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VIRTUX - CEO admits to watching gay porn, MS Paint level announcement.
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For the record I did email them asking about their company registration and whether they're going to work under the typical agency model but I haven't got a reply. Given everything I think it's safe to assume they're just a "group" for now and not a full agency. I generally don't care how groups operate since there's no money or contracts involved. On the other hand, they do cite "labour regulations" rather than common sense for the answer to the question about minors so I could be wrong.
For the record I did email them asking about their company registration and whether they're going to work under the typical agency model but I haven't got a reply. Given everything I think it's safe to assume they're just a "group" for now and not a full agency. I generally don't care how groups operate since there's no money or contracts involved. On the other hand, they do cite "labour regulations" rather than common sense for the answer to the question about minors so I could be wrong.
Virtux just shared their revenue split.
With a 15% revenue share for the company which includes promotion, their only profit will be with merch. Man i really hope the gay porn lover knows how to print money because i really dont see how they will become successful without money
With a 15% revenue share for the company which includes promotion, their only profit will be with merch. Man i really hope the gay porn lover knows how to print money because i really dont see how they will become successful without money
It's a 15% minimum, but up to 50% under certain unclear circumstances. It's really unclear in my opinion.
So if I buy my own debut assets and don't do any "talent projects" (whatever that means), will I get 85%?
Yeah... so they're going to take more deoending on how professional you want your debut stream to be...
I would assume the " talent projects " would go to covering a song all they way to buying certain video games since starter agencies usually dont have that much money to buy their talents games and stuff. These small agencies should really stop being vague and just straight up do a 50/50 or even 60/40 and pay everything the talents need. I feel like that a cowards technique of saying " hey if you dont make enough money we will guve you less
The thing is that most of these small agencies don't have the money to do this lol
Yeah i know. Thats why im saying take more. And offer them what they need in a reasonable manner of course. I understand people believe they can start from scratch but in a saturared industry like vtubers its hard to make money if you dont have some to start with.
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I agree completely. There's also an issue where Talent A might feel slighted because they found out that Talent B has a better split despite seemingly getting the same benefits and that sort of thing.
A single split with a clear list of what the company will and will not cover might mean less money going to the talent in some cases but it would also mean a much smaller chance of confusion.
tl;dr on the revenue share: "i dunno lol"
If this guy thinks he's going to be able to afford to fund all the shit he's promising on 15% of a few 2views' income he's absolutely deluded (since as we've established from the sloppy presentation up to this point, he likely has little-to-no startup capital of his own to buy them time to grow), and the vague base split vs. variable split situation is him leaving the door open to make shit up as he goes along. The fact he's even published this is him wanting to have his cake and eat it.
I can't say for sure this is a malicious black company since these problems seem more like an amateurish lack of foresight, but one belief I stand behind strongly is that, when you're taking on long-term contractors, negligence is just as much of a character flaw as malice - especially when they're working in the public eye like this. He's had a short-sighted "wouldn't it be cool if-" idea which he absolutely does not have the means to support, and he's gambling other people's reputations and careers on it.
If this guy thinks he's going to be able to afford to fund all the shit he's promising on 15% of a few 2views' income he's absolutely deluded (since as we've established from the sloppy presentation up to this point, he likely has little-to-no startup capital of his own to buy them time to grow), and the vague base split vs. variable split situation is him leaving the door open to make shit up as he goes along. The fact he's even published this is him wanting to have his cake and eat it.
I can't say for sure this is a malicious black company since these problems seem more like an amateurish lack of foresight, but one belief I stand behind strongly is that, when you're taking on long-term contractors, negligence is just as much of a character flaw as malice - especially when they're working in the public eye like this. He's had a short-sighted "wouldn't it be cool if-" idea which he absolutely does not have the means to support, and he's gambling other people's reputations and careers on it.
At this point I'd consider any sort of ridiculous revenue split (somehow always associated with small print) a red flag. Businesses exist to make money, they're not charities, and any that pretend to be the latter are to be avoided.
The moment you make a big fanfare about how great your deal is, everyone knows you're bullshitting.
Okay, Idol Corp, but they did it two generations in and with the clear intent to fuck their competition, plus it has Rin, and I strongly suspect Gin went over the offered contract with Rin and would've told Aviel to fuck off and die in Gaza if it was bullshit.
An upstart with zero gens? Fuck off.
The moment you make a big fanfare about how great your deal is, everyone knows you're bullshitting.
Okay, Idol Corp, but they did it two generations in and with the clear intent to fuck their competition, plus it has Rin, and I strongly suspect Gin went over the offered contract with Rin and would've told Aviel to fuck off and die in Gaza if it was bullshit.
An upstart with zero gens? Fuck off.
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I was going to call the gay a degenerate but that would be redundant.
It can be a warning of one of two things: either they're just straight-up a malicious black company who're twisting the figures, or they're run by pozzed socialists who absolutely refuse to be the "bad guy" by reining in unprofitable ventures. The latter's not just a vtuber corpo thing either, look at how Egoraptor employed like fifty random LA "friends" to come into his office to work on their passion projects, while having to open a Patreon and clickbait/algo-pander to keep the business running despite the channel having over five million subs.
Some people just aren't fit to run businesses.
So one of the new Virtuxes is apparently an "invader" called LuLuTheBard, a deer boy whose gimmick seems to be "lol drugs."
You know, because so many people like hanging out with stoners in their free time. Especially people with disposable income.
You know, because so many people like hanging out with stoners in their free time. Especially people with disposable income.
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Virtux seems to have collapsed today. Credit to Bronze for mentioning it first in the main thread.
Talents and managers are announcing graduations/separations and some are dropping GDocs:
https://ghostarchive.org/archive/iU9sc
https://ghostarchive.org/archive/Ca9EI
https://ghostarchive.org/archive/xUh08
https://ghostarchive.org/archive/EmHNI
More certainly to come. Cubano says he's archiving the Google docs.
Possibly related but they fired two talents last month in a way I found particularly stupid:
ghostarchive.org
If you check out the replies you'll see the CEO actually replied to me and tried to justify the message.
Talents and managers are announcing graduations/separations and some are dropping GDocs:
https://ghostarchive.org/archive/iU9sc
https://ghostarchive.org/archive/Ca9EI
https://ghostarchive.org/archive/xUh08
https://ghostarchive.org/archive/EmHNI
More certainly to come. Cubano says he's archiving the Google docs.
Possibly related but they fired two talents last month in a way I found particularly stupid:
Archiving in progress.....
ghostarchive.org
If you check out the replies you'll see the CEO actually replied to me and tried to justify the message.
Having the business blindness to join something that's clearly not going to work and ending up surprised. Boy I should start a scam of my own, I'm sure I could rope in a dozen or so actual retards even if my business plan is obvious theft.
I guess Cubano's off eating a torta or something so here's some Google docs and archives. Let me know if I missed any. I've only read/skimmed Skari's so far. She accuses Reii of being very slow in responding to questions, being slow and/or lying about contacting/paying artists and riggers, not following through on a promise to buy her a gaming PC, and most bizarrely claiming to be besties with Gunrun and that VShojo and Virtux were going to announce a partnership in the summer.
Skari: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BXiTutSbaLX6dTp6uQxQVSNvz47sVgVMVSmVYW7ubzI/edit?tab=t.0
Vixie: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12kPilC4KTgoIj9x2R6mIez1AsgzJHPfZuW92vBnFsBQ/edit?tab=t.0
Inky: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zkvH4VgRcXxwDeAZ8SYQk7oNQrk2iY4vdisHyB024Yc/edit?tab=t.0
Kiri Staryear: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rHUG4PymcsHxfvlAPP87WBlPCqM6dHauikhLXg6dKyw/edit?tab=t.0
Vixie and Scari's PDFs were too big to upload here so here's catbox archives for Vixie's and Scari's.
Skari: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BXiTutSbaLX6dTp6uQxQVSNvz47sVgVMVSmVYW7ubzI/edit?tab=t.0
Vixie: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12kPilC4KTgoIj9x2R6mIez1AsgzJHPfZuW92vBnFsBQ/edit?tab=t.0
Inky: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zkvH4VgRcXxwDeAZ8SYQk7oNQrk2iY4vdisHyB024Yc/edit?tab=t.0
Kiri Staryear: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rHUG4PymcsHxfvlAPP87WBlPCqM6dHauikhLXg6dKyw/edit?tab=t.0
Vixie and Scari's PDFs were too big to upload here so here's catbox archives for Vixie's and Scari's.
All the testimonies + 1 artist that got fucked
Backup
The archives links are on the .txt
CEO statement (archive)
Backup
The archives links are on the .txt
CEO statement (archive)
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An interesting tweet by one of the managers quoting Reii's post with some incriminating screenshots where he's angry that the talents were in a call together venting as the company was falling apart. Props to Proctor for sharing this one in the groomcord.
Cubano claims to have found even more Google docs. I've read through a couple more from his archive and they were primarily repeating the same points - late payments, unfulfilled promises, extended periods of no communication. This looks like a classic case of a guy thinking of how much fun it would be to run a vtuber agency and not realizing that it was also going to involve a lot of not-so-fun responsibility, expenses, and work until it was way too late (coughAvielcough).
Cubano claims to have found even more Google docs. I've read through a couple more from his archive and they were primarily repeating the same points - late payments, unfulfilled promises, extended periods of no communication. This looks like a classic case of a guy thinking of how much fun it would be to run a vtuber agency and not realizing that it was also going to involve a lot of not-so-fun responsibility, expenses, and work until it was way too late (coughAvielcough).
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Hey, leave that CEO guy alone. Whacking off to gay porn eats up a lot of time ya know.
An interesting tweet by one of the managers quoting Reii's post with some incriminating screenshots where he's angry that the talents were in a call together venting as the company was falling apart. Props to Proctor for sharing this one in the groomcord.
Cubano claims to have found even more Google docs. I've read through a couple more from his archive and they were primarily repeating the same points - late payments, unfulfilled promises, extended periods of no communication. This looks like a classic case of a guy thinking of how much fun it would be to run a vtuber agency and not realizing that it was also going to involve a lot of not-so-fun responsibility, expenses, and work until it was way too late (coughAvielcough).
Hey, leave that CEO guy alone. Whacking off to gay porn eats up a lot of time ya know.
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