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VSoyBoy

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Joined:  Feb 16, 2024
Doki asked to reupload the video which Niji had basically zero copyright claims on. Music belongs to Lily, vocals belong to Doki, art belongs to artists, putting it together belongs to editor, chracters are in fair use. And niji gonna have reciepts for every drawing in order to even attempt claim otherwise.
You know, you don't need to commit to constantly saying the dumbest shit possible.
Good rule of thumb: If you think you're about to say something smart, delete it and close the browser.
 

Hff201

Pippa Fan, Failed Normalfriend
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Joined:  Sep 13, 2022
He's doing this on purpose now right? He can't actually be this retarded?
 

Koronesuki

X-Potato
Joined:  Oct 1, 2023
He's doing this on purpose now right? He can't actually be this retarded?
I honestly can't figure it out. Sometimes I read his posts and I think that he must be trolling, because he couldn't possibly be that retarded. Other times I read his posts and I think that he must actually be retarded, because no one would pretend to be that retarded just to troll an internet forum.
 

CalciumAnimal

Drink Milk
Joined:  Feb 24, 2023
WE need a bot that just posts the "i was only pretending" meme after every one of Tourists posts.
 

Pencilfreak

OG Pomu fan and former nijisister
Joined:  Jan 23, 2024
Mel case was NDA, very clear and simple, and even PR statements were apologetic.
Doki asked to reupload the video which Niji had basically zero copyright claims on. Music belongs to Lily, vocals belong to Doki, art belongs to artists, putting it together belongs to editor, chracters are in fair use. And niji gonna have reciepts for every drawing in order to even attempt claim otherwise.
The fact that something's written in the contract doesn't mean that it's correct, lawful and undisputable. And we know exactly how full of disputable bullshit niji contract is. Literally down to losing character copyright to streamer in some jurisdictions. If niji posted civil PR statement like holo, there still would be a lot of backlash and questioning. Just not as nuclear a we got, more of a same trickle that we have with all other retiree testimonies.
And your sources for this came from...
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LegalMindset.
 

frz

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Joined:  Oct 1, 2023

Murrayしないで

Just go live!
Joined:  Nov 18, 2022


Armcha1r did a stream with Rima last Friday about how NijiEN could be reformed. At about 4 hours it's one of the shorter Armcha1r streams. The general idea is to break potential ideas out into three groups: minor changes that could be done without additional expense or changes to policies, major changes that would require policy changes to enforce, and the real fantasy burn-the-house-down stuff.

I haven't seen the whole thing yet so I don't know if I'm repeating their ideas, but my major change would be to replace all current NijiEN management except maybe at the lowest level and replace them with people who are not current streamers - there should not be any rumors of talents being managers, or having any influence over managers. The "clique" rumors should be gotten to the bottom of and busted up to the best of their ability. Any messages that managers want to send to viewers will come via the managers directly rather than by using talents as mouthpieces as in the black screen stream.

My burn-down-the-house change would be to fire everyone, talent or management, involved with the Zaion and Selen termination notices and the black screen stream immediately, then implement the above.

I can't really think of any minor changes that would be useful at this point, given the scope of the problem.

Edit: Also, do whatever it takes to avoid the weird J-corpo permissions thing. If that means spinning off NijiEN to a US-based company that then licenses the Niji brand from the main company or some other stupid shit, do it. That'd be a way to pull ahead of Holo and other JP corpos with EN branches in at least one aspect.
 
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frz

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Joined:  Oct 1, 2023


Armcha1r did a stream with Rima last Friday about how NijiEN could be reformed. At about 4 hours it's one of the shorter Armcha1r streams. The general idea is to break potential ideas out into three groups: minor changes that could be done without additional expense or changes to policies, major changes that would require policy changes to enforce, and the real fantasy burn-the-house-down stuff.

I haven't seen the whole thing yet so I don't know if I'm repeating their ideas, but my major change would be to replace all current NijiEN management except maybe at the lowest level and replace them with people who are not current streamers - there should not be any rumors of talents being managers, or having any influence over managers. The "clique" rumors should be gotten to the bottom of and busted up to the best of their ability. Any messages that managers want to send to viewers will come via the managers directly rather than by using talents as mouthpieces as in the black screen stream.

My burn-down-the-house change would be to fire everyone, talent or management, involved with the Zaion and Selen termination notices and the black screen stream immediately, then implement the above.

I can't really think of any minor changes that would be useful at this point, given the scope of the problem.

The scope of problem is far beyond just management change at this point. Even major changes won't do shit.
The livers are individually unlikable in the public eyes, not just management. The current livers needs to learn japanese or spanish and branch away from the English community if they want to see growth.
At the very least all of the hanamori clique needs to be uprooted and that includes millie/enna.
 

CalciumAnimal

Drink Milk
Joined:  Feb 24, 2023


Armcha1r did a stream with Rima last Friday about how NijiEN could be reformed. At about 4 hours it's one of the shorter Armcha1r streams. The general idea is to break potential ideas out into three groups: minor changes that could be done without additional expense or changes to policies, major changes that would require policy changes to enforce, and the real fantasy burn-the-house-down stuff.

I haven't seen the whole thing yet so I don't know if I'm repeating their ideas, but my major change would be to replace all current NijiEN management except maybe at the lowest level and replace them with people who are not current streamers - there should not be any rumors of talents being managers, or having any influence over managers. The "clique" rumors should be gotten to the bottom of and busted up to the best of their ability. Any messages that managers want to send to viewers will come via the managers directly rather than by using talents as mouthpieces as in the black screen stream.

My burn-down-the-house change would be to fire everyone, talent or management, involved with the Zaion and Selen termination notices and the black screen stream immediately, then implement the above.

I can't really think of any minor changes that would be useful at this point, given the scope of the problem.

the issue is we don't actually know what the poison is. even with it being soft confirmed the mangers are the problem we have no idea how far that goes or what exactly that means outside "god thats stupid"

we wouldn't know what of niji to salvage if there is even anything worth salvaging.
 

NotDecatto

BREAK GLASS IN CASE OF MENHERA
Joined:  Oct 21, 2023


Armcha1r did a stream with Rima last Friday about how NijiEN could be reformed. At about 4 hours it's one of the shorter Armcha1r streams. The general idea is to break potential ideas out into three groups: minor changes that could be done without additional expense or changes to policies, major changes that would require policy changes to enforce, and the real fantasy burn-the-house-down stuff.

I haven't seen the whole thing yet so I don't know if I'm repeating their ideas, but my major change would be to replace all current NijiEN management except maybe at the lowest level and replace them with people who are not current streamers - there should not be any rumors of talents being managers, or having any influence over managers. The "clique" rumors should be gotten to the bottom of and busted up to the best of their ability. Any messages that managers want to send to viewers will come via the managers directly rather than by using talents as mouthpieces as in the black screen stream.

My burn-down-the-house change would be to fire everyone, talent or management, involved with the Zaion and Selen termination notices and the black screen stream immediately, then implement the above.

I can't really think of any minor changes that would be useful at this point, given the scope of the problem.

That’s a good idea, I would add on another proposal which is to either send a management representative to engage with the audience (A-chan from Hololive or Professor Vee from V4Mirai) or you deanonymize your management layer by making them have their own social media profiles like the managers at Phase Connect (CeCe, Mili, Rin etc). Currently Niji does neither and their management practically operates in a black box as far as the audience can see.
 

Smelliest007

I left Kson
Joined:  Feb 19, 2024
The scope of problem is far beyond just management change at this point. Even major changes won't do shit.
The livers are individually unlikable in the public eyes, not just management. The current livers needs to learn japanese or spanish and branch away from the English community if they want to see growth.
At the very least all of the hanamori clique needs to be uprooted and that includes millie/enna.
All of ex-hanamori needs to go. If it's unclear who is deep in the poo, might as well just take out where the obvious shitflingers are from.
 

Seth

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Fubuki's Best Friendo
Joined:  Feb 11, 2023
"Have half the branch graduate" is the best way to lose what is left of the fanbase + drowning even more into irrelevency. The only reality i see with NijiEN is the branch floating around until they become a part of the main branch. Unless Anycolor is happy with where the branch is at the moment which i doubt.
 

Superduper Samurai

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Joined:  Sep 10, 2022
The issue with graduating the black screen crew is that you lose out on two moneymakers and the face of the original EN gen in one fell swoop
 

frz

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Joined:  Oct 1, 2023
"Have half the branch graduate" is the best way to lose what is left of the fanbase + drowning even more into irrelevency. The only reality i see with NijiEN is the branch floating around until they become a part of the main branch. Unless Anycolor is happy with where the branch is at the moment which i doubt.
the idea is cut loose the current toxic fanbase and start anew
New management, new branch new company name
That is the only way to "fix" nijiEN
You can just """""not fix what isn't broken""""" and exactly what Nijisanji chose to do. They kept the same managers, same talents, same managements for NijiEN after all that drama. And debuted a new gen whom noone supported.
 

Seth

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Joined:  Feb 11, 2023
the idea is cut loose the current toxic fanbase and start anew
New management, new branch new company name
That is the only way to "fix" nijiEN
You can just """""not fix what isn't broken""""" and exactly what Nijisanji chose to do. They kept the same managers, same talents, same managements for NijiEN after all that drama. And debuted a new gen whom noone supported.
I feel like we're living in a different reality lol. This isn't "manage your corpo simulator". The talents need to put food on the table. Do you even realise what it would mean for them to start over again? The amount of money it would cost for very little rewards? There is no "fixing" to be done. Vtuber fans are too emotionally invested in this hobby to forget or forgive Nijisanji.
 

frz

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Joined:  Oct 1, 2023
I feel like we're living in a different reality lol. This isn't "manage your corpo simulator". The talents need to put food on the table. Do you even realise what it would mean for them to start over again? The amount of money it would cost for very little rewards? There is no "fixing" to be done. Vtuber fans are too emotionally invested in this hobby to forget or forgive Nijisanji.
- murray linked a video saying "hypothetically how to fix nijisanji".
- People here said management overhaul might be able to do it.
- I said management overhaul won't do shit to their reputation, they need to burn down everything.
- Vtuber fans actually forgave Unlimited/Brave, burn down everything works, kinda. It is super hard to penetrate the current market yes. I'm thinking 5-10 years in the future, maybe with burning down everything there is a future for NijiEN in 5-10 years. The current path of nijien is folding and leaving the English market entirely in a few years.
- Sure they are actually stabilizing, but I don't see alot of NijiEN talents willing to go into 10 total years with the company. A lot will naturally graduate even without the dramas.

You are not living in a different reality, you are just not following the conversation. You left the "hypothetical" part out somewhere.
 
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El Rrata

Gringo Tolerable
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Joined:  Sep 9, 2022
I feel like we're living in a different reality lol. This isn't "manage your corpo simulator". The talents need to put food on the table. Do you even realise what it would mean for them to start over again? The amount of money it would cost for very little rewards? There is no "fixing" to be done. Vtuber fans are too emotionally invested in this hobby to forget or forgive Nijisanji.
Even if they fired all the ones in the video and Riku committed seppuku on-stream to repent for dishonaahing Seren, people still wouldn't forgive them. Makes no sense to do anything but move forward as-is and just milk the current whales.
 

Seth

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Fubuki's Best Friendo
Joined:  Feb 11, 2023
- murray linked a video saying "hypothetically how to fix nijisanji".
- People here said management overhaul might be able to do it.
- I said management overhaul won't do shit to their reputation, they need to burn down everything.

You are not living in a different reality, you are just not following the conversation. You left the "hypothetical" part out somewhere.
Yeah i didn't watch the video nor did i read his post when i saw Rima was involved. That's on me lol
 

GOD'S STRONGEST BUILDERBEAR

"Shut up, Dazzle. I will clip your balls" -SB
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5-10 years in the future,
Its entertainment industry my dude, there might not even vtubing as a medium in 5-10 years. Going full retard and firing everyone might work on small corpo level with relative low stakes due to then not having to answer to shareholders and all, but niji risks taking the loss of revenue from an entire branch, investors jumping and a possible lawsuit on lost revenues from said investors, all for 10 years as hololive is catching up on them RIGHT NOW when waters are relatively still.
Aster needs to go tho
 

Helkar

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Joined:  Jun 14, 2024
or you deanonymize your management layer by making them have their own social media profiles like the managers at Phase Connect (CeCe, Mili, Rin etc). Currently Niji does neither and their management practically operates in a black box as far as the audience can see.
Try to do that and, once again, run into pre-existing reputational problems.
Phase managers are liked (with them barely posting anything on their socials btw) because Phase in general is liked*. Aiko got a hugely-positive reception on her first public appearance because people have repeatedly heard talents praising Aiko and management in general(and also because she was super-cute, but that's not the point).
Public perception of NijiEN management is...well, you get the idea. A NijiEN manager making a public twitter profile now will get pretty much nothing but vitriol.

*a lot of management appreciation is also carried by Sakana being an unashamed autistic retard(endearing) in public, so the CEO rep kinda transfers over to staff overall. What's the rep of the Niji CEO, again? Ah.
 
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