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[bothyourhouses]

Nobody in this industry is a good samaritan, there are simply models and business dealings.

Sure, but even from a purely hard-nosed business perspective, burning the character is a dead loss for everyone. I guess you have to avoid creating a situation where the talent has an incentive to tank the company, but realistically I don't think anyone is profiting off of their corpo collapsing even if it means they end up with their IP.
Of course a company with creditors can't give the IP away while they're already bankrupt, but if a company would, IDK, put a binding "IP reverts to the talents in the event the company is unable to continue as a going concern" clause in the contract, and use that as a justification for taking a 2% higher cut, I'm pretty sure everyone would be better off. The value of $10k if the company crashes and burns is pretty low, companies can and do sell it for pennies - but only if they're selling it before that crash becomes inevitable.

This is how vtubing works

I don't think we need to take that as a given. It's still a young industry and there's still room for experimenting with different business models and different ways of doing things. Things haven't played out the way upd8 wanted it to or thought it would; Holo and Niji have evidently hit on a model that works, but that doesn't mean it's the only way that can ever work.

Of course, the argument can be made that the company bean counters figured it would be better to write them off as a loss instead of going through the hassle (and bad PR) of negotiating terms for the IP, but this didn't really register in the minds of the community.

Or people didn't think it made a difference. If it's not worth it for a big company to negotiate terms, it's probably not worth it for a small company either. You can argue that a big parent company has a reputation to protect whereas a small independent company should be willing to destroy its reputation on the way out, but that doesn't feel terribly compelling.

 

[frz]

Hololive english collab
99% Japanese
I like how they even bothered with English at the first 5 minutes and it just dwell into 100% JP after

 

[Willemshaven]

As Suisei fulfilled her original dream of performing at Budoka, her description on the website was changed.

Hoshimachi Suisei | TALENT | hololive official website

hololive.hololivepro.com

Old: "She puts endless amounts of hard work and energy into her dream of performing at the Budokan one day."
New: "She works tirelessly towards her dreams of performing in Tokyo Dome one day."

Animation of Biboo freestyle rapping to the Pigstep music disc in Minecraft.


Subaru talks about her IRL friend applying to be in hololive while the two were eating together.


Okayu talks about meeting with a stand-in director for her birthday concert. That director turned out to be someone that was present at Okayu's 2021 birthday concert, which had a techincal mishap where her model froze in the middle of a performance.

 

[Hotdogs Aplenty]

Friend of Uwuslab, lyka is back streaming after a year of hell. Deported back to Belarus, then her sister committed suicide and suck in a place with no streaming equipment and bad internet, she was in a deep depression for a long while.

 

[Jolted Cookies]

...well, whatever yesterday was about...
Clara's doin' late night karaoke again

 

[Azehara]

This dumbass swore off on being a vtuber no more which is what made him relevant in the first place, crashed out on a video on Sayu and is now so desperate for attention/clout these days that he had to orchestrate this fucking obviously-staged "accidental livestream" that it borders on cringe. Any attention he gets out of this isn't gonna last given he has all the personality of a bargain aisle loaf of white bread.

Quinn is by far the biggest "woman" to come out of Nijisanji. All he ever does is woman-moment after woman-moment.

I didn't hear gendered language in that phone call.

True. I guess some gay men call their boyfriends "babe".

God decided she wanted to become an onion instead:

Fuck shes tiny (and cute)

Got the whole part uncut in case she takes it down. Honestly sounds like Tsunderia PTSD and small corpos generally:

"You don't know what it's like to have friends message you wishing they could say what I said. To be stressing over this when they expected the company to manage things"
"I think it's fine to be grateful to companies for introducing you to certain talents, but you can be grateful to them and also say that they're not a good company."
"From experience, there's a lot of staff that gets hired or CEOs that typically respond with "I can't get to this right now" or there's no response.
"I think they forget that they're a company. If you were working a normal job in a normal company that will go "I can't do this task that I'm legally obligated to do for you because I'm too busy right now," that can't fly
"You should not use any company as an example of a 'good company' because you don't know what the talent had to go through to get their IP"

"I need all these male CEOs who have never interacted with young girls to stop opening VTuber companies"
"I think the problem is that most VTuber CEOs do not have the ability to understand how volatile, distressed and emotional girls in this field can be, and the empathy that comes along with that and I truly think that is the root of the problem"
"Genuinely, I think the best VTuber CEO would be someone who has a daughter"
Damn, PPP still catching strays years after the fact.

Don't entirely disagree with what she's saying that corpos should be more professional and held to more real-world standards, but I do wish she would stop essentially talking about how her currently-in-a-corpo VTuber friends told her these things and wish they could say it. Just stirring up the pot even more, actually just go all-in if you're gonna allude to stuff like this, name and shame, otherwise there's not much point.

Fishman gets a pass in her book, because he hired someone who did understand women, which she says is what you should do if you can't deal with them.

I dont disagree and its not really a HOT take.

Yeah but EIEN existed and lmao

Women suck as CEOs especially in companies where they have to deal with other women.

This is some very nice artwork. Works really well since Uruka is a huge DC comic nerd.

That looks really nice. Hell looks better than most of the shit that comes in comicbooks now-a-days. Like that one Harley Quinn Fart Fetish Comic.

Tsunderia was a shitshow, we know this, but in general my sympathy is very limited on the basis that intellectual property ownership agreements are business arrangements. If these women are old enough to sign a legally-binding contract, it's their responsibility to make sure they agree with the terms up-front, rather than complaining about it later.

The thing is, none of the current conversations about IP ownership will lead to anything productive, because no reputable corporation run by actually competent businessmen is going to give away IP they invested good money into for free. All it will lead to is even more virtue-signal corpos from wannabe girlbosses and Discord groomers that run out of money and die a year in, with plenty of infighting to go around because the kind of people who prioritise farming Twitter engagement tend not to be the best judges of character.

I still think that asking to drop 10k (in PixelLink's case) to pay for an IP is absurd. These girls barely make enough to cover living expenses. They survive because they live at home and are college students.

I get the corpo wanting to make back the money but make a fucking contract or something giving them a final paying date 1 year down the line. Might as well get the full money in parts than just outright fail to sell it at all. Its such a fucking waste honestly.

Kirsche aligns with my politics almost perfectly and that's why I watch her.
@reinigen I'm ready to invest in your startup proposal whenever you have the time.

And the other 20 or so 2-views you stalk are probably politically opposite to Kirsche so your point goes out the window. They are just not sperging out about politics.

Yeah, she completely lost me with that point. She's asking for professionalism standards on the corpo side that she herself admits the talent can't match, and that not expecting the talent to match them should be a crucial part of the way they run. Imagine saying that shit in literally any other industry.
And the worst part is that these chicks are for the most part college students in their early twenties at their youngest, but 17-18 year-old boys and girls in vocational school are expected and able to show up at their trainee jobs every working day at 8 AM and perform whatever tasks they're told to do. The fucking entitlement.

Just like you cant divide by zero, you cant expect women to take accountability. Doesnt help that the public constantly babies them. Oh no, the big bad evil corporation is asking you to stream 4 times a week for atleast 1 hour. 4 hours a week is so hard when you are an unemployed college student.

She like Clara choose to do English for her streams so she can get better at English from my understanding.

Or she was smart enough to realize that doing JP would be career suicide and she would take 3-4 times to grow as much if she went with that route by kneecapping herself.

 

[PankoManko]

I might be missing if your actually joking or not, but I'm pretty sure Tenma is Japanese and fluent in it as well,

She might be a "hafu" or a "kwota" living in Eastern Europe but she's certainly not fluent.

 

[Xuhle]

She might be a "hafu" or a "kwota" living in Eastern Europe but she's certainly not fluent.

Seems people need to do there reps. unless your being stupid and thinking I meant she's fluent in English.

 

[Hotdogs Aplenty]

Seems people need to do there reps. unless your being stupid and thinking I meant she's fluent in English.

Like any good gypsy, she is stealing but it is other languages.

 

[Punished Anime Discusser]

I might be missing if your actually joking or not, but I'm pretty sure Tenma is Japanese and fluent in it as well, as for living there not a clue. She like Clara choose to do English for her streams so she can get better at English from my understanding.

I think she's a hafu, and living in Romania according to the chess yab from a couple years ago. And yeah, part of why she's in EN is because she wanted to escalate the eigo jouzu grind from watching 80s action movies to being pressured into speaking it.

 

[Aquatic Novellite]

Tenma's PL streamed in English as well, judging by the one clip that was linked here a while ago.

 

[CalciumAnimal]

Black guys who watch Hololive are culturally white.

White guys who watch VShojo are culturally black.

And anyone who watches Phase is culturally SEA.

To paraphrase the 46th President, if you don't watch Hololive, you ain't white.

Perun isn't nordic, slavs aren't white, and Christianity is a jewish cult.

You're as culturally white as a Hindu.

if you watch all 3 does make you a quadroon?

 

[tarkanoltr]

 

[Svarog]

Ronja playing Dog's Life

Youtube link

Remi playing Blue Archive

 

[MagicHammer]

It appears as though VReverie is attempting to make a return, rebranding as Lunova Productions.

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This account was originally used by former VReverie member Hotaru Iora.

 

[Bronze]

It appears as though VReverie is attempting to make a return, rebranding as Lunova Productions.

This account was originally used by former VReverie member Hotaru Iora.

Nova's reaction

https://archive.is/1wCdI

Nova Aokami ❄🐉「 GLITCH STARS ☁️」 on X: "They treated us like garbage and are really trying again ..." / X | Ghostarchive

ghostarchive.org

 

[John Vtuber👁️]

It appears as though VReverie is attempting to make a return, rebranding as Lunova Productions.

This account was originally used by former VReverie member Hotaru Iora.

dead by the end of the year

 

[CalciumAnimal]

dead by the end of the year

feeling optimistic today?

I give it a few months as much as the twittards are retarded the hate mob should be forming by weeks end.

Unless they are willing to eat another loss i think the threat of a popularity bomb might make them reconsider or at least stop being so damn obvious about it.

 

[ValkyrieAce]

Hololive english collab
99% Japanese
I like how they even bothered with English at the first 5 minutes and it just dwell into 100% JP after

To be fair, Bae is doing a JP week where she's streaming twice a day. Once is her usual time and English streams, and the other is Japanese prime time and all in Japanese.

 

[Pencilfreak]

Not-Reimu complain about a man spreading his leg that looks like he wants some action inside an airplane.

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