General Thread v4mirai: Brought to you by Brave

[bothyourhouses]

I watch Airi because I hope to someday hear she's leaving her underpaid black company job, and her 2-3 hour commute, and the burning hellhole that is Los Angeles,

But you must realise by now that she won't.

Why are you acting like not using or showing anywhere their legal name and face is something that vtubing corporations invented for the sole purpose of being able to exploit their employees?

Because as a matter of history if you look back at Kizuna Ai that's exactly what it is?
Some people get some benefit from using a stage name and/or hiding their faces, sure, and I've got nothing against them doing that if they want (though I still think they should be credited under a stage name that the talent controls, there's literally no excuse for not doing that). But the fact remains that it literally is something that corporations invented so that they would have more power and the talents would have less.

We know for a fact that bigger companies will hire you from a smaller company despite not being officially credited, which means your entire point about exploitation is completely invalid. It's not unheard of for a vtuber to change multiple companies, sometimes going from a defunct one, meaning there is no official way to confirm you are who you are and yet they don't struggle to find employment.

Some people manage to leverage their experience despite not being credited, sure, especially if they're changing jobs within the vtuber industry. Doesn't mean it doesn't make things harder. And plenty of extremely talented vtubers from defunct companies do struggle to find employment.

 

[frz]

In vtubing, there seems to be a pretty good correlation between companies treating their talents well and companies being successful over the long-term, and vice versa. Treating your talents badly and exploiting them is poor long-term strategy, it means you won't attract quality talents (they can do better elsewhere), you won't retain the talents you do have (they will quit or move elsewhere), and the talents are less incentivized to put in their best efforts for the company.

disclaimer: only in EN
nijiJP is still the most earning company despite treating their talent like craps.
and there is a new wave of vtubing companies in japan that treats vtubers as recycled waste and they have millions of dollars/conglomerate funding like bond/iriam/etc. Each of these currently has like 1000 vtubers in their "non"-payroll.

If you believe their financial results they are making good money. I personally don't trust capitalist self-reports, but somewhere in the back of my head fear that they are actually telling the truth, that they are making sustainable money and they are here to fuck over everything forever.

Hololive may not lose to them. But thousands of unsuspecting vtubers will go quietly into the night, never making livable wage while being abused by them.

yes we reached the point where Brave is the good guy.

 

[RestlessRain]

But the fact remains that it literally is something that corporations invented so that they would have more power and the talents would have less.

Corpos and talents are actually equal under the current arrangement. The corpo has a vested interest in keeping the talent with their company to continue monetarily benefitting from the IP. If that talent leaves, the IP is no longer usable and they lose the time and effort spent advertising the corpo. It actually works that the talent has to maintain anonymity.

I'm not sure what happens in an environment where corpos are advertising actual people and those people can leave while benefitting so easily from all the advertising and resources of the old corpo. Do talents just get saddled with onerous contracts that give them huge amounts of debt should they quit instead, like how they do with Korean idol industry? I really doubt that removing this anonymity would be better for anyone involved.

 

[Svarog]

Dena chatting


Ronja playing Dog's Life

Youtube link

 

[Limkin]

And plenty of extremely talented vtubers from defunct companies do struggle to find employment.

The more you talk the more you just sound like a groomer who is upset that it's not as easy to contact a vtuber as it could be. Because I am yet to see an explanation how using their legal name and a real photo would benefit a vtuber. All you do is keep going how it's exploitative and this girls are so abused, while picking as an example a company that died because of their treatment of IP and vtuber in question didn't evaporate with no job either

 

[DanchousLoyalHamu]

SHIROGANE NOEL HAS HIT 2 MILLION SUBSCRIBERS!!


Very happy to see Danchou finally reach such an incredible milestone. Now heres hoping she can somehow get to 3mil one day.

Also here is a clip of Danchou talking about the kind of men she likes.

 

[ponwolf]

But you must realise by now that she won't.

Some people get some benefit from using a stage name and/or hiding their faces, sure, and I've got nothing against them doing that if they want (though I still think they should be credited under a stage name that the talent controls, there's literally no excuse for not doing that).

Some people manage to leverage their experience despite not being credited, sure, especially if they're changing jobs within the vtuber industry. Doesn't mean it doesn't make things harder. And plenty of extremely talented vtubers from defunct companies do struggle to find employment.

Say you don’t watch Airi without saying it, she can’t leave her situation due to some circumstance (VISA sponsorship, maybe expensive healthcare needs for her autistic brother, we don’t know the exact details) and it isn’t “misery porn” as you described previously. Sure it may be the only thing you hear everyone pity her for, but that just goes to show you don’t watch her streams to hear her yap about slimes or the Korean political climate

What is your point about anonymity? That they shouldn’t have it at all or that 2.5D is the future? I’m not a twitch watcher but there was a point brought up by pokimane that she pays 5 figures A MONTH just to protect herself from schizos, and sure she’s an outlier because she’s one of the most popular streamers, but look at Camila who had a stalker show up to her house.

Vtubing is just a medium to allow people to express themselves without needing to be put on a pedestal/shunned for how they look irl, just if your personality and model can appeal to people.

 

[Phantasm]

 

[ValkyrieAce]

All I see is a chubby Shiori

So Shiori?

 

[dumdum did nothing wrong]

assuming dizzy is telling the truth about visiting lumi, would she drive or take a last minute plane to lumi?

That's very sweet of Dizzy. She also ordered Ember food for Valentine kinda sucks hearing how awful her family is to her beside her brother because underneath the menhera is a very sweet person.

 

[Lurker McSpic]

If Airi counts as "misery porn", then call me Eli Roth

the niiggers who claim airi's content is pity bait don't even watch her. She just tells you about the colossal shits fate dumps on her, says "it is what it is" and then goes on an unrelated tangent for 20 minutes. The best way I can put it is that she just informs chat about it and moves on. Dizzy is the one who pity baits probably every stream and still does from what people post here. If airi wanted to truly pity bait we would've heard the exact details on why she can't leave her work and use her brother too for pity bucks.

 

[Sankisei]

though I still think they should be credited under a stage name that the talent controls

>Join Top JP corpo and make them waste money to advertise your debut and 1st year as a vtuber >CV:Stage Name
>Graduate in tour 1st Anniv. Because people will follow you no matter what
>Profit

 

[NeneLOVE]

But you must realise by now that she won't.

Because as a matter of history if you look back at Kizuna Ai that's exactly what it is?
Some people get some benefit from using a stage name and/or hiding their faces, sure, and I've got nothing against them doing that if they want (though I still think they should be credited under a stage name that the talent controls, there's literally no excuse for not doing that). But the fact remains that it literally is something that corporations invented so that they would have more power and the talents would have less..

Everyone else has already verbalized everything I would've replied to this post way better than I could so I'll just settle for memeing at you.

SQUEAL MORE LITTLE PIGGY

 

[Willemshaven]

Suisei talks about what the re-run of her her sololive at Budokan means.


Animation of Ao talking about getting along with Marine.


Miko and Subaru bring up an old Tweet from 2019 where Miko would reveal her panties if she got 3535 retweets.


Kronii and Mumei have conversation in Japanese.

 

[Superduper Samurai]

I honestly doubt the anonymity or general keyfaybe actually stops talent from advertising who or what they were to people who are slightly more inclined to keep private info like other employers
its possible, but i somewhat doubt there are clauses or ways to disallow you to say you were voicing Ching-Chang McPrettymelt for 3 years and earned 3 billion yen in akasupa total when you change careers or bounce to other agencies

 

[NeneLOVE]

Revealing identities would benefit corpos MORE imo, we all saw how jewdol went around screaming to the high heavens about who their talents used to be as a marketing ploy.

I would loooooove for all agencies to just poach talent from other corps and the only selling point to be that "they're already famous! And you already like them! Give us your wallet!"

Wouldn't it be fucking AMAZING if all corpos were like vshojo and they just traded the same 200 popular people around?! What a wonderful vision of the future!

 

[Limkin]

I honestly doubt the anonymity or general keyfaybe actually stops talent from advertising who or what they were to people who are slightly more inclined to keep private info like other employers
its possible, but i somewhat doubt there are clauses or ways to disallow you to say you were voicing Ching-Chang McPrettymelt for 3 years and earned 3 billion yen in akasupa total when you change careers or bounce to other agencies

You don't even need to do that, if you are a recruiter and you can't be bothered to check the usual sites for where this random indie, who is somehow followed by half of your company, has been working before it's a you problem

 

[Abomination]

That's very sweet of Dizzy. She also ordered Ember food for Valentine kinda sucks hearing how awful her family is to her beside her brother because underneath the menhera is a very sweet person.

She may act a certain way on stream, but Dizzy has proven multiple times that she really does go above and beyond and cares a lot for the others. Obviously why all of them always have nice things to say about her.

 

[Smelliest007]

Anycolor has a magazine. It's only online and not in print, but the quality of articles is pretty good and it has background info and interviews that a lot of superfans would be interested in.

Which brings me to this article which was released just today about the two headlining NijiFes concerts with Hoshikawa Sara, Lauren Iroas, Sonny and Elira.
There is an English version of the interview at the bottom.


They have also released teasers for the outfits of the EN participants:

Spoiler: The rest of them

Elira again. How much are they gonna shill that bitch?

 

[SpringKusa]

Also here is a clip of Danchou talking about the kind of men she likes.

without watching the clip, is it about her brother in some way?