"'Which Niji/HoloEN girl are you going for next', your oshi. I'm going for your oshi. Which one's your oshi? Oh he left!? Damn it! Come baaack! C'mon come baaack! I was just joking dude c´mon! Come baaack! I hurt his feelings? I'M NOT ACTUALLY GOING FOR HIS OSHI I was just fucking around! It's banter! I don't actually wanna hurt anyone's feelings, it's just a bit dude! Ahh fuck"Noir Vesper

VT-Rainbow Disintegration Thread [Now the Marina Disintegration Thread]

Thomas Talus

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A lolsuit is not the play. Taiga, if you are reading this, it'd be a much better idea to get everyone wronged by MarinaTV to come out and make a joint statement.
Are there preserved records of what Marina and/or minions said about Taiga, preferably in writing? I have relevant experience analyzing whether people might want to pursue such cases (usually not unless they have $10k+ to burn on it and care more about vindication than economics, or the case is very strong and the other side has easily reachable assets).

Also, people ITT and elsewhere on the forum should be aware of the risk of a suit flowing in the other direction, in which event the posts here might be used as evidence for Marina's case.
 

Jean Valjean

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I have to say, the irony of calling someone a pedo while dragging one's own feet in making your lewd space inaccessible to minors is pretty palpable.
 

Nenélove

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Back when I was new to VTubing, I went by Nova, and I was an event hoster IRL. So, after helping run the first VTuber prom event ( It was a fucking shitshow, but I'm not gonna get into it -- basically had to do all of the work with the help of one other while the main host just bragged about it being his event -- whatever ), I met a lot of cool creators in the space at the time.

The Afterglow started when a fairly known creator made a Tweet jokingly saying how they wish someone would host a party during COVID since everyone was cooped up inside. I commented, having experience with doing this already, about hosting such an event. It was so successful ( over 80 people RSVP'd ), I decided to make "The Afterglow" an official event that I would host once a month on the last Saturday of the month at the same time.

Real quick, to clarify, these events were hosted in VRChat. I networked with a group of well known creators in VRChat to set up live DJ sets and coordinate with world creators to customize these events for my parties. Like, I'd go to meetings about the future of VR n' shit and help with volunteering at virtual events to help get my group extra assistance if we needed it. Like, connections to DJs or whatever I needed or programs to assist with live feedback into a world.

I was very strict about my parties being for everyone regardless of size. Any VTuber, or someone who was a creator for VTubers ( like, model mamas n' whatnot ), was allowed. Although, I'd say about half or more of the attendees were fairly sizable creators.
Now that that's established, some time went by with minimal problems. The introduction to Marina was when one of my friends who used to be on the staff team asked if their friend could join my staff to host a NSFW after-event at my parties. I was pretty fucking against this and told her no. And, it turns out that Marina had decided that since I said no, she would host her own parties altogether. It wasn't a problem for awhile, but I did notice Marina getting in and schmoozing with people for their Discord information. I remember talking to one of my good friends who was up-and-coming at the time and Marina barged in, interrupting our conversation, just to get their Discord details and then leave after complimenting something that was popping off of theirs.

I also remember one of the only times I was critiqued negatively was by her because I did a big "instanced event" ( multiple 80 people servers for a party ), and Marina was mad that she didnt get to be in a world with a REALLY big creator even though I put her with every one of her friends that she put on her RSVP form. Like, it was clear she just wanted to clout chase.

Eventually, she did finally announce her first party. Except, it was being labeled as a "VIP" experience party and hosted on the same DAY and TIME as mine. She had a whole ass month, picking any day, and she chose the day that mine was always hosted.

I couldn't just reschedule because I put a lot of work into my parties. I had DJ's scheduled, worlds prepped for the night, and volunteers to help me with the talent show portion in the middle of my parties which was just a fun side event for drunk VTubers to sing or tell jokes at and win awards.

So, all of my party goers who she had messaged behind the scenes, stopped coming to mine to go to hers. I went from consistently getting over 80 people coming to my events ( with a waitlist to get in ), to 9 people.

I can only assume that people liked hers over mine because she had been using her "charisma" to climb as a streamer and was starting to average over 100 around this time. Befriending other big NSFW creators ( they would host these weird VTuber orgies ), and I was basically a nobody who did not stream and only dedicated all their freetime to hosting this group. So it's like.. Go to the VIP party of a creator who is growing in popularity or the nobody who's only reputation is hosting VRChat events. Or maybe she's just super charming, I don't know.

Her parties were SUPER base plate, though. Which I think pissed me off even more. She killed my party to host these plain ass events, and sexually harass people, leaving my staff and volunteers with nothing. She was so fucking lazy about it. She even stopped hosting them fairly quickly which I can only assume is because she realized how much fucking work it is. Who knows. Her last party was for her birthday.

So she killed my passion project, just to use it to gain popularity and then drop them altogether.

I never gained anything from hosting. I didnt make money, it was essentially a part-time job, and I didnt even fucking stream because I didnt have the time. Her party Discord has a channel with all of her model references and makes announcements about her stream n' shit. Like moves all these big creators in there for her parties and makes it pretty self-centered.

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This part is just extra, you can ignore it.

But, I went to one of her parties.

Around the time she started hosting, I had gotten hired for a VTuber company, LumiLive, and Marina didn't know I was Megumi. I asked her for an invite, and got in because I was doing pretty well number-wise at the time.

At the party, I literally heard her and her friends shit talking about how killing my party was on purpose ( even got more confirmation from an friend who used to hangout with her at a later date ), and at one point she comes up and just start crossing boundaries like fucking crazy. She started asking me what kind of porn I like, to which I didn't reply and just kept awkwardly laughing because I didn't know her. She then goes on about how she'd love to just be in a Discord call with me and silently observe me while I watch porn -- which just fucking blew my mind because I feel like I couldn't have been any clearer in my discomfort. I was trying to hangout with one of my friends. She then mentions how she loves to use her vibrator on Twitch streams while no one knows, and controls her friends while they are on Twitch and asks me for my code and at which point I'm no longer speaking and just leave. I avoided VRChat for over a year. It's just so fucking insane to me her lack of awareness and I can only imagine how many others shes been to like this. And, I've already heard a couple stories.

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You guys can ask questions if you want, but I hope this clears it up.

She just ripped something away from me that was meant to be wholesome and made it into her own fucking clout chasing bullshit.
It's really fucking jaded me in this community. All those hours just to be left in the dust by some selfish cunt.

Also, sorry if this is written like a retard, I am retarded.
God damn, I feel for you sister, I am glad that you get to talk about it even if it is in this shitty no-name forum with a bunch of edgy randoms like us.
Jesus Christ. Do you have any evidence of these accusations you can provide? Have you publicly brought them up before?

Also,



Holy crap, are you Megumi Kuragiri? I didn't make the LumiLive connection before. You've had some rough luck in your career, haven't you? I know you still might not be able to talk about more recent events but would you be open to talk (perhaps in another thread) about who LumiLive was and what happened to them? There doesn't really seem to be much info out there about them.


Huh, I guess you are (specifically 16:46). Welcome to the boards. Thanks for sharing your stories. (Still hoping for a bit more evidence though.)

@Smegmar are you okay with us outing your vtuber identity here? I know you already sort of outed yourself but I'm aware of what rei posted yesterday and how it could scare off others who might not be as strong as you in coming out and confronting this fucker. In that same vein I don't think you should shout out who she was Murray.
 

Planetary Bombardment

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Joined:  Jan 7, 2023
It was bad enough knowing this thing taught or did teach middle school children. To know he has private access to a child is... sobering.
 
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SandyCat

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@SandyCat Question? You have any clue if this group through CottontailVA had a hand in Finnster's recent arc?
Not sure, I haven't been keeping up with the amholes much lately. Been too busy
 

naganon

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Joined:  Feb 26, 2023
I really was not trying to out myself directly, but considering the fact that Megu is my friend and is taking an incredibly brave step forward here, I can fully corroborate her story. Not only was I involved in The Afterglow, I was also a guest at Marina's private parties and witnessed the orgies, sexual harassment, and blatant cloutchasing. I also spoke to a lot of smaller indies that went to Marina's parties during that time who felt uncomfortable, but felt they couldn't leave as it was a networking opportunity with larger creators. I've spoken to Proctor in DMs (who can validate my identity) about a lot of my experience, as well as being the first "whistleblower" on this forum about the sabotage of The Afterglow by Marina.

I am hesitant and scared to speak about this due to my past experiences with Marina, and not wanting her to rip open old drama if she learned of my discussions; however Megu is being incredibly brave and I would like to support her in this.

- Menhera Green Woman

edit: this was terrifying to post and i think i need a drink now :yagoocry:
Green woman love :sanasmile:
Except you @John Vtuber👁️, you make it weird :annoyedpippa:
 

John Vtuber👁️

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Green woman love :sanasmile:
Except you @John Vtuber👁️, you make it weird :annoyedpippa:

regardless of what you and others may think of me, she seems to have reacted positively toward my schizo posting, so now I want to do what I can to not mess things up monumentally
 

Murrayしないで

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edit: this was terrifying to post and i think i need a drink now :yagoocry:

For what it's worth some people had you sussed out in the other thread for a couple days now so this is sort of like when the friend with the lisp, flamboyant shirts, and Volvo gets everyone together and tearfully comes out as gay.

At any rate, thank you for corroborating Megu's story. Hopefully as more people speak up against what happened here, it will encourage others to be able to share their stories in spite of the perceived social and professional consequences. (Now stop reading here and /vt/ and anything else other than your chat during streams, please.)

In that same vein I don't think you should shout out who she was Murray.

Man, "I was Megumi from LumiLive" isn't really an attempt to be secretive. I'm not any sort of superhacker for figuring out what the other half of the name of that person is (and that they were able to keep that identity after quitting). But I do admit I'm a little starstruck to be talking to someone related to the Akio shitshow even if they can't say anything about it (yet, hopefully).



This thread is probably about to get a lot of attention from outside the board. I know this probably isn't going to go over well with many of you but now might be the time to tone down on the slurs and misgendering. The people who most need to hear about this are those who are still close to Marina (however many people might be left who are close to her at this point) and those are going to be the types of people who will shut out and disregard what people who know are saying in this thread after they start seeing "he" and "troon" and so on. Maybe we can meet these people halfway by using their language at least for a little while? I agree that tone policing sucks but at this point there's a more important goal than being catty on the internet.
 
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Brosnan Pierce Brosnan

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Nah if we start tone policing, it would likely be a change that would end up permanent so extreme hard disagree.

I do agree on the Megu part since she outed herself in this thread, now she doesn't have as much forum presence as the other semi (lol) ambiguous poster Midori, so it might not matter to her as much who she is. But if anonymity is what she prefers then I dunno I would assume she would need to sock.
 

naganon

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This thread is probably about to get a lot of attention from outside the board. I know this probably isn't going to go over well with many of you but now might be the time to tone down on the slurs and misgendering.
You are asking a lot of a bunch of internet autists that pride themselves on being racist/sexist/transphobic.
 

John Vtuber👁️

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You are asking a lot of a bunch of internet autists that pride themselves on being racist/sexist/transphobic.

I disagree, I feel like it is entirely possible to have a conversation with others about such topics without immediately devolving into slurs or loaded language

you don't have to change your opinion at the end of the day, just be able to hold a conversation when needed
 

Short

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I disagree, I feel like it is entirely possible to have a conversation with others about such topics without immediately devolving into slurs or loaded language

you don't have to change your opinion at the end of the day, just be able to hold a conversation when needed
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Yamanba
 

naganon

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midori

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For what it's worth some people had you sussed out in the other thread for a couple days now so this is sort of like when the friend with the lisp, flamboyant shirts, and Volvo gets everyone together and tearfully comes out as gay.

At any rate, thank you for corroborating Megu's story. Hopefully as more people speak up against what happened here, it will encourage others to be able to share their stories in spite of the perceived social and professional consequences. (Now stop reading here and /vt/ and anything else other than your chat during streams, please.)
i know i was sussed put, but it was nice to have at least a little bit of plausible deniability, especially considering this is someone who has targeted me not only publicly but has privately smeared my name, threatened many to stop talking to me, and manipulated others into posting falsified documents about me when her attempts weren't fully successful

it's a little scary to imagine all of that starting again
 

Planetary Bombardment

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now might be the time to tone down on the slurs and misgendering
I'm sorry Murray, but I'm not misgendering anyone. Marina is male. Him demanding that I consider him a woman or refer to him with female pronouns is demanding that I participate in his sexual fetish under threat of cancellation. Threats are coercion, and coercion constitutes non-consent. I will not give one inch in this regard even if it means potentially jeopardizing making another one of his 'friends' see the light.

He is a sexual predator and I will not humor a sexual predator for any reason.
 

Abomination

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Us tone policing ourselves now isn't going to convince those who would turn away from us due to the nature of this site up until this point. If us referring to Marina as "he" is enough to make people turn a blind eye to what Marina has clearly done, they'll find any excuse to do so, especially upon discovering how this site came to be.

As things have gotten more serious, I personally have and will refrain from being more abrasive with my language when discussing things (no YWNBAW, 41% jokes, etc) in this thread. However, "misgendering" won't be something I'll bend on. In plenty of cases, the argument for using a person's preferred pronouns is to give that person some form of base respect. And just like in the case of Chris-chan, I have zero respect for this person, so I don't feel the need to offer any form of respect.
 

Todd's Strongest Howard

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Marina is a fantastic manipulator, so I'm willing to hear some of them out when this shit goes south; however, given her actions, they will need to provide substantial evidence that they were not involved with a lot of Marina's shady dealings as based on the evidence Im seeing I think they may be involved in something unforgivable. I don't know what degree Marina has, but her former job as a teacher has convinced me that, based on her current actions, she is probably a Pedo. To power level a bit, I know several teachers, and I know that they have training on kids' safety on a regular basis. Given that Marina would have been required to do this training regularly, I do not believe Marina deserves the benefit of the doubt on the discord allegations and that this knowledge excludes her from Hanlon's razor argument that she was just ignorant. I know the training teachers go through, and I know for a fact that if Marina was a teacher, they would know better, and their action of leaving the date ambiguous was intentional, just like breaking the new Twitch TOS. Also, given their fetishes, they get off on power imbalances like master and slave, and combined with her past actions, I think it's not much of a leap to believe that Marina gets off to the idea of the power imbalance between adult and child. Your fears are valid, as it's clear that if Marina goes down for ped shit which is an likely the outcome at this point, I don't think any of Marina's remaining friends can salvage their career.

School faculty is a hugely popular career path for pedos because of course it is.
 

naganon

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i know i was sussed put, but it was nice to have at least a little bit of plausible deniability, especially considering this is someone who has targeted me not only publicly but has privately smeared my name, threatened many to stop talking to me, and manipulated others into posting falsified documents about me when her attempts weren't fully successful

it's a little scary to imagine all of that starting again
All I can say is try to be mentally prepared. Guilt by association is a common tactic of these people, and we aren't the most politically correct group of people on the internet.
 

Paladin

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All I can say is try to be mentally prepared. Guilt by association is a common tactic of these people, and we aren't the most politically correct group of people on the internet.
To be honest I don’t she needs to worry given all the shit coming out. If the cards continue to fall they way there falling it’s marina group that’s gonna need to worry about Guilt by association.
 

naganon

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To be honest I don’t she needs to worry given all the shit coming out. If the cards continue to fall they way there falling it’s marina group that’s gonna need to worry about Guilt by association.
Marina is the type of person that will post screenshots of the most offensive stuff on this site and will say "look at all these nazis and doxers she is associating with. It's all made up by transphobes." It will still be a lot to deal with for her. Just look at how unfairly Pippa is treated. These people are either retarded, evil, or both.
 
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