a fairly known creator made a Tweet jokingly saying how they wish someone would host a party during COVID since everyone was cooped up inside. I commented, having experience with doing this already, about hosting such an event. It was so successful ( over 80 people RSVP'd ), I decided to make "The Afterglow" an official event that I would host once a month on the last Saturday of the month at the same time.

Real quick, to clarify, these events were hosted in VRChat. I networked with a group of well known creators in VRChat to set up live DJ sets and coordinate with world creators to customize these events for my parties. Like, I'd go to meetings about the future of VR n' shit and help with volunteering at virtual events to help get my group extra assistance if we needed it. Like, connections to DJs or whatever I needed or programs to assist with live feedback into a world.

I was very strict about my parties being for everyone regardless of size. Any VTuber, or someone who was a creator for VTubers ( like, model mamas n' whatnot ), was allowed. Although, I'd say about half or more of the attendees were fairly sizable creators.
Now that that's established, some time went by with minimal problems. The introduction to Marina was when one of my friends who used to be on the staff team asked if their friend could join my staff to host a NSFW after-event at my parties. I was pretty fucking against this and told her no. And, it turns out that Marina had decided that since I said no, she would host her own parties altogether. It wasn't a problem for awhile, but I did notice Marina getting in and schmoozing with people for their Discord information. I remember talking to one of my good friends who was up-and-coming at the time and Marina barged in, interrupting our conversation, just to get their Discord details and then leave after complimenting something that was popping off of theirs.

I also remember one of the only times I was critiqued negatively was by her because I did a big "instanced event" ( multiple 80 people servers for a party ), and Marina was mad that she didnt get to be in a world with a REALLY big creator even though I put her with every one of her friends that she put on her RSVP form. Like, it was clear she just wanted to clout chase.

Eventually, she did finally announce her first party. Except, it was being labeled as a "VIP" experience party and hosted on the same DAY and TIME as mine. She had a whole ass month, picking any day, and she chose the day that mine was always hosted.

I couldn't just reschedule because I put a lot of work into my parties. I had DJ's scheduled, worlds prepped for the night, and volunteers to help me with the talent show portion in the middle of my parties which was just a fun side event for drunk VTubers to sing or tell jokes at and win awards.

So, all of my party goers who she had messaged behind the scenes, stopped coming to mine to go to hers. I went from consistently getting over 80 people coming to my events ( with a waitlist to get in ), to 9 people.

I can only assume that people liked hers over mine because she had been using her "charisma" to climb as a streamer and was starting to average over 100 around this time. Befriending other big NSFW creators ( they would host these weird VTuber orgies ), and I was basically a nobody who did not stream and only dedicated all their freetime to hosting this group. So it's like.. Go to the VIP party of a creator who is growing in popularity or the nobody who's only reputation is hosting VRChat events. Or maybe she's just super charming, I don't know.

Her parties were SUPER base plate, though. Which I think pissed me off even more. She killed my party to host these plain ass events, and sexually harass people, leaving my staff and volunteers with nothing. She was so fucking lazy about it. She even stopped hosting them fairly quickly which I can only assume is because she realized how much fucking work it is. Who knows. Her last party was for her birthday.

So she killed my passion project, just to use it to gain popularity and then drop them altogether.

I never gained anything from hosting. I didnt make money, it was essentially a part-time job, and I didnt even fucking stream because I didnt have the time. Her party Discord has a channel with all of her model references and makes announcements about her stream n' shit. Like moves all these big creators in there for her parties and makes it pretty self-centered.

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This part is just extra, you can ignore it.

But, I went to one of her parties.

Around the time she started hosting, I had gotten hired for a VTuber company, LumiLive, and Marina didn't know I was Megumi. I asked her for an invite, and got in because I was doing pretty well number-wise at the time.

At the party, I literally heard her and her friends shit talking about how killing my party was on purpose ( even got more confirmation from an friend who used to hangout with her at a later date ), and at one point she comes up and just start crossing boundaries like fucking crazy. She started asking me what kind of porn I like, to which I didn't reply and just kept awkwardly laughing because I didn't know her. She then goes on about how she'd love to just be in a Discord call with me and silently observe me while I watch porn -- which just fucking blew my mind because I feel like I couldn't have been any clearer in my discomfort. I was trying to hangout with one of my friends. She then mentions how she loves to use her vibrator on Twitch streams while no one knows, and controls her friends while they are on Twitch and asks me for my code and at which point I'm no longer speaking and just leave. I avoided VRChat for over a year. It's just so fucking insane to me her lack of awareness and I can only imagine how many others shes been to like this. And, I've already heard a couple stories.

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You guys can ask questions if you want, but I hope this clears it up.

She just ripped something away from me that was meant to be wholesome and made it into her own fucking clout chasing bullshit.
It's really fucking jaded me in this community. All those hours just to be left in the dust by some selfish cunt.

Also, sorry if this is written like a retard, I am retarded.

You know it's one thing to watch someone and get a gut feeling they are a back-stabbing, clout chasing, sex pest. It's a whole other thing to actually get someone to confirm your gut feelings. Jesus Christ.

First I want to say, you have my sympathy for what you've gone through. Based on our discussions with other vTubers this week, you are far from the only person Marina has taken advantage of like this. Thank you for being willing to step forward and share your story. As others have mentioned, any proof you have of these allegations would be amazing. Unfortunately, I've heard from others Marina seems adept at covering their tracks.

If there is anything else you want to share but don't necessarily want it to be public, feel free to message one of us moderators and we can talk any way you want. As well, if you have anyone else who you think would want to share their own experiences, whether in private or in public, please feel free to send them our way or message us their names for referral.

Thank you again, and good luck moving forward.

 

[Azehara]

You know it's one thing to watch someone and get a gut feeling they are a back-stabbing, clout chasing, sex pest. It's a whole other thing to actually get someone to confirm your gut feelings. Jesus Christ.

First I want to say, you have my sympathy for what you've gone through. Based on our discussions with other vTubers this week, you are far from the only person Marina has taken advantage of like this. Thank you for being willing to step forward and share your story. As others have mentioned, any proof you have of these allegations would be amazing. Unfortunately, I've heard from others Marina seems adept at covering their tracks.

If there is anything else you want to share but don't necessarily want it to be public, feel free to message one of us moderators and we can talk any way you want. As well, if you have anyone else who you think would want to share their own experiences, whether in private or in public, please feel free to send them our way or message us their names for referral.

Thank you again, and good luck moving forward.

From what I have been told, the lack of evidence often comes from people getting sweet-talked by Marina and believing that they are a nice person so there isn't any reason to record or screenshot shit. A few weeks or months along the line you realize that you got backstabbed and fucked over and at that point everything and anything you could've screenshotted already happened so you can't go back. At that point often the people just don't even want to deal with it anymore and just want out.

Would be interesting to see if anyone recorded any of those VIP parties or hell even one of the "orgies".

Some people probably have a laundry list of dirt but won't say shit because it's also possible that others have gathered dirt on them. Given how shitty a good number of people are in the Vtuber sphere and how prone they are to backstabbing and stepping on each other for clout, it wouldn't surprise me.

 

[reinigen]

Some people probably have a laundry list of dirt but won't say shit because it's also possible that others have gathered dirt on them. Given how shitty a good number of people are in the Vtuber sphere and how prone they are to backstabbing and stepping on each other for clout, it wouldn't surprise me.

This is one of the major things I'm worried about. There may be relatively innocent person who will end up being complicit in shit simply through their own inaction or ignoring a situation. And those ones who might have plenty to say will be too afraid to come forward since they themselves might take a hit. I'm especially interested in some of the major players from in and around Marina's clique like CottontailVA and Buffpup. God knows who else might be caught up in the web.

 

[Clown Penis]

CottontailVA and Buffpup

Cottontail has physically been in contact with the troon, so you really have to wonder.

Buffpup is the furry who talked about being in a gangbang or orgy, right?

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Marina is a fantastic manipulator, so I'm willing to hear some of them out when this shit goes south; however, given her actions, they will need to provide substantial evidence that they were not involved with a lot of Marina's shady dealings as based on the evidence Im seeing I think they may be involved in something unforgivable. I don't know what degree Marina has, but his former job as a teacher has convinced me that, based on his current actions, he is probably a Pedo. To power level a bit, I know several teachers, and I know that they have training on kids' safety on a regular basis. Given that Marina would have been required to do this training regularly, I do not believe Marina deserves the benefit of the doubt on the discord allegations and that this knowledge excludes him from Hanlon's razor argument that he was just ignorant. I know the training teachers go through, and I know for a fact that if Marina was a teacher, they would know better, and their action of leaving the date ambiguous was intentional, just like breaking the new Twitch TOS. Also, given their fetishes, they get off on power imbalances like master and slave, and combined with his past actions, I think it's not much of a leap to believe that Marina gets off to the idea of the power imbalance between adult and child. Your fears are valid, as it's clear that if Marina goes down for ped shit which is an likely the outcome at this point, I don't think any of Marina's remaining friends can salvage their career.

This but edited to reflect the truth: he's an AGP LARPing as a she.

If his dox/power word (dead name) ever gets uncovered, that might bring us (more quickly?) to the feared conclusion regarding this whole groomer revelation.

Man, who would have thought back in February that Pikamee was just the beginning? It got worse. Way worse.

 

[Paladin]

This is one of the major things I'm worried about. There may be relatively innocent person who will end up being complicit in shit simply through their own inaction or ignoring a situation. And those ones who might have plenty to say will be too afraid to come forward since they themselves might take a hit. I'm especially interested in some of the major players from in and around Marina's clique like CottontailVA and Buffpup. God knows who else might be caught up in the web.

Marina is a fantastic manipulator, so I'm willing to hear some of them out when this shit goes south; however, given her actions, they will need to provide substantial evidence that they were not involved with a lot of Marina's shady dealings as based on the evidence Im seeing I think they may be involved in something unforgivable. I don't know what degree Marina has, but her former job as a teacher has convinced me that, based on her current actions, she is probably a Pedo. To power level a bit, I know several teachers, and I know that they have training on kids' safety on a regular basis. Given that Marina would have been required to do this training regularly, I do not believe Marina deserves the benefit of the doubt on the discord allegations and that this knowledge excludes her from Hanlon's razor argument that she was just ignorant. I know the training teachers go through, and I know for a fact that if Marina was a teacher, they would know better, and their action of leaving the date ambiguous was intentional, just like breaking the new Twitch TOS. Also, given their fetishes, they get off on power imbalances like master and slave, and combined with her past actions, I think it's not much of a leap to believe that Marina gets off to the idea of the power imbalance between adult and child. Your fears are valid, as it's clear that if Marina goes down for ped shit which is an likely the outcome at this point, I don't think any of Marina's remaining friends can salvage their career.

 

[Arznbae]

@SandyCat Question? You have any clue if this group through CottontailVA had a hand in Finnster's recent arc?

 

[Azehara]

Taiga seems to have someone inside the Marina discord feeding him some of the shit that gets posted.

Silvy also edits for Cimrai, given the shit she used to say on stream before rebranding I wonder if they were also part of the same circle.

 

[Smegmar]

Jesus Christ. Do you have any evidence of these accusations you can provide? Have you publicly brought them up before?

Also,



Holy crap, are you Megumi Kuragiri? I didn't make the LumiLive connection before. You've had some rough luck in your career, haven't you? I know you still might not be able to talk about more recent events but would you be open to talk (perhaps in another thread) about who LumiLive was and what happened to them? There doesn't really seem to be much info out there about them.

I'm unsure what kind of evidence you're looking for. I never recorded the parties before as that was a big no-no at my events. Everything was pretty much done through VRChat through which are essentially live calls. I apologize for that. If you want access to the Discord, this is a temporary link: https://discord.gg/SDkAgHbw
Everything was pretty much done in other peoples DM's, and unfortunately I don't really have the time to hound people down and ask them for the DM proof of her inviting them to her Discord especially as I've been told already that people fear coming forward about her because of her hoard of supporters.

In regards to Lumilive, I don't mind talking about it honestly. I've been fucked over by corpos twice now and I'm pretty over it. Can't talk about the second corp, though, as a lawsuit is currently pending and I don't want to add to the fire as per my lawyers advice. I don't think this thread is for that though haha

 

[Paladin]

I'm unsure what kind of evidence you're looking for. I never recorded the parties before as that was a big no-no at my events. Everything was pretty much done through VRChat through which are essentially live calls. I apologize for that. If you want access to the Discord, this is a temporary link: https://discord.gg/SDkAgHbw
Everything was pretty much done in other peoples DM's, and unfortunately I don't really have the time to hound people down and ask them for the DM proof of her inviting them to her Discord especially as I've been told already that people fear coming forward about her because of her hoard of supporters.

In regards to Lumilive, I don't mind talking about it honestly. I've been fucked over by corpos twice now and I'm pretty over it. Can't talk about the second corp, though, as a lawsuit is currently pending and I don't want to add to the fire as per my lawyers advice. I don't think this thread is for that though haha

The answer is anything. You never know what you may uncover based on seemingly useless pieces of knowledge. By changes, do you know any of the clicks stances on Loli or anything related to ped shit?

 

[naganon]

The answer is anything. You never know what you may uncover based on seemingly useless pieces of knowledge. By changes, do you know any of the clicks stances on Loli or anything related to ped shit?

No one is going to admit to being pro pedophilia, and they are probably anti loli. Not sure what their stance of loli matters for though. We have a lot of people here who are anti loli, and while I think it's gross, it's not pedophilia.

 

[reinigen]

I guess my inclination is to to think "Who are the new people of interest to investigate? Who are the people most likely to have info that are willing to talk now?"

 

[Paladin]

No one is going to admit to being pro pedophilia, and they are probably anti loli. Not sure what their stance of loli matters for though. We have a lot of people here who are anti loli, and while I think it's gross, it's not pedophilia.

True, but I'm looking for a pattern of behavior. Peds tend to group up and if one of them is a dumbass and goes to mask off it can lead to other relations. You would be surprised how often obvious shit is just swept under the rug.

 

[Azehara]

No one is going to admit to being pro pedophilia, and they are probably anti loli. Not sure what their stance of loli matters for though. We have a lot of people here who are anti loli, and while I think it's gross, it's not pedophilia.

Given how Taiga gets called a pedophile because he had commissioned shota art or some shit, I would expect that the people that have that same mentality have stuck with Tits McGee

 

[naganon]

Given how Taiga gets called a pedophile because he had commissioned shota art or some shit, I would expect that the people that have that same mentality have stuck with Tits McGee

I agree. I don't think loli matters at all in this conversation. An extremely large portion of the vtuber community (including vtubers themselves) are lolicons or shotacons. Feel free to investigate what you want though. More information is always good.

 

[Paladin]

I was looking into this @SilvySpark guy for leads, and it seems he's made an appearance at Twitchcon. However, nothing remarkable, past some of the gayest shit I've ever seen.

 

[Ｍｕｒｒａｙしないで]

I'm unsure what kind of evidence you're looking for. I never recorded the parties before as that was a big no-no at my events. Everything was pretty much done through VRChat through which are essentially live calls. I apologize for that. If you want access to the Discord, this is a temporary link: https://discord.gg/SDkAgHbw
Everything was pretty much done in other peoples DM's, and unfortunately I don't really have the time to hound people down and ask them for the DM proof of her inviting them to her Discord especially as I've been told already that people fear coming forward about her because of her hoard of supporters.

Well, without any sort of evidence, we just have to take you as your word. You do have some stature in this community (a position and reputation you're putting on the line against Marina being able to provide evidence you're a liar) so that's not entirely worthless, though. But any sort of corroboration, even if it's just the word of someone else in the community who would know these things and also isn't afraid of coming forward, would be useful.

In regards to Lumilive, I don't mind talking about it honestly. I've been fucked over by corpos twice now and I'm pretty over it. Can't talk about the second corp, though, as a lawsuit is currently pending and I don't want to add to the fire as per my lawyers advice. I don't think this thread is for that though haha

I'm the guy who wrote the OP in our thread on that certain other agency so I know a bit about it, and I certainly want you to avoid legal trouble as much as possible. That said, I hope you're still around if and when the legal issues are over and you can answer our questions on that as well (hopefully you're not bullied into a settlement with a gag order). In both that and Tsunderia's case I felt the worst for the talents who had stopped their indie activity in the months leading up to debuting as a new corpo generation and ended up having nothing to show for it except bad memories.

As for LumiLive, I don't really know enough about it besides that all of its talents quit at once, so I don't even know where to start asking questions. If you don't mind writing a bit, would you be willing to start a new thread on the The Rec Room board (use the blue "Post Thread" button near the upper right) and put your story in a few paragraphs and we can take it from there?

If that's too much writing, you could also just make a stream out of it. Let me know when and I'll be sure to tune in.

 

[God's Wingiest Winger]

Kind of crazy that it took a twitch meltdown to finally break the camels back

https://archive.ph/Qlofc

 

[Arznbae]

Kind of crazy that it took a twitch meltdown to finally break the camels back

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