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[Hff201]

Nah when its gonna stop is when some fuckers get cocky and straight up harass some chuuba about it, and then everyone and their mother suddenly think it's an issue and collective curbstomp these people.

Knowing the kinds of people these performative anti-corpo circlejerks attract I think it's more likely they'll just double-down on it, since PL info being fair game means they have vtubers' entire online footprint to work with for their cancel culture harassment campaigns, instead of being limited to out-of-context stream clips.

It's a shame because something I've always appreciated about vtuber kayfabe is that it gives people with messy histories a second chance, which is unfortunately incredibly rare these days.

Sir, it is a time honored tradition here on TVA to a-log Nijisanji.

There are layers to it though. You're supposed to point and laugh at Nijisanji's fuckups when they happen and criticise their deranged fanboys when applicable. You're not supposed to spend several hours a day posting in anti-Nijisanji subreddits and pretending you're morally superior to other people because you tell everyone that Selen is Dokibird now.

 

[Scoots]

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Cute Airi hot mic clip plus I spliced some clips of the talent she was fangirling over in there too. I say again Airi has good taste

 

[CalciumAnimal]

Water ain't wet.

[Long Autistic Ramble about perception being subjective meaning everything and also nothing is simultaneously true and false so nothing matters and everything is made up by rules generally agreed upon but cannot be verified outside our own lying eyeballs]


God Ish Tote

At least Fictional anime girls are a lie i can get behind.

 

[Smelliest007]

Green Mario.

IMMERsion is high today, she's had her model squeeze down and replicate the animation when Mario loses or gains a mushroom.

 

[httn]

Speaking of sad Koreans, Shabel Tonya is giving up on YouTube because of their demonetization bullshit

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I've been stressing over this platform stuff for MONTHS by now and it's genuinely sad to see some of you guys are upset about it...I've been around for quite a while now and I really think we've hit the point where we need to try new things for improvement.
So none of these changes are set on stone and we're just trying to see what works the best for us...I wanted to focus on my branding as a Vsinger so I've been trying to move away from streaming on Youtube. (algorithm issues plus all the demonetization nonsense that happened recently with my companymates)
Dual streaming is not ideal because it does not focus on any of the audiences. (in my experience, viewers at a platform that has less chatters get discouraged to watch because I'm not big enough to have sufficient viewers on both platforms)That's why I decided to divide platforms depending on stream contents without completely moving because a lot of my current viewers are mainly Youtube based.
There's no other way to do KR streams because KR Twitch doesn't exist anymore and most KR viewers were not on Youtube even back then so it's gotta be CHZZK.
I'm still trying to figure out a way to simplify Youtube membership to one lowest tier without messing the streaks. (I'll update you guys soon) That way you guys can still use emotes on stream & keep your membership badges.I'm only trying to utilize the lowest tier on Twitch also so that you guys can use emotes Overall, I'm trying to keep Youtube + Twitch memberships under $10 so you guys won't feel like it's too much of an extra cost every month.
Patreon is an additional platform that has contents that does not interfere with my usual streams. I separated it because I didn't want to worry about monetization or algorithms and make contents freely. Main contents there are recorded videos that require prep, time, effort, and cost incurred for me. You do not have to get membership there and still will not have any problem enjoying my contents. I also tried to make the price reasonable as possible to enjoy all of the contents there... If you read all the way till here, thank you so much for going through my internal struggles right now... I really couldn't think of a better way to execute this and I really tried to make everything low cost for you guys as well if you're just casual stream enjoyers. If you have a better idea, I'm all ears so please send me suggestions.
At the end of the day, I just wanted to grow and do more fun contents with you guys, so I was really sad to see some of you guys being upset about this change...Regardless, I really appreciate all the love and support you always give me. Thank you so much and I hope you guys also know that I really care about you guys as well.

Looks like someone got mad.

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Even seething on her alt

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Probably a SEA schizo mad that his ASMR and cosplay goon content is moving to a $20 patreon tier. Patreon doesn't support regional pricing so would be a lot of bananas for a SEAmonkey.

Spoiler: word words words

ANNOUNCEMENT
Hello everyone!!
This is an announcement to explain the changes that will happen to the platforms I'll be active on!I know it's a little confusing, but I'm hoping to have a lot of fun with you guys soon

1. Youtube
My main Youtube channel (here!) will be used for music uploads & only for certain types of streams (karaoke, handcam)
However, all stream VODs will not be public on this channel.
All of the VODs can still be seen at the playlist on my VODs channel youtube.com/@shabeltonyavod

2. Youtube membership
Youtube membership tiers will stay as it is.
(If I try to change anything, it will affect your membership streaks)
Only difference that will be made is that membership streams will no longer be done on Youtube.
(It will be done on Patreon instead)

<Youtube membership perks>
Smolodon
- Emotes
- occasional cover WIP (rarely uploaded)
- Smolodon ONLY discord channel access

Beeg Smolodon
- Emotes
- occasional cover WIP (rarely uploaded)
- Illustrations & Cover song mp3
- Beeg Smolodon ONLY discord channel access

3. Twitch
https://www.twitch.tv/shabeltonya
Gaming streams, guerilla streams will be done on Twitch from now on.
VODs will be on my VODs channel, in the same playlist with my Youtube stream VODs.
youtube.com/@shabeltonyavod

<Twitch subscription perks>
- Emotes
- Smolodon ONLY discord channel access

4. CHZZK
https://chzzk.naver.com/61c82035af4c50f150abf73343b297e9
KR ONLY streams will be done in CHZZK.
VODs will be uploaded on my VODs channel.
youtube.com/@shabeltonyavod

4. Patreon
https://www.patreon.com/c/ShabelTonya
Exclusive contents that are not available on other platforms will be done here. (VLOGs, ASMRs etc.)
Patreon membership stream VODs will be on Patreon.
It is ok to talk about Patreon contents on discord, as long as you don't post a clip or a video that can spoil the content. (Occassional screenshots are ok/Please treat them like paid concerts!)

<Patreon membership perks>
Smolodon
- Membership streams
- Vlogs (irl content)
- Smolodon ONLY discord channel access

Beeg Smolodon
- Cosplay ASMR
- Monthly Digital Cheki
- Membership streams
- Vlogs (irl content)
- Beeg Smolodon ONLY discord channel access

Emergency Food
- PERSONALIZED Digital Cheki
- PERSONALIZED Video message (of your choice)
- Cosplay ASMR
- Membership streams
- Vlogs (irl content)
- Beeg Smolodon ONLY discord channel access

I tried to explain it thoroughly as possible, but if you're still confused, hope this announcement stream helps a little!

I'll also try to answer questions if you leave a comment on this post as well!Thank you so much for always supporting me

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In other news Mozzu's final payment for her student loan didn't go through and she ignored the request for payment emails for 4 years. She is now acting suprised that she took a -200 hit to her credit score.

 

[Bronze]

Muyu's digging a hole

Loki Handcam

 

[MerelyTourist]

Nah when its gonna stop is when some fuckers get cocky and straight up harass some chuuba about it, and then everyone and their mother suddenly think it's an issue and collectively curbstomp these people.

Nah, in this case obnoxious ones will maybe quiet down for a week or two, then it gonna be back. As long as corpos gonna insist on this retarded NDA clause, audience gonna crusade.

 

[Kalion]

Fat coon bought herself TWO cakes for her birthday:

 

[marklollis]

In other news Mozzu's final payment for her student loan didn't go through and she ignored the request for payment emails for 4 years. She is now acting suprised that she took a -200 hit to her credit score.

I work in car loans and you have no idea how common this shit is, it was even worse when I worked in debt collections, some people I could understand, like the ones that got laid off during the pandemic but some just let shit run over months or years and then act all high and mighty when their score is at 400

 

[JusticeDog]

Fat coon bought herself TWO cakes for her birthday:

Mutual

 

[dumdum did nothing wrong]

Phase Connect manager makes an appearance on Jelly's stream (it must be manager week at Phase Connect, since we had another PC manager on-stream earlier this week with Airi).



She sounds incredibly cute. I don't know how Fishman does it.

My new is the next wave of invaders are phase managers.

 

[Brosnan Pierce Brosnan]

My new is the next wave of invaders are phase managers.

Nah let's get juicy with this. They originally had a set of Invaders but they backed out due to problems behind the scenes. So now as they do recasting they are buffing up management currently in order to sell management merch in the meantime.

 

[JusticeDog]

They had controller issues so now they're reading about cooking instead.

 

[famous artist pipkun]

That's very sweet of Dizzy. She also ordered Ember food for Valentine kinda sucks hearing how awful her family is to her beside her brother because underneath the menhera is a very sweet person.

 

[Svarog]

Kana playing Warframe

And she created discord for stream notifications
https://discord.gg/n5ZJUDbt
Isa digging Hole

 

[God's Saddest Tattletail]

Loki Handcam

Loki-sama bodycam streams might finally make me try to learn Japanese... What can silly principles like disliking fleshposting do in the face of that voice/body/model triple threat?

 

[JusticeDog]

Loki-sama bodycam streams might finally make me try to learn Japanese... What can silly principles like disliking fleshposting do in the face of that voice/body/model triple threat?

Mid

 

[bothyourhouses]

I'm not sure what happens in an environment where corpos are advertising actual people and those people can leave while benefitting so easily from all the advertising and resources of the old corpo. Do talents just get saddled with onerous contracts that give them huge amounts of debt should they quit instead, like how they do with Korean idol industry? I really doubt that removing this anonymity would be better for anyone involved.

We're in that world already - just look at Fauna - I just wish everyone be honest about it rather than nudge-wink bullshit. Corpos would still be viable as long as they're pulling their weight. We might see more 1-year non-competes (which is always a starting point for negotiation, not the end of it) or setups like the Brave Idol deal where the corpo retains a revenue share for a fixed period.

Because I am yet to see an explanation how using their legal name and a real photo would benefit a vtuber.

I'm not saying it would be beneficial. I'm just saying I don't think it kills the medium. I think vtubers in China could publish their name (does this law actually say they need to publish a photo too or is that you exaggerating?) and carry on the same, and I'm baffled that they'd rather stop streaming than do that.

Say you don’t watch Airi without saying it, she can’t leave her situation due to some circumstance (VISA sponsorship, maybe expensive healthcare needs for her autistic brother, we don’t know the exact details) and it isn’t “misery porn” as you described previously. Sure it may be the only thing you hear everyone pity her for, but that just goes to show you don’t watch her streams to hear her yap about slimes or the Korean political climate

I'm trying to not watch her! I see more of her than I want because she's in a lot of Clara's streams, and because people pitypost about her on here.

What is your point about anonymity? That they shouldn’t have it at all or that 2.5D is the future?

I think corpos completely hiding their talents' existence is not viable and a sign of a black company. (And I think most fans already realise that on some level - the good corpos that treat their talents well already treat PL info as an open secret). Beyond that I don't really care about anonymity (if you're just streaming entertainment) and don't think it matters, and I think it's weird when people say it's some kind of essential heart of vtubing. Personally I prefer to know who someone is (and if someone starts getting political then I think it does become important to know what background they're coming from), but if a given talent wants to stay pseudonymous then that's fine too and plenty of fans apparently like that.

we all saw how jewdol went around screaming to the high heavens about who their talents used to be as a marketing ploy.

And how much good did it do them? The medium already works like this in practice. I just get annoyed at all the sekrit knowledge kabuki around it.

 

[Brosnan Pierce Brosnan]

Loki-sama bodycam streams might finally make me try to learn Japanese... What can silly principles like disliking fleshposting do in the face of that voice/body/model triple threat?

When in danger of Japanese Yellow fever infection I just think of one thing

What their teeth probably look like

 

[Aquatic Novellite]

Archive to preserve Capippalist degeneracy for the ages.