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The Offkai 2024 Blacklisting Debacle (and other possible scandals)

Paladin

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Joined:  Jan 5, 2023
I think dragging up some reddit post from 10 years ago and using it as evidence this furry is gonna dox people is a pretty big reach
It's a furry there, not some of the most rational people to begin with, and also, given what we know about his background, there's almost certainly a backdoor of some kind. Now I'm I am not a computer wiz but I take it on good authority that backdoors could also be found and exploited by people with much worse intentions.
 

Planetary Bombardment

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Joined:  Jan 7, 2023
I don't think fish gives a shit about a couple of indies and dramafags getting into a slapfight with commiefornian interns unless it seriously affects his earnings from the event or PR.
Brother I think you are conflating issues. My concerns are not about my heckin' holy based Queen Kirsche getting blacklisted. My concerns about about the significant attack vectors represented by having backdoors in the organizational software and the brand risk associated with being able to shitcan 'uncomfortable' people. If it is indeed true that OffKai already floated the idea of banning Pippa and had to be tardwrangled into backing down there are problems totally unrelated to Holy Culture War Crusade.
 

Nenélove

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Brother I think you are conflating issues. My concerns are not about my heckin' holy based Queen Kirsche getting blacklisted. My concerns about about the significant attack vectors represented by having backdoors in the organizational software and the brand risk associated with being able to shitcan 'uncomfortable' people. If it is indeed true that OffKai already floated the idea of banning Pippa and had to be tardwrangled into backing down there are problems totally unrelated to Holy Culture War Crusade.
Holy fucking shit are the offkai interns russian hackers now?

Offkai suddenly became a villanous organization right out of Austin Powers damn.
 

MerelyTourist

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It's a furry there, not some of the most rational people to begin with, and also, given what we know about his background, there's almost certainly a backdoor of some kind. Now I'm I am not a computer wiz but I take it on good authority that backdoors could also be found and exploited by people with much worse intentions.
It's his own platform. He don't need any backdoors when he he have full access to database and all (if any present) encryption keys.
 

Planetary Bombardment

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Holy fucking shit are the offkai interns russian hackers now?
Offkai suddenly became a villanous organization right out of Austin Powers damn.
Strawman, sir. The OffKai interns are nothing more than opinionated people with whom I disagree. The OffKai organizers want to keep their volunteer pool viable and also continue to look attractive to sponsors. My concerns:
  1. The software they're using for organization and database management is controlled by a single individual with a history of breaking and/or leaking things when he gets upset or someone criticizes him. This is consistent with my own experience with open-source projects and doesn't require some kind of state-sponsored actor (Russian hackers) to be involved.
  2. The organizers have demonstrated that their available volunteer labor pool is so small that the volunteers' individual political leanings need to be considered to keep them on board. This is almost understandable for a fledgeling convention but as they grow there needs to be some shedding of feathers.
 

Hff201

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I don't think fish gives a shit about a couple of indies and dramafags getting into a slapfight with commiefornian interns unless it seriously affects his earnings from the event or PR. If he's smart I mean. Idk why you guys are championing him likes he's some sort of "based" hero who is gonna fix offkai, I wouldn't be surprised if fish is completely uninterested in politics and only allows the shit that goes on in phase because they don't get cancelled for it and it actually makes him more money.

Reminder that this con has been openly infested by the woke brigade since the beginning, kirsche getting banned didn't suddenly make them go hard left and I am very much sure the organizers and plenty of the attendees are left-leaning to various degrees.
Oh he's absolutely there to market his talents and collect goodwill from sponsoring the vendors above anything else, and I can't fault him for that at all - but having this option available means it's in his interest to not want the convention to implode on itself.

OffKai's picking up controversies at a concerning rate, from the incompetence last year affecting a lot of the shows, to staff shortages, to the political blacklisting, and now to privacy concerns. These controversies are still somewhat contained right now since they're mostly just being talked about in drama posts here and on political YouTube channels the average vtuber fan won't give a shit about, but it's also a wakeup call that the convention needs to course-correct before the dam bursts and something happens more publicly.

I don't necessary expect Sakana to step up and be the hero who fixes all the problems, he may well prefer to just quietly dip out if it goes to shit rather than spend time wrangling con staff. I just also realise that right now he's in a position where Phase has a lot of influence over OffKai, and if he wanted to put pressure on them to sort their shit out it would provide him with an easy annual marketing opportunity that's otherwise at risk of going away.
 
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Clown Penis

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I think dragging up some reddit post from 10 years ago and using it as evidence this furry is gonna dox people is a pretty big reach
Agreed.

On the other hand, this is a furfag.

Why would you trust a furry?

:guraeating:


It's a furry there, not some of the most rational people to begin with, and also, given what we know about his background, there's almost certainly a backdoor of some kind. Now I'm I am not a computer wiz but I take it on good authority that backdoors could also be found and exploited by people with much worse intentions.
I hate that I read the bolded and immediately realized this was unintended double-entendre.
 

ex_lurker

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It's a furry there, not some of the most rational people to begin with, and also, given what we know about his background, there's almost certainly a backdoor of some kind. Now I'm I am not a computer wiz but I take it on good authority that backdoors could also be found and exploited by people with much worse intentions.
This is like saying Proctor has a backdoor to the forum. The platform is hosted on his own server, using his own database, of course he has access to all the data (and needs to in order to do maintenance and improve the service).

Reminder for the non technically inclined: you should assume that if you do not host a service yourself, someone else has access to the data that you shared on it, including any private messages, uploaded files, etc.

The only exception would be some apps that use end to end encryption (like WhatsApp or Signal) but if the app is closed source, you kinda have to take them at their word that they're properly encrypting your communications and not leaking info (intentionally or not).
 
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GOD'S STRONGEST BUILDERBEAR

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Most of them werent even born early 2000. Wake up boomer, its '24 dudes born 2008 can vote in some countries now
 

The Proctor

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VSoyBoy

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Nenélove

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Planetary Bombardment

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Is that supposed to help her case?
It won't, but I suppose that was your point.

Doesn't stonetoss make anti-rightwinger comics? Why is he reposting this?
He doesn't make explicitly any-wing comics but reddit thinks he's a Nazi so this'll definitely go into the "Kirsche is a Nazi" pile.
 

x Hades Stamps

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It's always hard to judge since we're past the point it could happen. I could see that having maybe been pushed by a small fringe if she stayed Pikamee but who knows. I actually feel like the bigger take away would be that none of them regretted a single thing and felt entirely vindicated because she came back. It "didn't matter" they were lying sacks of shit causing her stress because "It wasn't that bad, she came back and was already planning to graduate!" That part's more relevant to me than the what ifs. I think it's important to realize and remember what type of people they are then treat them as such. Which frankly I feel a lot of the time is to laugh at them while you show off they're garbage human beings.
Ugh, I hate that sentiment. Regardless of whether or not they contributed, they still harassed her, which is never OK, and also did a lot of damage to themselves, as well as completely innocent people caught in the crossfire.
i don't think so, at most they have mangement info, holo is pretty airtight and for talents it gonna be "here's stream link, start it at X o'clock, be on immediate response, obey people on screen"
With Cover, they 99.9% guaranteed don’t have that information. However, others where we don’t know how tight they are on security? Who knows?
Phase isn't Holo.
Exactly this. Same for any agency that isn’t Hololive Production.
 

Aquatic Novellite

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He doesn't make explicitly any-wing comics
I worry about what you think any-wing is if you don't think Stonetoss qualifies.

If you're any-wing, fine. But believing that Stonetoss isn't wingy as fuck is flat out reality denial and so far out of touch with people outside your own bubble, you might as well be living on Mars.
 

VSoyBoy

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Joined:  Feb 16, 2024
I worry about what you think any-wing is if you don't think Stonetoss qualifies.

If you're any-wing, fine. But believing that Stonetoss isn't wingy as fuck is flat out reality denial and so far out of touch with people outside your own bubble, you might as well be living on Mars.
Yeah, people are incredibly averse to labelling their own cause or opinion a "wing", because it's only associated with negative things in modern media, on both sides.

Like even if you don't want to go down the racism route, Stonetoss comics obviously represent traditionally right-wing topics like nuclear/traditional family values and life without fun things such as Femboys.

Edit: Man, I actually went through some of them and god damn, I thought he at least was a bit more subtle than this. No way anyone actually thinks he's not right-wing right? Why are all the characters he draws men made out of straw? Weird choice. Also he's not really a fan of the community, is he?
 
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bunniedoll

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Joined:  May 13, 2024
Edit: Man, I actually went through some of them and god damn, I thought he at least was a bit more subtle than this. No way anyone actually thinks he's not right-wing right? Why are all the characters he draws men made out of straw? Weird choice. Also he's not really a fan of the community, is he?

The palworld one got me tbh
The rest feel a little one note, he needs new material. It gets a bit old after the first fifty "lol woke" jokes
I am curious how much he's lost buying nfts tho


I'm a bit disappointed it's only gen 3 for phase meet and greets, lolis aren't my thing
 

VSoyBoy

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Joined:  Feb 16, 2024
It gets a bit old after the first fifty "lol woke" jokes
Are you familiar with the concept of a politics grifter?
If one day he stopped making these jokes, or god forbid dared to make a joke about the "other side", his audience would go "Wait, but we're here to hear about how transgender people look funny and kill themselves a lot. Or you know, the jews or something".
 

bunniedoll

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Joined:  May 13, 2024
Are you familiar with the concept of a politics grifter?
If one day he stopped making these jokes, or god forbid dared to make a joke about the "other side", his audience would go "Wait, but we're here to hear about how transgender people look funny and kill themselves a lot. Or you know, the jews or something".
Oh, definitely
It's just disappointing when it could be funny but then it's just the same thing over and over again, and not even done well
 

Void Scribas

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Joined:  Apr 27, 2024
If it is indeed true that OffKai already floated the idea of banning Pippa and had to be tardwrangled into backing down there are problems totally unrelated to Holy Culture War Crusade.
Yeah, that's the most concerning thing about all of this. People thinking that they wanted to ban Kirsche for being political and not for being rightwing political are retarted. There are lefties inside OffKai, and as many leftists that enter in neutral/apolitical organization they start, they had to, engage in some Antonio Gramsci faggotry.

Pippa only saved herself because of the fish, but indie vtuber that had made some edgy jokes or had made fun of game journo are not so safe.
 
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