Idol Corp - Sniffing out the most golden and smoky controversies in the vtubing industry.

[Stunned But Dumb]

CMIIW, but it feels like these issues started getting more frequent AFTER Aviel fired Tomer (the guy who was having e-sex with Riro Ron). He wasn't just a talent manager, but also handled a lot of back office work for Idol as effectively Aviel's #2. He probably left a lot of work that didn't get properly sorted out considering how abrupt his termination was. I don't pay much attention to Idol's management, but I recall Josh (started out as a manager, but got kicked up to COO) talking about handling merch problems from around that time. It's pretty concerning that they still haven't gotten things like this sorted out since then.

After going through dozens of Idol posts in chronological order, I can say yes absolutely. They were almost squeaky clean before his firing with any drama and controversies being either minor or not their fault at all. Before I considered Aviel a well meaning screw up who can talk a good game and may hopefully back it up, but I can't help but see him as a loudmouthed blowhard who has no clue what he's doing and has survived this long thanks to the people around him. I fully expect him to run with the bag within the next two years if that long.
Also, I've always subscribed to the rrat that Tomer was fired due to not wanting to go along with the Brave Merger and yes this sounds like I'm an Idol Anti because I'm saying so much bad stuff about them, but I think at this point I'm more of an Aviel anti lol

Minor correction: Brave never acquired Idol, they just have a partnership. The common consensus is that Aviel is trying to get Brave to buy them, though.

Thanks. I see the word "acquisition" so often with the two I think my mind simply molded to accept it as truth

 

[Awoogers]

Rin

All I can say is she genuinely likes being in idol as it's the only corp to accept her as she is,in her own words,"unmarketable" by the general community standards so she really doesn't want the ship to sink as much as she's also an someone whose greatly benefited from fan works so I can't really fault her here it's just professional to do it especially as someone who benefited on it
But damn it fucking sucks
It really fucking sucks

 

[Nenélove]

and yes this sounds like I'm an Idol Anti because I'm saying so much bad stuff about them, but I think at this point I'm more of an Aviel anti lol

Why do you care if you sound like an idol anti? This isn't some hugbox like reddit, go off if you think your dislike is justified and tell us why, if your points are nonsense then the others will gladly let you know how retarded you are being.

 

[Stunned But Dumb]

Why do you care if you sound like an idol anti? This isn't some hugbox like reddit, go off if you think your dislike is justified and tell us why, if your points are nonsense then the others will gladly let you know how retarded you are being.

I'm just kind of used to having to add a disclaimer to anything I say because everything is so black and white online. If you criticize? You're a hater. If you praise? You're glazing. Can't win. Part of it is automatic really

 

[Awoogers]

I'm just kind of used to having to add a disclaimer to anything I say because everything is so black and white online. If you criticize? You're a hater. If you praise? You're glazing. Can't win. Part of it is automatic really

Yeah sadly I understand that as well

I just don't do it because I'm actually too stupid to care

Society is really cooked

 

[Nenélove]

I'm just kind of used to having to add a disclaimer to anything I say because everything is so black and white online. If you criticize? You're a hater. If you praise? You're glazing. Can't win. Part of it is automatic really

Meh, I'd like to imagine people in this forum are a bit smarter than that. I know that a good chunk of the older users are always quite fair about these things, I trust people to put a stop to my nonsense whenever I go too far. I have never made a post in which the response to it completely flabbergasted me, I have always understood the reason why the post got pushback or why I got some angry reply to it. You always get one or two people who really dislike you and give you "UR STUPID!" reactions without adding any other context to why they reacted negatively but those are mostly lurkers and newfriends. This is one of the reasons why I really like this forum.

Also unless you're a serial moron who stubbornly refuses to back down, people do not hold grudges, at least not in my experience. Even repeat offenders like tourist-kun who have by all accounts drained most people's patience still get taken somewhat seriously when they make decent points.

 

[RestlessRain]

A business struggling to pay bills on time can also be a sign that the business is going under, rather than just poor short-term management. Instead of paying your bills promptly, you start paying them a little bit later and hoping your dry spell ends soon and your income picks up, but instead, you're slowly putting the bills out further instead. I remember several of us looking at the superchats the girls were getting each stream, and they seemed pretty low. While we don't know how much they get as memberships or the like, but that income needs to pay Aviel and his team, and having a bunch of staff can get expensive quickly.

Perhaps Idol Corp might be in more trouble than simply not paying artists in a reasonable time.

 

[Stunned But Dumb]

A business struggling to pay bills on time can also be a sign that the business is going under, rather than just poor short-term management. Instead of paying your bills promptly, you start paying them a little bit later and hoping your dry spell ends soon and your income picks up, but instead, you're slowly putting the bills out further instead. I remember several of us looking at the superchats the girls were getting each stream, and they seemed pretty low. While we don't know how much they get as memberships or the like, but that income needs to pay Aviel and his team, and having a bunch of staff doing management and the like can get expensive quickly.

Perhaps Idol Corp might be in more trouble than simply not paying artists in a reasonable time.

I have also wondered how much those donothon refunds have eaten into their budget. They've done a lot of expensive stuff in the past year, and I'm sure they didn't account for those refunds. There's been rrats about some of the girls leaving (that's probably been dissolved by their America trip if it was ever true) and since most of them have active donothons, someone leaving would be disastrous to Idol, both their wallet and reputation.

Meh, I'd like to imagine people in this forum are a bit smarter than that. I know that a good chunk of the older users are always quite fair about these things, I trust people to put a stop to my nonsense whenever I go too far. I have never made a post in which the response to it completely flabbergasted me, I have always understood the reason why the post got pushback or why I got some angry reply to it. You always get one or two people who really dislike you and give you "UR STUPID!" reactions without adding any other context to why they reacted negatively but those are mostly lurkers and newfriends. This is one of the reasons why I really like this forum.

Also unless you're a serial moron who stubbornly refuses to back down, people do not hold grudges, at least not in my experience. Even repeat offenders like tourist-kun who have by all accounts drained most people's patience still get taken somewhat seriously when they make decent points.

Not wrong at all. As much as I've called others brian rotted by internet discourse, I certainly am too, at least when I want to be taken seriously and not just shitpost

 

[RestlessRain]

I have also wondered how much those donothon refunds have eaten into their budget. They've done a lot of expensive stuff in the past year, and I'm sure they didn't account for those refunds. There's been rrats about some of the girls leaving (that's probably been dissolved by their America trip if it was ever true) and since most of them have active donothons, someone leaving would be disastrous to Idol, both their wallet and reputation.

Even if the donothons required an expensive payout, being a fundamentally good business (income higher than expenses) should mean that eventually the business would be back on track after paying out for the donothon. It doesn't look like that's happening.

If the business isn't making money, paying out donothons might have hastened its death a little, but if I'm right, I think there are deeper problems here than the donothons.

 

[nooternun]

Juna feels like another Dizzy at this point. She's well liked and is a pivotal reason people join/stay.

That's a very Machiavellian way of looking at it, but could very well be true. If she is doing that then I would never hire her tbh, employees which think in those kinds of ways are nothing but trouble.

Considering Rin is the cash cow of Idol it feels like she is subtlety calling out her company. There is a construction practice where the money from the next job pays for the current one. I can see that happening here as similar stalling tactics are employed. She's collecting receipts of fuck ups right now to try and change the course of management. Most likely they need to hire someone to deal with these back end issues and have not because either there is no money or the money is being siphoned into personal accounts or dumb purchases.

 

[frz]

That statement is so vague idk if he's backing idol or the artist.

I don't think it's a contradictory statement, you just didn't realize the 3rd party
He said he like the staffs & talents at idol. He didn't say he like the CEO.
He said the staffs try their best to make payment in time, but staffs can't go above the CEO decisions.
Seems pretty consistent with the other artist's call out (not the google doc guy). Idol's staffs, whom this place blame for being underpaid without 0 experience, actually were the one who care and do their job properly. Just that they have a head jew who will refuse sending out payment until shit blows up on twitter.

Idk how it is in israel banks. But in here, company account banking transactions must be signed off by the company's director, the accountant are not authorised to transfer company's money by themselves. The director can authorize someone on behalf of them of course (e.g. the deputy director) but they usually don't unless special circumstances.

 

[Euthyphro]

Before I considered Aviel a well meaning screw up who can talk a good game and may hopefully back it up, but I can't help but see him as a loudmouthed blowhard who has no clue what he's doing and has survived this long thanks to the people around him. I fully expect him to run with the bag within the next two years if that long.
Also, I've always subscribed to the rrat that Tomer was fired due to not wanting to go along with the Brave Merger and yes this sounds like I'm an Idol Anti because I'm saying so much bad stuff about them, but I think at this point I'm more of an Aviel anti lol

See, this is why I don't believe in a global Jewish conspiracy. Shit like this and a cursory understanding of contemporary Israeli history shows plenty of examples of incompetence and byzantine backstabbing. Fat chance they can sustain any long-term concerted plan. The only reason Israel is around is because the Arabs are even worse.

 

[Hotdogs Aplenty]

Juna feels like another Dizzy at this point. She's well liked and is a pivotal reason people join/stay.

Considering Rin is the cash cow of Idol it feels like she is subtlety calling out her company. There is a construction practice where the money from the next job pays for the current one. I can see that happening here as similar stalling tactics are employed. She's collecting receipts of fuck ups right now to try and change the course of management. Most likely they need to hire someone to deal with these back end issues and have not because either there is no money or the money is being siphoned into personal accounts or dumb purchases.

Ron not streaming for a month was probably really bad financially for them.

 

[Aquatic Novellite]

I don't pay much attention to Idol's management, but I recall Josh (started out as a manager, but got kicked up to COO)

 

[famous artist pipkun]

He claimed at the same time that "they were often late multiple weeks on payment" and "idol only sends money once a month and later switched to bi-montly"

Oh, Net 30, Net 60. lol artists are retards

 

[Void Scribas]

Ruby asking spanish artists that worked with Idol to talk to her if they are having the same problem.


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[famous artist pipkun]

While I am not a freelancer, I can vouch for Phase's compensation. Any delay between the announcement of the contest winners and my payment was likely due to Sakana being away/busy at AnimeExpo immediately after the contest ended (Uruka had her 3D debut so he was entirely focused on that). I'm in contact with several of the other clippers that won prizes and they have confirmed compensation as well.

can you get them to confirm merch? scamming artists is whateva, but the merch shit is just terrible

 

[MerelyTourist]

CMIIW, but it feels like these issues started getting more frequent AFTER Aviel fired Tomer (the guy who was having e-sex with Riro Ron). He wasn't just a talent manager, but also handled a lot of back office work for Idol as effectively Aviel's #2. He probably left a lot of work that didn't get properly sorted out considering how abrupt his termination was. I don't pay much attention to Idol's management, but I recall Josh (started out as a manager, but got kicked up to COO) talking about handling merch problems from around that time. It's pretty concerning that they still haven't gotten things like this sorted out since then.

I just don't understand how they could fail so much for so long. It's not megacorpo, they're not doing moon landing mission. It's just small company. All their shit literally can be sorted by two people in a week. One specialist to deal with merch and customs, another for literally everuthing else. Sort out and pay invoices will take maybe a day. Oh wait, it only works if they have money.
BTW, i don't get what's the deal with paying invoices once a month? Are banks over there THAT archaic? You can't just pay it all immediately from website?

 

[Banana Hammock]

Wasn't Idol bragging about how good they paid their chuubas?

 

[Hff201]

Wasn't Idol bragging about how good they paid their chuubas?

They bragged about having a higher talent revenue share (60:40 in the chuuba's favour, as opposed to the industry standard 50:50). It's another obfuscation technique that looks better on paper than in practice, since being offered a higher percentage means nothing if the company isn't sustaining itself properly to support you.