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So you agree that the Council girls should have never debuted and Advent should have debuted instead?
I agree that your opinions are invalid phaseoid.
I agree that you are an invalid holokek.
My dick still works tho, that's all that matters
The acceleration was part of the issue, pretty much. People was still trying to get to know with Noctyx and suddenly there's ILUNA appearing. Granted, it was also offset by some enthusiasm toward NijiEN going mixed-wave gen (something that some nijifans at the time wanted it to happen) after one-gender waves before, but in hindsight it didn't really show much.
Then they debuted XSoliel and Zaion drama happened so it goes downhill from there.
Seriousface for a moment, I feel like Council was heavily nerfed by management. Mumei's stream content seems to have been restricted pretty heavily, Irys had her model debuff and management being clueless about English music output, Rrat exists for 3D concerts which didn't happen forever, and Sana was a hiring mistake.
If Council appeared at the time Advent appeared, all but the Sana issue would be significantly reduced or disappear altogether. Vice versa, if Advent appeared at the time Council did, Shiori would've been giganerfed (and probably called it quits), Nerissa forced into a damn near pure singer role only to fall flat on her face, and the retarded canines would've failed auditions because they didn't match Omega's ~lore~
It wasn't Niji tier bad, but even so, it can hardly be overstated how fucked Holo EN's management was in late 2021- late 2022, and how much fixing it helped later gens.
Council actually did pretty well despite the management nerf, all things considered.
I always found Council's issue to be that, aside from RATT, they were all Chill Streamers. That's not good to have gen be almost entirely Chill Streamers. One, maybe two, sure, but four of five? Was a bad call. Each of them individually are great, and would've been great if they were inserted into a more balanced gen, but together, it made for a weak gen. To start, anyway.
The Council Meeting streams, or whatever they were called, were fucking great, though. They felt like five longtime friends just ragging on each other. Not sure how they pulled off that vibe, but it was excellent.
The Council Meeting streams, or whatever they were called, were fucking great, though. They felt like five longtime friends just ragging on each other. Not sure how they pulled off that vibe, but it was excellent.
No, I'm just agreeing that Advent & Justice were welcome additions that allowed for a lot of fun collab chemistry in HoloEN. I don't know what you have against Promise that makes you gotta put words in my mouth like this.
Flipsie tagged mogughost on the vivi graduation announcement telling people to follow her PL. I think its retarded to do this. And sisters on twitter got really upset about it because " the corpo etiquette", but somehow their oshis dont even care themselves about the etiquette hitself. Why are nijisanji fans upset then?
There was that recent Fauna stream where she said during predebut she was sent a badly translated summary of her lore which called her a giraffe instead of a kirin. Between all that and Omega, HoloEN management was wilding at that time. Kinda crazy how different mamagement seems nowadays.
Man I've quoted @Limkin on this before but it really does seem like NijiEN has less and less fucks to give with each passing day.
I used to think a branch merger happening this winter was too soon but shit maybe? Who knows? Will we get our presents this year for Christmas, let 2024 be the Fall of NijiEN?
It's also just very different when a member from a small, tight-knit group like Council or Myth graduates. Namie showed up on Youtube the other day and it made me remember how good she is as a streamer.
If she had stayed on as Sana, I honestly think Council would've gone on to be a real golden gen cuz without her the vibes are still just kinda off. You've got a few god-tier yappers (Fauna, Mumei, Kronii), a few unhinged lunatics (Mumei, Kronii, IRyS), a few crazy talented performers (Bae, IRyS, Mumei), and five girls who are sexy as hell. But without Sana, there's no group cohesion; no cheery extrovert happily reaching out to everyone to try and play together or mediate on-stream clashes.
It's like if The Beatles lost Ringo Starr early on - three once-in-a-generation mega talents, none of them with the pure joy and emptyheadedness to write a song as simple and fun as "Octopus's Garden".
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I think it's about the boundries the streamers themselves set. Same with real life faces. Nobody is going to get angry if you post Kuro's face under his VTuber account because he set the standard that it's ok, but if you start posting Karens face under Mori posts people are going to rightly get angry.
Multiple things:
- The Enna - Quinn thing is nothing new
- Twisty is Twisty
- Ver had to remove a (pretty tame) reply to Kyrios subtweet of his outfit reveal
I dont think posting a PL account of someone who's going to go back to said PL is the same as posting the IRL face of someone. Doubly so when Sunny herself tweeted about mogu + streamed with her 2 days ago. Also Mogu's friends even pointed in certain directions so i dont think the boundaries rules apply much there.
I don't think posting about a friend on your own timeline is the same as posting about someone under an official tweet for no reason other than interaction farming (he's never watched a stream of her and will continue never watching a stream of her unless it allows him to gain some twitter clout).
Being a newcomer (reletively speaking) to VTubers, hearing all the behind the scenes stuff, even if it's considered 'common knowledge' is wild.
I had heard rumours of Holo managers being utterly incompetent and the fact that the Austrian Chicken had a hand in rightfully getting almost all of them dropped for decent ones (is this due to an experience Kiara had? Or am I misremembering?) which helped them really shine. To think looking back from now, that there was ever issues.
The main thing is which wave had the bigger issues, Holo EN Gen 1, or the second generation? Both gens had big problems (both behind the scenes and up front) so who had it 'the worst' so to speak?
I had heard rumours of Holo managers being utterly incompetent and the fact that the Austrian Chicken had a hand in rightfully getting almost all of them dropped for decent ones (is this due to an experience Kiara had? Or am I misremembering?) which helped them really shine. To think looking back from now, that there was ever issues.
The main thing is which wave had the bigger issues, Holo EN Gen 1, or the second generation? Both gens had big problems (both behind the scenes and up front) so who had it 'the worst' so to speak?
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