Sakamata Chloe Graduation/Permanent Hiatus/Thingy & Hololive Doomposting Containment Chamber

[Hotdogs Aplenty]

I would have expected Laplus over Chloe. Then again, I would have expected Gura over Ame, yet here we are.

Gura may as well stay in Cover and not stream and maybe get a free trip to Japan vs being an indie and not stream (aka a nobody)

 

[Egg the Boiled]

Something does seem wrong at Hololive. I can't imagine it's all the concerts, I'm sure talents would've signed up knowing they'd be working towards them, but who knows. I know the management is different and no one really cares about the homos, but it does make me think about the difficulties they've been having too.

Saying it's because of a DEI shift is absolutely ridiculous though. There's so many reasons that a company can turn to shit beyond having a push for diversity. Please take your meds.

 

[Limkin]

Saying it's because of a DEI shift is absolutely ridiculous though. There's so many reasons that a company can turn to shit beyond having a push for diversity. Please take your meds.

The one company that actually cares what investors have to say fired a troon. That's all anyone need to know about how much they care

 

[Willemshaven]

Translated clip of Kanata talking and sharing her feelings about Chloe's decision. As for the Kanaken 3D concert, it will take place sometime before January 26th.

 

[Superduper Samurai]

I think Chloe's past of a difficult health situation somewhat makes me doubt its entirely on Cover fucking up or having issues, we will never get a full story but the Orca missing her first graduation due to heavy issues and having random hiatus-es in the past really makes me think.

I know its an obvious indicator but for this time i dont know if its a confident indication of trouble in paradise.

 

[Hff201]

I think the increase in graduations this far in was kind of inevitable really, since it's been long enough that the people who got into it during the boom are naturally going to start feeling like they've run their course and look for other options. This industry moves absurdly quickly and is pretty much unrecognisable from what it was three years ago for both better and worse. That filters people.

Is it time to start dooming? I don't know, talent graduations becoming more frequent now could mean there's a problem, but it could also just be because there's more talents in general now. The "differences in direction" trend is concerning but without knowing how the talents who're still there feel about these changes it's hard to tell if it really is just a subjective preference for the quieter days when the company was smaller, or if there are developing management issues.

 

[roktofferson]

 

[Kazuma]

Man...

 

[lolwatagain]

I think the "differences in direction" may have something to do with policies made to appease shareholders. Probably the same group of people asking "why don't we just recast for graduated IP instead?" I feel like the "Affiliate" status was partially made to appease them and remove pressure as well. Because now they can say "well, we can't recast, because they'll be coming back at some point in the future."

I'm sure WACTOR's shitty practices are emboldening soulless suits who made all of their money in the entertainment business, since they have an example to point to.

 

[furaibou]

Chloe will be graduating from streaming on January 26th. She will become an affiliate afterwards.


Note from management as well:

An Announcement to Our Fans Regarding the Conclusion of Sakamata Chloeâs Channel Activities | hololive production

The official website of hololive production, a VTuber agency that consists of the talent groups hololive and HOLOSTARS.This page features the 'An Announcement to Our Fans Regarding the Conclusion of Sakamata Chloeâs Channel Activities' section of our website.

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Well...fuck. Was hoping to have a holiday season unspoiled by a "graduation".

 

[Brosnan Pierce Brosnan]

While I wouldn't 100% rule it out I don't think DEI doom and gloom is quite the ticket yet. Generally we see that take hold when a company begins to falter hard which cover hasn't quite yet

Besides blackrock invests in everything. Hell my old job was too and did that turn into a DEI nightmare? I mean 1000% yes but-

 

[Superduper Samurai]

I think the "differences in direction" may have something to do with policies made to appease shareholders. Probably the same group of people asking "why don't we just recast for graduated IP instead?" I feel like the "Affiliate" status was partially made to appease them and remove pressure as well. Because now they can say "well, we can't recast, because they'll be coming back at some point in the future."

I'm sure WACTOR's shitty practices are emboldening soulless suits who made all of their money in the entertainment business, since they have an example to point to.

I think at that point anyone savvy enough with business would be quick to point out how unpopular "soul switching" is and how WACTOR/910inc is probably not earning anything that big as far as their vtubing division goes, a quick glance at their newest crop of vtubers and their most popular original talent has 10k, their most subscribed one has a healthy 128k at a glance, but a quick gander at the vtubing wiki tells you she was one of the vtubers who had a VA switch, and she is now a 2view as a result

Souless suits are retarded, but i dont think 910 or WACTOR has enough revenue or returns to lure them into demanding the same treatment

 

[lolwatagain]

I think at that point anyone savvy enough with business would be quick to point out how unpopular "soul switching" is and how WACTOR/910inc is probably not earning anything that big as far as their vtubing division goes, a quick glance at their newest crop of vtubers and their most popular original talent has 10k, their most subscribed one has a healthy 128k at a glance, but a quick gander at the vtubing wiki tells you she was one of the vtubers who had a VA switch, and she is now a 2view as a result

Souless suits are retarded, but i dont think 910 or WACTOR has enough pull to lure them in

It's unpopular, but think about it from the perspective of a soulless entertainment producer. The amount of money you can make from a 2view IP is still more than you can get from an IP that is doing nothing besides gathering dust.

 

[Horo7618]

Hololive's problem may run deeper than simple management incompetence. If talents are seeing that leaving gives them more control, a better revenue percentage, less management autism etc, while retaining a decent audience, then you'd expect the more self-motivated ones to give leaving serious consideration, even without any "creative differences".

 

[Hff201]

Hololive's problem may run deeper than simple management incompetence. If talents are seeing that leaving gives them more control, a better revenue percentage, less management autism etc, while retaining a decent audiience, then you'd expect the more self-motivated ones to give leaving serious consideration, even without any "creative differences".

Yeah, I wouldn't rule out being tired of bureaucracy, since it's something that's probably got much worse as the company's grown. I don't care for "talent freedom" bullshit, but every scandal, legal issue, miscommunication etc. can push a company of Cover's size toward the opposite extreme, since every problem that arises brings new rules and regulations to make sure it doesn't happen again.

Even in a mostly positive working environment where everyone's operating in good faith, there's only so many times you can have an idea rejected or have a project that was 90% complete shelved because of a legal technicality before you start to wonder if it's all worth it.

 

[Aquatic Novellite]

Gotta say though, I greatly appreciate Cover giving the announcement some color, instead of the same old black text on a white background.

Good job, Cover.

 

[BlueSharkTV]

I don't know what change in directions means, but what I can tell is that there's a lot of overworking the talents going on, the one thing I can reference is how Kronii and Fauna talk about working a lot.
Kronii has talked about a lot of deadlines since the last 4 or so months to the point she didn't stream some weeks to record.
and Fauna has not been the same since her last trip to Japan, she stopped doing schedules and went from doing at least 3 or 4 streams to a full week with no streams and no communication at times.
I can kinda guess some recordings are for voice packs but those are usually not obligatory unless it's gen specific, and I have no idea what other projects they usually deal with but they seem to be a lot of work for everyone.
and keep in mind Fauna doesn't seem interested in 3D lives so her workload should be way less then those that do actually want 3D lives, yet she still seems to be working a lot more than her first 2 years.

 

[Limkin]

I can kinda guess some recordings are for voice packs but those are usually not obligatory unless it's gen specific, and I have no idea what other projects they usually deal with but they seem to be a lot of work for everyone.

Voice dramas, promotion videos for irl events, VNs or even just plain old "lets waste 4-6 hours of everyones life just sitting on a meeting and listening to shit you can't be possibly less interested". Niji really liked doing 3 hours long meetings in the middle of the night, that had so little substance no one even bothered to DM you if you missed one. It's not work but it will cut into a free time you had, when you could be doing work

 

[bothyourhouses]

JCB has been bowing in line right along with Visa/Mastercard

Huh? Where/how? You can still use them on Fantia etc.

It's not work but it will cut into a free time you had, when you could be doing work

It's work, the worst kind of work, never let someone claim it isn't.

 

[Clem the Gem]

Just wanted to save and note it down cause it's nice to finally have a more clear stance on what affiliate means.
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English version

Thank you for your continued support of the talents affiliated with hololive production.

We would like to take a moment to address some details regarding the term “conclusion of streaming activities.”

“Graduation” and “Conclusion of Streaming Activities”​

Until now, when talents end their activities with hololive production, we have always referred to it as “graduation.”

The term graduation describes when a talent is leaving the production and concluding all activities, with the exception of a few ongoing projects.
However, this complete cessation of activities is often accompanied by significant sadness brought to the fans of hololive production and its talents, who have lovingly supported their journey, and the staff who work tirelessly behind the scenes.
Therefore, we are exploring new ways to positively send off talents departing the production.

As part of this, we have introduced the concept “conclusion of streaming activities” as a possible form of graduation. While it is still a type of graduation, “conclusion of streaming activities” involves stopping streaming-related activities, such as that for YouTube and social media, and participation in events.

This approach opens the door for future opportunities where, upon mutual agreement between the production and the talent, they may make special appearances in future projects - similar to a graduate visiting their alma mater.

How much talents will participate in these kinds of projects will vary based on the circumstances of each talent and the production, and as such, the “conclusion of streaming activities” for each talent may not always be the same. We kindly ask for the understanding and patience of fans in this regard.
It is also important to note that neither of the terms “graduation” or “conclusion of streaming activities” outweigh or trump the other. Our goal as a production is to provide a meaningful and supportive new beginning for our talents, and we believe that any form of departure is a decision by the talent that is to be respected.

Towards a More Inclusive and Diverse Production​

As we celebrate the 7th anniversary of hololive production, the activities of our affiliated talents have expanded into many different areas and the unwavering support of our fans has been a tremendous source of strength for both talents and the production.
We remain committed to fostering an environment where fans can support their favorite talents as they embark on a new journey, while minimizing feelings of anxiety and sadness, and creating a brighter and more fulfilling future for all.

Thank you once again for your incredible support of hololive production and its talents.

So basically,

Will we ever hear from you again?
Graduation: "No"
Conclusion of Streaming Activities: "Also no, but we'll say yes just in case"