I mean that's just someone reciting shit they heard on /vt/ to fuck with her, it doesn't prove or disprove anything.
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Got it handy? First I've heard of it (I don't pay attention to Lumi).
I think he means this one where she overreacted to a bit message
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I went digging around for the actual clip but couldn't find itGeneral Thread v2: Enhanced Segregation Techniques!
Possible of Lia and Kaela off collab? :dokiSmug: With two such extreme ends of the autism spectrum imagining Lia talking about she wants Thresh to lock her in chains with Revali while Kaela is just dead faced says okay, get some help, or silent laughs awkwardly in confusion over whatever the...thevirtualasylum.com
Edit: Found it
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I've never seen a post read more like Twitter than this one.
Re:the lumi mod autism
I think there are valid reasons to believe where there is smoke theres a fire but some of these smell like wierd gay ops and some /vt/ posts really make me puzzled
These types of deals always have equal chances of some autist being a 300IQ shadow groomer hiding under 30 alts and also of a single schizo or group of schizos making shit up. The fact that PC or Lumi herself isnt liked by some types muddles things even harder.
I think people should wait for more to be revealed before going "hey wait a minute" on older schizo ramblings
I think there are valid reasons to believe where there is smoke theres a fire but some of these smell like wierd gay ops and some /vt/ posts really make me puzzled
These types of deals always have equal chances of some autist being a 300IQ shadow groomer hiding under 30 alts and also of a single schizo or group of schizos making shit up. The fact that PC or Lumi herself isnt liked by some types muddles things even harder.
I think people should wait for more to be revealed before going "hey wait a minute" on older schizo ramblings
@Ed O'neill @reinigen Did you guys find anything yet from the original allegations of her having the guy falsely arrested, or anything related? I've seen these 3rd party posts about it before when looking into her, but I've never seen anything about the actual event. To me, it seemed pretty accepted that she's Bunke, but the "she got a guy arrested" is what's possibly bullshit. Also, some of those posts paint it differently, like if he was "plowing underaged and giving drugs" then that's not an innocent guy.
Anyways, I don't think her wanting to bury her PL automatically makes the everything said about the PL true. If anybody has a first hand story I hope we get to hear it.
E What annoys me in these types of stories is that they always leave out the most important part. Regarding Kiki, what would matter is showing 1 the Gunj guy being arrested or charged for this type of crime 2 Kiki/Bunke, gloating about lying or something similar to show she did something wrong. Every guy who goes in for something like this tries to blame the girl or say it's a lie.
Anyways, I don't think her wanting to bury her PL automatically makes the everything said about the PL true. If anybody has a first hand story I hope we get to hear it.
E What annoys me in these types of stories is that they always leave out the most important part. Regarding Kiki, what would matter is showing 1 the Gunj guy being arrested or charged for this type of crime 2 Kiki/Bunke, gloating about lying or something similar to show she did something wrong. Every guy who goes in for something like this tries to blame the girl or say it's a lie.
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This whole Kiki discourse reminds me that gay ops have been run surrounding her for a long time. Around two years ago, I got these in my Marshmallow.
>"Opinions on Kiki being openly racist and transphobic on stream with her community?"
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I despise goatfuckers but holy hell do modern women deserve a little bit of islam. It wouldn't surprise me if this bitch was indeed catfishing niggas and blackmailing them. I still remember way back how indigo white got most of her shit banned because she found out teenagers on instagram selling nudes to people and she was reporting them. These bitches found out and ran with the "im a minor can't do wrong excuse" to get back at her.
Every time I see someone use the "x is a minor" I want to choke them. These "minors" have more knowledge and capability for malice than the minors of 30 years ago, they should be judged as any other person for the bullshit they do.
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I despise goatfuckers but holy hell do modern women deserve a little bit of islam. It wouldn't surprise me if this bitch was indeed catfishing niggas and blackmailing them. I still remember way back how indigo white got most of her shit banned because she found out teenagers on instagram selling nudes to people and she was reporting them. These bitches found out and ran with the "im a minor can't do wrong excuse" to get back at her.
Every time I see someone use the "x is a minor" I want to choke them. These "minors" have more knowledge and capability for malice than the minors of 30 years ago, they should be judged as any other person for the bullshit they do.
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I'm usually just a lurker here but I've been watching Lumi on and off for a long ass time so I figured I'd throw in what I know about Sei seeing as he was brought up.
Back in Cyberlive Lumi had a mod named Seishirou. She actually had way more mods back in the day compared to the two she has now, including Virial, but drama and schizo behavior caused her to fire all of them. Sei seemed to act like your typical "groomer" mod, he wanted to have matching discord roles with Lumi, commissioned porn of her being dommed, and donated a substantial amount. You know how /vt/ is, so back then (and still to this day) people were saying that he was Lumi's BF.
Sei got exposed through some leaked twitter DMs as a schizo who was spamming threads with gore, doxxing vtubers and bragging about it while acting like a cartoon villain.
Of course this spread around, all the girls in Cyberlive found out and this soured a lot of their opinions on Lumi, thinking that she must have known what a freak this guy was. Sei's leaked DMs here:
Lumi removed the guy as mod but he rejoined her discord under a different name, Melancholic, and was around for a few months before the full logs of his schizo behavior dropped in /asp/ and he was seemingly kicked from Lumi's discord in early 2022. This is the last time he was heard from publicly that I'm aware of. I won't go into the whole Cyberlive drama and why Lumi was hated unless you want me to but it seems kind of unrelated to the topic of this thread. I will say that Vera Vee was behind some of the worst things Lumi got blamed for.
As for why Lumi got so triggered by that TTS dono, I don't want to sound like a Lumi simp but I think it was just an unfortunate case of being one guy'd by some guy bringing up years old drama that she still has trust issues over during what was supposed to be a fun outfit reveal event. Like others have mentioned the guy who sent that dono still sends her schizo TTS donos fairly regularly from new accounts and shits up /pcg/ almost daily with timeloops about Lumi.
Her current mod, Xalamon (who is also the head mod for Phase) is largely harmless other than being a femboy. He's a buzzkill who power trips and talks too much in chat but other than that much of his reputation comes from being Henri's archenemy and the general hatred and distrust for Lumi's mods that has built up over the years. He did post an IP grabber in Matoi Miia's chat once though so he still is a creep, but there isn't proof of him being a dedicated schizo doxfag like Sei was.
Back in Cyberlive Lumi had a mod named Seishirou. She actually had way more mods back in the day compared to the two she has now, including Virial, but drama and schizo behavior caused her to fire all of them. Sei seemed to act like your typical "groomer" mod, he wanted to have matching discord roles with Lumi, commissioned porn of her being dommed, and donated a substantial amount. You know how /vt/ is, so back then (and still to this day) people were saying that he was Lumi's BF.
Sei got exposed through some leaked twitter DMs as a schizo who was spamming threads with gore, doxxing vtubers and bragging about it while acting like a cartoon villain.
Of course this spread around, all the girls in Cyberlive found out and this soured a lot of their opinions on Lumi, thinking that she must have known what a freak this guy was. Sei's leaked DMs here:
Lumi removed the guy as mod but he rejoined her discord under a different name, Melancholic, and was around for a few months before the full logs of his schizo behavior dropped in /asp/ and he was seemingly kicked from Lumi's discord in early 2022. This is the last time he was heard from publicly that I'm aware of. I won't go into the whole Cyberlive drama and why Lumi was hated unless you want me to but it seems kind of unrelated to the topic of this thread. I will say that Vera Vee was behind some of the worst things Lumi got blamed for.
As for why Lumi got so triggered by that TTS dono, I don't want to sound like a Lumi simp but I think it was just an unfortunate case of being one guy'd by some guy bringing up years old drama that she still has trust issues over during what was supposed to be a fun outfit reveal event. Like others have mentioned the guy who sent that dono still sends her schizo TTS donos fairly regularly from new accounts and shits up /pcg/ almost daily with timeloops about Lumi.
Her current mod, Xalamon (who is also the head mod for Phase) is largely harmless other than being a femboy. He's a buzzkill who power trips and talks too much in chat but other than that much of his reputation comes from being Henri's archenemy and the general hatred and distrust for Lumi's mods that has built up over the years. He did post an IP grabber in Matoi Miia's chat once though so he still is a creep, but there isn't proof of him being a dedicated schizo doxfag like Sei was.
Hey, thank you lurkerfriend. We appreciate any contribution here that anyone can bring. As for the Cyberlive stuff, there's enough controversy that always seems to trace back to that place that we've considered making a thread just to have a document of it because it all seems so esoteric and lost to chan posts. If you see that pop up, feel free to contribute!
I'm pretty sure there was a reddit post trying to cancel her around the same time. It was basically just reposting the clips from her drunk musedash streams (These have all since been purged) and trying to cancel for transphobia/homophobia. Trying to find it again but i have a feeling it got purged.
Since i saw pipkun bring it up in the farms thread: She did purchase an engagement ring for her chat, even polled her /vt/ thread to choose.
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I would want this. Even if its just an effortpost on the general. Cyberlive and its ex-members keep re-appearing in new corpos and drama so having any more context on them would be great.
Thanks for the write-up. As a Lumi fan who hasn't been around as long as you, there were some missing puzzle pieces to certain incidents that your post helped clear up some.
And to add some more info, possibly related to her "seething" at the dono message, I did a write-up of a stream she did months ago where she explained how a rumor that was started about her in the past damaged her reputation, especially within music circles, and continues to do so to this day. While she says she's accepted how things are, it does piss her off when she thinks about it. This is about the gist of it, but here's the full write-up I did:
I mentioned this some in the liveposting thread, but I figured I'd post a summary of a discussion Lumi had during her stream after the stream was done:
Lumi did a handcam stream continuing on her SR-71 model. It got pretty candid today, where she talked more about her music and past drama she was involved in that still affects her to this day, especially regarding her music production. It was a little harder to catch during the stream because I was playing a game at the same time, but when going back and rewatching to take notes, you can tell she was a little down when talking about it. She usually doesn't let things bother her and doesn't really show any negative emotions, but you can tell the things she was talking about still bother her quite a bit.
She was vague about too many details, but I assume she was talking about some of the Cyberlive drama. I could be wrong, but it does make sense in that context.
The discussion started with talking about her latest cover release. Some people in chat were telling her how she needs to push her music a little more, and I think brought up certain platforms. I don't honestly know much about any of this because I usually just listen to her music on YT. According to her, she hasn't put as much into her music as she did when she first started out. She said she put a lot of time, effort, and money into being a singer in her first year of vtubing. She says she's a bit bitter sometimes because despite how hard she tries with music and how often she's recording something, people are still surprised to learn she can actually sing. She used to get a lot of comments on her releases about how people are surprised learning that she sings. She's also not really good with promoting her music, partially because she says it's against her nature to basically be pushy like that (I'm paraphrasing here). Back in Cyberlive, she would handle her releases and stuff because there wasn't really any management for that, but with Phase, she leaves all of that to the managers.
After this, she went more into something that happened in the past. Will probably bullet point my notes with this one. Please excuse the notes if they seem a bit jumbled. I typed them out as I was listening, so some of them may not seem chronologically correct, but this is how the discussion went. She was kind of going back and forth while airing out her thoughts:
- Claims she's a little controversial as a vtuber, and a long time ago, there was a rumor started about her that wasn't true.
- Says it probably wasn't done maliciously, but it spread out of proportion.
- Because the person who started the rumor is a little more well-known in music circles, it's a little too late for her to maintain good relations with more vtubers in the music sphere.
- She said: Disproving something that you didn't know about was said was about you is really hard when I had no idea that this person said something about it. I didn't know that that was the idea. And so, I only found out like a year later. And then I went 'Oh, that's why that's like that.'
- She thinks whatever was said may have been said off-handedly, and it got blown out of proportion.
- She doesn't really care much anymore, but she is a little pissed about it because it was a lie, and that she didn't find out about it until about a year ago.
- This event is kind of why she hasn't put as much effort into her music side.
- She said that maybe there's a point on her YouTube channel where we can see her discouraged, a little sad, and not caring anymore.
- That's why she's she's making music at her own pace and mostly without other people.
- She was hoping that, eventually, being talented would be enough.
- She's been ghosted by mixers and had people not wanting to work with her.
- Wondering if people randomly say things that make it harder. Probably.
- Says it's harder if you're not there to refute claims and you don't have any connections with anyone that could refute the claims. So, she's given up, and she'll do things on her own.
- The people at Phase know what I'm like, so why do I need to try my best for people who've already made their minds up about what I'm like? Doesn't matter to me anymore.
- She gets pissed when she's thinking about it, but on a daily basis, it's whatever.
- She brought up a specific example of wanting to get something done, but having to go through a convoluted process. She asked a friend to commission something for her because she really liked someone's work, but she knew for a fact that the person didn't like her very much. They never interacted, but someone else had said something about her at one point. That, or because Lumi's a misogynist (lol).
I highlighted the quote above because I think that's a very important point for her. Her chat was really supportive during this whole thing, telling her she shouldn't care about those people and such. Obviously true, but that can only do so much.
Again, she purposely kept it a bit vague, but it seems very likely this is referencing some of the things that happened with the others at Cyberlive. I actually don't remember too much about the incident with one of her mods, and I'm too lazy to dig it up, but it sounds like it could be relating to that.
I obviously can't speak for her, but despite all of this being a downer for her, she definitely seems very happy with Phase, at least. I'm sure it would be nicer for her if the false rumors didn't put a stigma on her, but she's found a good home with Phase and gets along with everyone very well there, as well as plenty of others she's friendly with outside of Phase. It's just, most of these people (Clio, Whiskey, Miia, etc) are more on the gaming side, rather than the music side. She's an incredible singer, and she likes doing it, so it's a shame she may not be pursuing it as much as she would like to because of all of this. Here's the timestamp of her stream when she starts talking about it. The part more focused on the music was right before this (I'll probably download the vod and clip the section out later to preserve a copy):
Anyway, I figure in the interest of documenting things, in particular, the Cyberlive story, this would be worth sharing. While she did mention the name Cyberlive a few times in the stream, she didn't say that any of this was a part of the Cyberlive drama, but I think it's a pretty good theory to say it's related.
To lighten things up a bit, here's a few other things:
- Her mom had a breakdown at one point over having her research stolen from her, and that person taking credit for it. Says that's why her mom is a bit crazy.
- Talked about Affirmative Action in college, and how her mom had been pissed about it for years because she wasn't able to take who she wanted at her job and had to fill quotas. Says if they complain about it, they get fired. But Lumi is allowed to complain about it and specifically called it a "problem".
- Related to the above drama: she said if she was more politically correct, she'd be so boring. She set out to make an "old Internet" space. She still thinks that's more important than being politically correct. It's worth more to her to do something that she actually cares about, like having a good time with chat on the Internet than a minor part of her streaming career, which is the music. (As said in the liveposting thread, I find it endearing she references the "old Internet" and says how she misses it.)
Allow me to end this report/essay with a funny and light-hearted clip:
And to sum it all up: Lemon Woman love.
You can call her reaction to the dono seething, overreacting, woman moment, etc, but I don't think it's all that crazy for a person to have some things in life they're bothered by and may overreact to. Whatever happened back then clearly had a negative impact on her, and I don't think it's strange for her to still harbor some negative feelings over it. Granted, she was vague about what she was talking about with the stream, so these two things could be unrelated, but even if they are unrelated, it wouldn't surprise me if there's some indirect links. But, I obviously don't have all the answers to what happened back then.
All this being said, I am clearly very biased on this particular topic, so take what I say as you will. I am definitely open to be proven wrong, but until I see concrete proof of it, and especially something more than "Lumi seethed at a dono message once", then I'll continue being biased in her favor.
I'd personally appreciate it if you guys both dumped whatever you know. Be it in the general thread, here, or somewhere like the /vt/ schizos thread on the forum. Just to document it. Part of the reason I like this forum is when guys who bothered to scrawl through the /vt/ archive catacombs surface to drop informative posts on things that may or may not be true.
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