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Riifu Evergreen / exoe / Dude That's Lewd - EIEN Project Separation and VAllure Updates

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Disclaimer: Some of my links lead to posts on this forum recapping streams or other content, rather than archives of primary sources. If you have primary sources and timestamps for anything I've sourced in this manner, feel free. Recaps are still incredibly helpful and I thank everyone who did one. Tweet archives were vital, as we can see from the deleted tweets under some bullet points.



9 February 2023:
  • EIEN Project's CEO, MOERI (eri), announces a hiatus of her Vtubing activities which started in 2020, explicitly citing her EIEN Project activities. (Archive)
  • Her last stream is on 24 February 2023.
25 February 2023:
Post-debut, Riifu established a reputation for sexual content that had no real peer in EN corpo Vtubing, as seen below in her members stream from approximately 23 March 2023.
In this members stream Riifu said that she was not previously a Vtuber, she did not think EIEN would give her the spot, and that EIEN had given her permission to "express herself" as long as she did not break TOS.
Her memberships were tiered such that gifted memberships would not give access to this content.
Riifu was also a workaholic, streaming daily, 2-3 times a day, with 7-8 hour streams included.

15 April 2023:
There are leaked Discord screenshots of messages between Riifu and eri in this time period. Discord screenshots are easily faked, but a later, unrelated screencapture yab by Kiki Lockheart also showed eri in chat, showing that someone in EIEN's Discord uses that handle, validating the screenshots to some extent.
Riifu:
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Kiki:
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Gofile upload

17 April 2023:
28 April 2023:
A /vt/ post claims there are parallels between Riifu's termination/resignation and her abandonment of the Dude's Crusade channel: Dude's Crusade promised a month-long daily streaming schedule, then had a hard stop, citing health reasons.
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3 May 2023:
12 May 2023:
  • Exoe says she will set up a Discord in the next week. The tweet has been deleted. (Archive)
18 May 2023:
  • Exoe opens her Discord. This link is to a forum post; the tweet has been deleted. (Archive)
  • In Discord chats Exoe claims to have a lawyer.
    • "Lawyer said not to push it and leave it alone for 10 months so I guess we are restricted to VC and kareoke [sic] and like screenshots of the fucking codes in the lobbies to get in"
    • "Nah my lawyer is legit, well looks like we're just stuck to VC"
    • "So I guess sometime next week lotr someone gotta stream it and I can only VC that bad boy."
28 May 2023 approx:
Introtalk.mp3
https://files.catbox.moe/e394ek.mp3

LotrWatchAlongFirstMovieCompPlusIntroTalk
https://litter.catbox.moe/hg6fef.mp3

LotrWatchAlongSecondMovie.mp3
https://litter.catbox.moe/hkds8a.mp3

LotrWatchAlongThirdMovie.mp3
https://litter.catbox.moe/gxomvr.mp3

AfterMovie3Talk.mp3
https://litter.catbox.moe/e4sryg.mp3

EndingTalkAndSeeYouLater.mp3
https://litter.catbox.moe/b8gu9s.mp3
  • Started reading /vt/ and too much stupid shitty rrats which made her seethe. Stopped because she couldn’t take it.
  • Hates that she is autistic and ADHD as fuck so she says things before she speaks and she basically got a hit with a NDA that makes this a problem.
  • 10-month streaming ban (non-compete)
  • Thought up a concept of a Vtuber that would stream for 1 year and then get graduated.
  • Communication went to shit to the point of it’s just their lawyers only talking to each other
  • Doesn’t want the ship to sink.
  • Says that she is amazed at Vtubers that play a character. She was just being herself
  • Seems there are some people in that Discord server that didnt know what she was doing these last 4 months.
  • Apparently bunch of people sent her videos and photos of tributes. Started doing cock rating but management told her to stop it.
  • Talks about post nut clarity and that most of the degen shit she does is because shes just horny. Gets instantly turned off when she gets off.
  • She was going to suggest chastity cage thing as merch, says she got a bit too much into it.
  • She is extremely happy at how the fans had her back and all of the love she has gotten from people.
  • They (EIEN) didn’t think she would go to a lawyer to fight shit back
  • She will probably be moving and changing her name. Says that giving her personal information is a double edge sword and she doesn’t trust them with her personal information. If she randomly gets doxxed she knows that its probably because of this since she has never given out her personal information to anyone else.
  • Talked again about how much she loves the other girls. Said she had written out a Christmas list to give the girls 2 presents each. Wants the fans to support the 3 girls.
  • Hopes they didn’t feed the other girls lies. She is really sad that she probably won’t get to ever speak to them again.
  • Really wants the girls to succeed and even considered opening a TikTok account to promote them. Says it hurts to look at them from the sidelines and looking at their models.
  • She loves Hatsune Miku.
  • She is happy with her community and it hurt her not being able to reply because at some point the fans were blaming themselves.
  • Glad she could offer something different even if it didn’t last long. She did have a great time.
  • Someone was asking for the Mori horse cock sucking video. She found horse porn on Youtube.
  • Spent the last 20 minutes or so crying

5 June 2023:
7 June 2023:
  • Skye Shinryu streams "【 ZATSUDAN || supposed to be MONSTER RANCHER 】I talk about more serious topics here !" and addresses her thoughts on Riifu starting from 49:04. The VOD was initially privated for undisclosed reasons but is currently available.
    • Recap by @Lurker Throwaway in this thread
    • The EIEN Manager account appeared in chat once, when Skye expressed the opinion that as a talent in a small company, Riifu could have negotiated for a contract revision. "She never asked for a revision unfortunately"
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Let me know if I missed anything. I will edit in screenshots and summaries of the more recent statements when I have time.

Edit 7 June 2023:
  • Added info about Riifu's 2021 foray into Vtubing as Dude's Crusade
  • Added Exoe tweets from 3 May 2023 about her Discord server
  • Added info about MOERI's hiatus from Vtubing to focus on EIEN Project
Edit 8 June 2023:
  • Added Skye Shinryu's statement
  • Added timestamps and rearranged the events of 28 April 2023, the day the termination notice was issued - one of Exoe's tweets was made after the termination notice, not before as previously implied
  • Added Wayback Machine links for the audio of Exoe's Discord watchalong on 28 May 2023
 
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The statement by EIEN is worth posting directly in the thread itself, so I'll do it below. While it's about what you'd expect if you had any passing familiarity with business and hiring and firing procedures, we very rarely get a good look behind the curtain of vtuber corpos, and there's some interesting information here, especially if you want to know what happened to Riifu.

The story is about what you expect if you're ever seen an employee who doesn't perform up to standard, but has a chance to improve the quality of their work and behaviour. Repeated attempts to retrain and re-educate the employee, because retraining is much easier and quicker than getting a new employee, which still isn't guaranteed to be any good, and many areas require detailed evidence of performance management of an employee before they get fired. Unfortunately, none of these attempts to reeducate take, the attempts scale from casual and low-key prompting to increasingly overt warnings, until the company gives up and decides to cut their losses.

Still, there's some interesting information here and worth sharing.

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Extremely progressive zero-self-esteem slut got the break of a lifetime and pissed it all away due to excessive amounts of mental illness. Somehow not shocked at all.
 

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Extremely progressive zero-self-esteem slut got the break of a lifetime
So every V-tuber ever?

Ya' know barring my Oshi, she is perfect and pure and doesn't even have a vagina
 

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A cautionary tale of hiring a whore and getting a whore, having to deal with a whore and then firing a whore.
I don't know why anyone in EIEN ever expected anything to change.

In a more serious note, I may not care for this corpo, but they are certainly professional about everything. Whether they really are this professional or just really good liars doesn't matter since it makes green whore look bad eitherway.
 

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In a more serious note, I may not care for this corpo, but they are certainly professional about everything. Whether they really are this professional or just really good liars doesn't matter since it makes green whore look bad eitherway.

It's interesting because EIEN is a case where a streamer got a bag and decided to become a boss now. I don't know if she knew anything about management before. There's still a chance those circumstances could lead to disaster later but if we take their announcements at face value, yes, they seem to have handled the situation quite professionally on their end.
 

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I'm very curious to hear the story of how she stumbled upon EIEN given her lack of knowledge on the industry as a whole.
 

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I'm very curious to hear the story of how she stumbled upon EIEN given her lack of knowledge on the industry as a whole.
it would not be surprising to learn her chat overlaps with vtubers probally learned of it through that.

as for the documentation Reads like "this is my big break i need to work hard" which leads into deteriorating mental health and comparing herself to the rest of her gen and then spiraling did not help she isolated herself from her other gen mates so was ignorant to their own struggles "why are they perfect why am i not like that"

being a coombaiter certainly didn't help in the long run. I recall joining a stream once out of curiosity only to catch one message speeding through chat "I dont care show me your tits" which is disheartening to see minimal to zero support from the majority of riflings combined with the above isolation

no wonder she imploded.
 

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The statement by EIEN is worth posting directly in the thread itself, so I'll do it below. While it's about what you'd expect if you had any passing familiarity with business and hiring and firing procedures, we very rarely get a good look behind the curtain of vtuber corpos, and there's some interesting information here, especially if you want to know what happened to Riifu.

The story is about what you expect if you're ever seen an employee who doesn't perform up to standard, but has a chance to improve the quality of their work and behaviour. Repeated attempts to retrain and re-educate the employee, because retraining is much easier and quicker than getting a new employee, which still isn't guaranteed to be any good, and many areas require detailed evidence of performance management of an employee before they get fired. Unfortunately, none of these attempts to reeducate take, the attempts scale from casual and low-key prompting to increasingly overt warnings, until the company gives up and decides to cut their losses.

Still, there's some interesting information here and worth sharing.

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I was browsing the EIEN general when Riifu took leave initially and a theory was the EIEN/Moeri had analytical targets and Riifu wasn't posting the required 2x a week shorts. Amusing that she's just menhera instead.

Moeri reminds me of Tamaki and the gulf between "over sharing" and just putting a simple statement of termination continues. Tamaki basically said Lilith's gone and don't ask questions.
Also, some Scottish lawyer had to figure out wtf Vtubers are. :SelenHAHAhere:
 

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Also, some Scottish lawyer had to figure out wtf Vtubers are. :SelenHAHAhere:
internet law is a hot field right now most law students can smell the winds changing and are learning to apply their degrees to online especially after semi major cases getting decent media coverage (Sterling despite his troonitude H3H3 hell even DSP) even cases that never actually had any legal action taken becoming interest cases .

And getting paid huge sums because of how little expertise there is out there currectly in about 4-5 years it will become an over saturated market.
 

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Skye addressing her thoughts on Riifu. As of right now you can rewind back 11-12 minutes to hear from the start. Look for when her face fills up the stream.
 

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Skye addressing her thoughts on Riifu. As of right now you can rewind back 11-12 minutes to hear from the start. Look for when her face fills up the stream.

Looks like it was privated before I could give it a listen. Can you give us a summary?
 

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It's interesting because EIEN is a case where a streamer got a bag and decided to become a boss now. I don't know if she knew anything about management before. There's still a chance those circumstances could lead to disaster later but if we take their announcements at face value, yes, they seem to have handled the situation quite professionally on their end.
I didn't know this. I've added MOERI's Vtuber hiatus to the timeline in case it adds context to anything later on.

I'm very curious to hear the story of how she stumbled upon EIEN given her lack of knowledge on the industry as a whole.
I went looking for some info I missed earlier. Dude That's Lewd had a channel intended for Vtubing, Dude's Crusade. The channel was created in 2016, suggesting that the channel previously had another focus. In 2021 she was in an ARMA3 collab with Rimmy Downunder, also featuring Rye Project (Yuko Yurei's PL), Whiskey, and many others. Dude's Crusade has a highlight reel of the collab. In a community post around October 2022 she talks about having abandoned the channel some time prior, citing voice strain, and rebranding to a meme/manga reading channel (archive of community post). The most recent public video is from November 2022 (archive of date stamp, not the video itself).

After Riifu's termination on 28 April, a /vt/ post claims there are parallels between Riifu's termination/resignation and her abandonment of the Dude's Crusade channel: Dude's Crusade promised a month-long daily streaming schedule, then had a hard stop, citing health reasons.
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I've added this to the OP.
 
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Looks like it was privated before I could give it a listen. Can you give us a summary?
Pertaining only to Riifu, she spoke for a couple hours turning it from a Monster Rancher stream to a zatsu mainly.
TL;DR
Skye was shocked of the outcome of Riifu's self-termination. A little sad and angry as Riifu had just left so abruptly, but doesn't hate her.
  • Didn't hear/read the direct conversation between management and Riifu but heard the situation was going to work out. Then she quit then next day.
  • Spoke about the initial contention was a contract issue of Steam game ownership which the company keeps. Skye had thought everyone had understood during the early phase to library share from their personal accounts to their work accounts.
  • Management was to cover for game subscription ie: XBOX pass and asks their talents to limit purchases or not to requests too many game purchases to reduce expenses as EIEN wasn't an infinite money hole.
  • Riifu had ranted on the company being thieves on their discord.
  • Skye was surprised on the non-compete clause and re-read the contract and was confused when there weren't any. Skye had gotten clear authorization during signup to have monetized work outside of EIEN.
  • Seems that Riifu didn't fully read or understand the contract she had signed.
  • Skye brings up her experiences working with corporations/contracted work as Riifu could have negotiated and gotten a revision as a talent under a small company has more power than she thinks.
    • EIEN Manager popped up once to add:
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  • edit: Since Riifu was new to vtubing Skye understands it may have been a culture shock to her having a different type of community as well as having a closer tie to company management.
  • Skype sympathizes with Riifu as she was a similar person when she was much younger.
  • She was the 'toxic gf' as she ghosted her then boyfriend as she couldn't get her emotional demands right away. The 'why can't you understand what I'm feeling and fix it' mentality. She apologized years later and made up.
  • She had childhood emotional neglect from her parents being the trophy child and/or treated like a maid. This made her closed off in her teens and didn't open up until she had more freedom during college.
Vod is unprivated.
 
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Were the litter links to the watchalong recordings archived?
 

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Were the litter links to the watchalong recordings archived?
Yes, under the bullet point 28 May 2023, and reproduced here:
Introtalk.mp3
https://files.catbox.moe/e394ek.mp3

LotrWatchAlongFirstMovieCompPlusIntroTalk
https://litter.catbox.moe/hg6fef.mp3

LotrWatchAlongSecondMovie.mp3
https://litter.catbox.moe/hkds8a.mp3

LotrWatchAlongThirdMovie.mp3
https://litter.catbox.moe/gxomvr.mp3

AfterMovie3Talk.mp3
https://litter.catbox.moe/e4sryg.mp3

EndingTalkAndSeeYouLater.mp3
https://litter.catbox.moe/b8gu9s.mp3
 

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Yeah, I saw those, but the audio itself was uploaded to litter and has since expired. Unless I'm the only one getting a 404 when I click them?
 

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Yeah, I saw those, but the audio itself was uploaded to litter and has since expired. Unless I'm the only one getting a 404 when I click them?
The Introtalk link still works but I'm getting 404s for the others. Wayback Machine is currently still working:



OP notes: I've added Skye Shinryu's statement and added timestamps for the day the termination notice was issued (28 April). One of Exoe's tweets was made after the termination notice, not before as previously implied.
 
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Late thoughts:

MOERI and Skye have said there is no non-compete clause in the talent contracts, and that is consistent with Riifu's own activity on her PLs when she was active as Riifu. More pertinently, MOERI and Skye can't explicitly lie about this, as that would give Riifu legal ammo (whether or not she had any to begin with).

Riifu has never explicitly said she is under a non-compete, but her actions since leaving EIEN strongly suggested it. Riifu has a motive to lie (playing the victim). But if she is lying (i.e. creating the impression that there are legal reasons she's not allowed to stream, while conscious that no such reasons exist), she's chosen an incredibly convoluted method of doing so (scheduling and then cancelling the watchalong on her channel, using a burner Discord and telling someone else to stream in it) that has no immediate monetary or attention benefit. A Patreon for "getting back on my feet" or whatever would have been simpler.

Other benefits to this method may exist. Or Riifu may genuinely believe that she can't stream normally for whatever reason. If the /vt/ post about Dude's Crusade is to be believed, Riifu had a Patreon-exclusive Discord some years ago that she nuked, so she does have a paranoid streak.
 

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Dropping this here. Lewd-Fauna made a comment on wanting to start her own shit with 6 girls (I think she is spreading herself out too thin).

She is comissioning BGMs and Backgrounds and whatnot.
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