Proctor Edit: This drama has reached far beyond this forum and has affected seemingly dozens of isolated groups. Many people with zero knowledge of anything but their own small part in it and equally little knowledge of this site are turning up here to get the larger story. Please be nice to them and do not waste pages aggressively speculating on who they are and whether they have ulterior motives without evidence.
TLDR
Even if the intentions of Q_Quillz, CyberIdol/Cyber Idol’s “CEO,” are good, her past behavior (including managing a previous agency and being a member of vtuber groups herself) and lack of experience have set the agency up for failure - in fact the whole thing might be some sort of odd scam. Q_Quillz (hereinafter “Q”) has gone under at least a dozen different identities online, most of which are connected to sketchy art and model sales. Anyone interested in legitimately growing their career in this industry should stay very far away from CyberIdol, and keep an eye on Q and whatever other identities she's using now or will use in the future.
Leave Britney alone!
The ultimate goal of this post is to dissuade people from working in an agency where Q_Quillz is in a leadership position as we do not believe she has the skills to take on such a role and as such the agency has a very high chance to fail. Similarly, those considering hiring her or being hired by her to do anything related to artwork should probably reconsider. Believe it or not, the goal of this post is not to beat up on or bully Q. Q seems to have at least some experience streaming, singing, and possibly creating legitimate art, and it’s hoped that Q will funnel her energy into contributing to our hobby using those skills, not in trying to be in a leadership position where her failure will affect those who work under her. Please do not contact Q directly, and please do not reply to her tweets. Please do not send her a link to this post - she already knows it exists.
Though this OP has undergone several hours of research and writing, it is still incomplete - we may never know the full extent of Q’s behavior in and around this industry. But what’s in here so far should be more than sufficient to warn people away from CyberIdol.
Have any tips about this agency or associated people, but want to stay anonymous? Feel free to email me at vtmurray@proton.me or DM me on Twitter at MurrayShinaide (email is preferred because who knows how Twitter DMs work anymore). I will guarantee your anonymity if you so request.
How it began
Very early in the morning of Thursday, October 11, a new Twitter account for a vtuber agency called CyberIdol_EN posted a tweet announcing they were beginning recruitment. That tweet would be shared to the Asylum several hours later by @Bannedvtmemes, asking prophetically “How long until they're outed as a black company?” As this was soon after the rapid, catastrophic implosion of AkioAIR due to a series of idiotic decisions by management, the community was particularly sensitive to mismanaged fly-by-night agencies at that time, and CyberIdol's announcement and information revealed in subsequent Marshmallow tweets raised some red flags:
Most interestingly (in my opinion), no names were given for the company's management. In response to a Marshmallow asking for more info, they tweeted "The CEO will soon be revealed!" Why does the CEO need to have a grand reveal?
We would soon find out, as later that day the Twitter account tweeted that their CEO was… well, not a real name, but another Twitter handle: Q_Quillz. Now here's where things went kind of crazy because if this "CEO" had decided to create a totally new Twitter account, subsequent discoveries about this person would probably not have been made, or at least it would have taken longer. However, instead, the Q_Quillz account was a previous account which had had its handle changed and its original tweets removed, but reply tweets, as well as all of its followers and following accounts, remained (deleting those tweets may have been the reason the “debut” of the CEO was delayed). With that remaining information it was discovered almost instantly that the previous handle was AmeliaDxrk, and then from there, with judicious application of autism and archive searching, other identities were found.
The Proctor stream
On October 16, the administrator of this site, @The Proctor, did a stream about the CyberIdol drama prominently featuring the discoveries enumerated in this OP. Later in the stream, CyberIdol “co-founder” Empraize joined, apparently assuming that we wanted to lambast her about her association with CyberIdol, but Proctor was quite civil with her and asked her questions about her experience. I later joined to ask more questions, and soon after Q herself joined. The conversation was quite civil throughout as Empraize and I in particular tried to demonstrate to Q that, even if we ignore what she may have done under her various previous identities, she lacked the management experience to operate an agency, and if she failed, she would be hurting her talents as well as herself. In the end she seemed to concede the point and said she would give up the “CEO” position to someone else. However, after leaving the call, she started a Twitter space in which she seemed to indicate she felt ganged-up on and bullied on our stream, and posts the next day indicated she was reopening auditions for characters. (TardaTod would later join the stream after Q left and reiterate his falling-out with Q as MikoDayoooo.)
Jimmy’s buyout, the Murray stream, & aftermath
On October 21, the CyberIdol Twitter timeline was wiped and replaced with a single tweet announcing that CyberIdol was now “under new management” by a Twitter account with the handle of “Elevation.” Social media links quickly linked this account to Twitch and Twitter accounts using the Lahtome handle. The Lahtome Twitter account had been previously discovered to have been renamed from YamakaKiyo. Given this it was initially assumed that Elevation/Jimmy was yet another Q alias, but the fact that the Elevation Twitter handle had been in use since 2012 didn't quite fit. Jimmy, Q, and Jimmy's significant other all claimed that this was not the case, and Jimmy reached out to me in Twitter DMs to appear on a stream hosted by me and clear things up. Shortly before the stream, Jimmy, Q, and I appeared on a call and I was sufficiently convinced that Jimmy and Q were different people.
During the stream, Jimmy explained that he was a former fleshstreamer interested in becoming a vtuber and had initially met Q when he purchased her MikoDaYooo from her. He had then purchased the YamakaKiyo account from Q and rebranded it to kickstart a Twitter presence with followers already interested in vtubers. Later he purchased the entire CyberIdol "company" from Q with the intention of running his own agency using his experience in accounting and Q's experience in the vtuber field. However, before the CyberIdol tweet about the new management the day before, he had been unaware of the baggage associated with the brand and of Q's previous activities. Despite all that he had learned since thin, however, he said that he intended to continue developing CyberIdol as an agency with Q as a sort of manager.
The following morning, October 23, a graphic designer going by Reiki posted a Twitter post and Google doc claiming Q had issued a PayPal chargeback on the commission fee he had charged for some artwork, despite Q using that artwork in the past. As Q had initially reached out to Reiki using a Discord handle of "yamakakiyo_" and the YamakaKiyo Twitter handle now pointed to Lahtome, Jimmy's Lahtome identity was implicated in this. This appeared to be the last straw for Jimmy as he soon after renamed the Lahtome handle back to YamakaKiyo, created a new Lahtome handle, and announced on the new handle and the CyberIdol account that he was no longer associated with CyberIdol. At some point after this the CyberIdol account would be deleted altogether.
A list of identities for Q_Quillz follows, with a summary of what they seemed to have gotten up to and how they tie back to the Q_Quillz identity. It should be noted that a common thread among almost all identities is offering art commissions and sometimes the same artwork is used as portfolio pieces among different identities. However, the artwork tends to have an inconsistent style from piece to piece and there is evidence of her both using AI art generators and passing off the artwork of others as her own. It is unknown if she actually has any artistic talent.
Q_Quillz
Q_Quillz claims to be the “CEO” of CyberIdol, as mentioned above. She cofounded it with Empraize, someone who had previously commissioned Q for artwork and by Emp’s own admission knew very little about management or vtubing, but deferred to Q’s expertise. Empraize said she had effectively no tasks in the operation of the “company” and would later disassociate herself from the company as Q’s inexperience and past became apparent. After this thread was created, Q would make a Google doc addressing the OP and claiming not to be some of the identities below. However, the document has inconsistencies which put it in doubt. The tweet announcing the Google doc has since been deleted but the document itself still remains.
AmeliaDxrk
Previous handle of Q_Quillz's account. Archives of her Twitter account found this Carrd account with artwork, commission prices, and, for the purposes of finding further accounts, an email address, and (in the tab/window title) another username.
AstreRxse/Astre Rxse
The username in aforementioned Carrd page. She created a lot of content with this username, including a DeviantArt account and, around November 2022 livestreams which seem to have been lost to time. Around October 2020, AstreRxse apparently went by male pronouns and something happened to make his/her Discord friends think that he/she died, causing this bizarre tribute video to be made. Note that the link in the description as well as the username in the pinned comment now link to a channel with the name "MikoDayoooo." AstreRxse was apparently involved in buying and selling accounts for mobile games, including quite recently and sometimes with disturbingly large budgets.
MikoDayooo/MikoDayoooooo
Under this account, she has recently been active as a vtuber. Her channel currently only hosts a song cover. An associated Twitter account has had recent activity and oddly both offers commissions and has gotten commissions from others. The Miko identity recently had a controversy where she tried to cancel the unfortunately named TardaTod, the leader of a vtuber group called Project Enigmata, after he complained about her being absent without sufficient explanation from group activities while she was recovering from an injury (she would later claim it was a suicide attempt), even publishing a Google Doc about his insensitivity. However, Tarda would later successfully shift public opinion by publishing his own screenshots showing that Miko had not been transparent to Tarda about why she had been injured and had given inconsistent timelines about when she'd be able to return.
Beatrice Sinclair/YamakaKiyo/RiriTaffy
Under these identities, Q seems to have operated a man-in-the-middle scam on both artists and clients wishing to commission artists. The scam seemingly operated like this:
At some point during this scam, she claimed to operate a vtuber agency called Aura Tech Studios. It appears she was trying to use this scam to obtain models for the streamers in this agency. I don’t believe any of these vtubers debuted.
Several victims of this scam would publish Google Docs discussing their victimization: anmaretsu, ImKurinn, Kyoko_nya, cuwddleVT, CookieDoe_vt.
Bizarrely, a Twitter account associated with this identity, BeatriceSinCH, would claim to be a vtuber who departed from an agency called VTLive with many complaints elaborated in both a Twitter thread and a Google Doc.
In late October, after the Murray stream, Q would very briefly open a Twitter account with the handle "YamakaKiyo_" and claim that her "2 main accounts" had been hacked. It linked to her Chess Thalia YouTube account.
Marcella (The DestinyVLive fiasco)
Under this identity, Q was the manager of an agency called DestinyVLive/Destiny VLive/DestinyVLIVE/Destiny VLIVE/Destiny V Live (as with CyberIdol/Cyber Idol, the branding was inconsistent). Q apparently cofounded the agency with a “CEO” who was later found to be a minor at the time, and it appears this CEO actually did very little if anything and Marcella/Q was actually in charge. As with CyberIdol, talents were recruited and accepted in a relatively short amount of time.
In January 2023, Marcella announced she would be taking a two-week break due to health concerns, but she ended up being gone around two months. Talent debuts, originally planned to happen in late February, were delayed as a result of this.
On March 31, 2023, the designs for the talents were leaked by the Senzayus account as example artwork (see below). Some of these designs and models were funded entirely by DVL, but in some cases they were funded partially or entirely by the talents themselves. This was noticed by the talents and they found the situation fishy and agreed to quit en masse on April 4.
Around May 15, the DVL Twitter account announced they were reopening recruitment, but the former talents convinced her to cease recruitment. On that date, former DVL talent LilithEinhorn posted a Twitter thread about her experience, and Marcella posted a TwitLonger seemingly in response claiming to have been a hacking victim, as well as having paid for talent models out of pocket (as mentioned above this was not true for all of the models).
A cynical interpretation of what the entire DVL experience was about was that Q recruited talents for an entirely sham agency and prompted them all to commission artwork for their models, in some cases at the talents' own expense, then resold that artwork and/or used it for portfolio pieces to solicit commissions. However I do not have sufficient evidence to say that was her scheme for certain.
To this day Q admits to being an artist that worked with Marcella under the AmeliaDxrk identity but not Marcella herself. However, I have seen a preponderance of evidence by those who wish to remain anonymous which ties Marcella back to the Beatrice Sinclair, RiriTaffy, and AstreRxse identities. I cannot share it but either it is credible evidence or multiple people have successfully pulled a somewhat high-effort gaslighting campaign on me for no apparent gain.
LittleAutumn5/Etolie Rea/MaryIsALoser12/MaryIsATroll
LittleAutumn5 had the email address from the Carrd in her Twitter profile at one point. MaryIsALoser12 apparently stole LittleAutumn5's art and passed it on as herself at one point and was then accused of being a sock puppet of LittleAutumn5 who started drama with herself for attention.
Senzayus
This may not be an alias of Q and merely an associate on various projects, though it seems very likely to be Q herself. The only account their Twitter account is following is Q_Quillz. As mentioned above, it tweeted artwork of the DVL talents prior to their debut as portfolio pieces.
ChristoffHare
This was a short-lived witter account of someone who would have been a CyberIdol talent, probably representing the White Rabbit character. First discovered on October 18 and deleted by the 20th. It is unclear if this was operated by a talent, by Q, or by someone else.
Chess Thalia/KyuubiJamb
After selling CyberIdol to Jimmy (see "Jimmy's buyout" section below), Q renamed her Twitter account to this handle, using the artwork for the Cheshire cat character in the profile picture and avatar. Empraize then revealed that this was the character she originally was going to play. At some point before October 27, Q created a YouTube channel with Chess Thalia branding and a video featuring a cover song sung with a cat model, albeit one that looked quite different from the Chess artwork.
On October 30, a "thalia_jpn" handle would be found where she would once again solicit art commissions, this time primarily in Japanese. A "Thalia_Chess" account was also found which turned out to have been an account from March 2022 and renamed from "KyuubiJamb" at some point. This account was previously unknown to us.
In addition to Q herself, the following people are important to this story:
Empraize: "Co-founder" of CyberIdol. Empraize had initially become friends with Q after commissioning some artwork from her. She was invited by Q to work on CyberIdol despite having no business or vtubing experience. She decided not to work with Q after her scammy past was revealed.
Jimmy/Elevated: Current owner of the CyberIdol "brand." Purchased a model and Twitter account from Q in the goal of starting up his own vtuber identity prior to buying the entire "company." Later disassociated himself with the brand.
Dalhlia Starbright, LilithEinhorn, Sera Hymn: Current identities of some of the streamers who were to be members of DestinyVLive, another agency operated by Q prior to CyberIdol.
But why?
Throughout my research on this, one question which has been bothering me is "why?" The word "scam" comes to mind looking at what Q has done, but in almost all cases the reward seems to be quite small to non-existent. Given that, I'm inclined to believe that Q's primary motivation is clout; that she likes the attention she gets by being involved with a corpo or passing herself off as an artist, and (given the history of making drama-posts when leaving the agencies she doesn't directly control) being the focus of drama. However, there is also the possibility that even though the profit margins in the cases we've seen so far are small, she's making up for it in volume and even all of the stuff above is just the tip of an iceberg of scams. We may never know the truth. But whatever it may be, stay far away.
Special thanks to @Todd's Mistake, @Short, @MagicHammer and the other autists who have been digging on this topic - if your name should go here and it's not let me know. Thank you also to all the people who have shared their experiences on Twitter and Google Docs, and anonymously with me directly.
TLDR
Even if the intentions of Q_Quillz, CyberIdol/Cyber Idol’s “CEO,” are good, her past behavior (including managing a previous agency and being a member of vtuber groups herself) and lack of experience have set the agency up for failure - in fact the whole thing might be some sort of odd scam. Q_Quillz (hereinafter “Q”) has gone under at least a dozen different identities online, most of which are connected to sketchy art and model sales. Anyone interested in legitimately growing their career in this industry should stay very far away from CyberIdol, and keep an eye on Q and whatever other identities she's using now or will use in the future.
Leave Britney alone!
The ultimate goal of this post is to dissuade people from working in an agency where Q_Quillz is in a leadership position as we do not believe she has the skills to take on such a role and as such the agency has a very high chance to fail. Similarly, those considering hiring her or being hired by her to do anything related to artwork should probably reconsider. Believe it or not, the goal of this post is not to beat up on or bully Q. Q seems to have at least some experience streaming, singing, and possibly creating legitimate art, and it’s hoped that Q will funnel her energy into contributing to our hobby using those skills, not in trying to be in a leadership position where her failure will affect those who work under her. Please do not contact Q directly, and please do not reply to her tweets. Please do not send her a link to this post - she already knows it exists.
Though this OP has undergone several hours of research and writing, it is still incomplete - we may never know the full extent of Q’s behavior in and around this industry. But what’s in here so far should be more than sufficient to warn people away from CyberIdol.
Have any tips about this agency or associated people, but want to stay anonymous? Feel free to email me at vtmurray@proton.me or DM me on Twitter at MurrayShinaide (email is preferred because who knows how Twitter DMs work anymore). I will guarantee your anonymity if you so request.
How it began
Very early in the morning of Thursday, October 11, a new Twitter account for a vtuber agency called CyberIdol_EN posted a tweet announcing they were beginning recruitment. That tweet would be shared to the Asylum several hours later by @Bannedvtmemes, asking prophetically “How long until they're outed as a black company?” As this was soon after the rapid, catastrophic implosion of AkioAIR due to a series of idiotic decisions by management, the community was particularly sensitive to mismanaged fly-by-night agencies at that time, and CyberIdol's announcement and information revealed in subsequent Marshmallow tweets raised some red flags:
- The company couldn't decide if their name was "CyberIdol" or "Cyber Idol" and used the two interchangeably, sometimes in the same piece of media (like the video accompanying the recruitment announcement tweet).
- The name itself is similar to two other agencies: CyberLive (which is now defunct) and Idol.
- The company's entire existence was a Twitter account, a Marshmallow page, and a Google form. There was no web site and no accounts on streaming services. The company did not have a logo.
- The artwork the Twitter account used for its avatar at the time was of an unknown character appeared to have a watermark saying "Sample" over it.
- The agency account proudly proclaimed they would not be hiring minors (as was the first domino in AkioAIR's collapse), but it was later discovered the artist they gloated about hiring was a minor. CyberIdol claimed they were unaware of this and cut ties with this artist.
- We'd later find out their recruitment style was very bizarre; talents for all four characters (based on Alice in Wonderland characters) were found within 48 hours, but they would have a couple months to decide whether they wanted to sign the contract. What would happen if a talent decided not to sign shortly before debut was not discussed - would the company scramble to recast the character?
- Additionally, the company claimed to take a 30% cut, but rather than taking in the money from the talent's channel, taking their cut, and then distributing the rest to the talent as normal agencies do, they would instead have the talents take all channel income and then send the agency a check for their fee. While this approach has the benefit of making sure the agency won't run away with the money if and when they collapse, it's a very non-standard approach and leaves them vulnerable to cheating by the talents.
- Given the lack of information about the company, including no mailing or physical address, it could not be determined of CyberIdol was in fact a registered company (it was later admitted by Q on the Proctor stream (see below) that it was not registered).
Most interestingly (in my opinion), no names were given for the company's management. In response to a Marshmallow asking for more info, they tweeted "The CEO will soon be revealed!" Why does the CEO need to have a grand reveal?
We would soon find out, as later that day the Twitter account tweeted that their CEO was… well, not a real name, but another Twitter handle: Q_Quillz. Now here's where things went kind of crazy because if this "CEO" had decided to create a totally new Twitter account, subsequent discoveries about this person would probably not have been made, or at least it would have taken longer. However, instead, the Q_Quillz account was a previous account which had had its handle changed and its original tweets removed, but reply tweets, as well as all of its followers and following accounts, remained (deleting those tweets may have been the reason the “debut” of the CEO was delayed). With that remaining information it was discovered almost instantly that the previous handle was AmeliaDxrk, and then from there, with judicious application of autism and archive searching, other identities were found.
The Proctor stream
On October 16, the administrator of this site, @The Proctor, did a stream about the CyberIdol drama prominently featuring the discoveries enumerated in this OP. Later in the stream, CyberIdol “co-founder” Empraize joined, apparently assuming that we wanted to lambast her about her association with CyberIdol, but Proctor was quite civil with her and asked her questions about her experience. I later joined to ask more questions, and soon after Q herself joined. The conversation was quite civil throughout as Empraize and I in particular tried to demonstrate to Q that, even if we ignore what she may have done under her various previous identities, she lacked the management experience to operate an agency, and if she failed, she would be hurting her talents as well as herself. In the end she seemed to concede the point and said she would give up the “CEO” position to someone else. However, after leaving the call, she started a Twitter space in which she seemed to indicate she felt ganged-up on and bullied on our stream, and posts the next day indicated she was reopening auditions for characters. (TardaTod would later join the stream after Q left and reiterate his falling-out with Q as MikoDayoooo.)
Jimmy’s buyout, the Murray stream, & aftermath
On October 21, the CyberIdol Twitter timeline was wiped and replaced with a single tweet announcing that CyberIdol was now “under new management” by a Twitter account with the handle of “Elevation.” Social media links quickly linked this account to Twitch and Twitter accounts using the Lahtome handle. The Lahtome Twitter account had been previously discovered to have been renamed from YamakaKiyo. Given this it was initially assumed that Elevation/Jimmy was yet another Q alias, but the fact that the Elevation Twitter handle had been in use since 2012 didn't quite fit. Jimmy, Q, and Jimmy's significant other all claimed that this was not the case, and Jimmy reached out to me in Twitter DMs to appear on a stream hosted by me and clear things up. Shortly before the stream, Jimmy, Q, and I appeared on a call and I was sufficiently convinced that Jimmy and Q were different people.
During the stream, Jimmy explained that he was a former fleshstreamer interested in becoming a vtuber and had initially met Q when he purchased her MikoDaYooo from her. He had then purchased the YamakaKiyo account from Q and rebranded it to kickstart a Twitter presence with followers already interested in vtubers. Later he purchased the entire CyberIdol "company" from Q with the intention of running his own agency using his experience in accounting and Q's experience in the vtuber field. However, before the CyberIdol tweet about the new management the day before, he had been unaware of the baggage associated with the brand and of Q's previous activities. Despite all that he had learned since thin, however, he said that he intended to continue developing CyberIdol as an agency with Q as a sort of manager.
The following morning, October 23, a graphic designer going by Reiki posted a Twitter post and Google doc claiming Q had issued a PayPal chargeback on the commission fee he had charged for some artwork, despite Q using that artwork in the past. As Q had initially reached out to Reiki using a Discord handle of "yamakakiyo_" and the YamakaKiyo Twitter handle now pointed to Lahtome, Jimmy's Lahtome identity was implicated in this. This appeared to be the last straw for Jimmy as he soon after renamed the Lahtome handle back to YamakaKiyo, created a new Lahtome handle, and announced on the new handle and the CyberIdol account that he was no longer associated with CyberIdol. At some point after this the CyberIdol account would be deleted altogether.
A list of identities for Q_Quillz follows, with a summary of what they seemed to have gotten up to and how they tie back to the Q_Quillz identity. It should be noted that a common thread among almost all identities is offering art commissions and sometimes the same artwork is used as portfolio pieces among different identities. However, the artwork tends to have an inconsistent style from piece to piece and there is evidence of her both using AI art generators and passing off the artwork of others as her own. It is unknown if she actually has any artistic talent.
Q_Quillz
Q_Quillz claims to be the “CEO” of CyberIdol, as mentioned above. She cofounded it with Empraize, someone who had previously commissioned Q for artwork and by Emp’s own admission knew very little about management or vtubing, but deferred to Q’s expertise. Empraize said she had effectively no tasks in the operation of the “company” and would later disassociate herself from the company as Q’s inexperience and past became apparent. After this thread was created, Q would make a Google doc addressing the OP and claiming not to be some of the identities below. However, the document has inconsistencies which put it in doubt. The tweet announcing the Google doc has since been deleted but the document itself still remains.
AmeliaDxrk
Previous handle of Q_Quillz's account. Archives of her Twitter account found this Carrd account with artwork, commission prices, and, for the purposes of finding further accounts, an email address, and (in the tab/window title) another username.
AstreRxse/Astre Rxse
The username in aforementioned Carrd page. She created a lot of content with this username, including a DeviantArt account and, around November 2022 livestreams which seem to have been lost to time. Around October 2020, AstreRxse apparently went by male pronouns and something happened to make his/her Discord friends think that he/she died, causing this bizarre tribute video to be made. Note that the link in the description as well as the username in the pinned comment now link to a channel with the name "MikoDayoooo." AstreRxse was apparently involved in buying and selling accounts for mobile games, including quite recently and sometimes with disturbingly large budgets.
MikoDayooo/MikoDayoooooo
Under this account, she has recently been active as a vtuber. Her channel currently only hosts a song cover. An associated Twitter account has had recent activity and oddly both offers commissions and has gotten commissions from others. The Miko identity recently had a controversy where she tried to cancel the unfortunately named TardaTod, the leader of a vtuber group called Project Enigmata, after he complained about her being absent without sufficient explanation from group activities while she was recovering from an injury (she would later claim it was a suicide attempt), even publishing a Google Doc about his insensitivity. However, Tarda would later successfully shift public opinion by publishing his own screenshots showing that Miko had not been transparent to Tarda about why she had been injured and had given inconsistent timelines about when she'd be able to return.
Beatrice Sinclair/YamakaKiyo/RiriTaffy
Under these identities, Q seems to have operated a man-in-the-middle scam on both artists and clients wishing to commission artists. The scam seemingly operated like this:
- Q posed as an artist seeking commissions, using stolen artwork as portfolio pieces.
- A client seeking artwork approached Q and worked out a commission deal.
- Q then took the project to a legitimate artist and commissioned them to do the client’s project, pretending it was her own.
- Q arranged for the (legit) client to pay the (legit) artist directly via PayPal, so the name and email address from which the payment came did not match “Beatrice.” Unfortunately artists did not take this as a red flag and began working on the project.
- The artist, thinking “Beatrice” was the real client, would send her updates of the artwork as it progressed and send her the final project in some cases. Meanwhile, Q would ghost the legitimate client.
- For some of the clients, at some point they would get frustrated from a lack of updates from “Beatrice” and initiate a refund through PayPal, which went to the legitimate artist. The artist would then contact the client and the ruse was discovered.
- Meanwhile, Q would pass the artwork off as her own and in some cases resell it.
At some point during this scam, she claimed to operate a vtuber agency called Aura Tech Studios. It appears she was trying to use this scam to obtain models for the streamers in this agency. I don’t believe any of these vtubers debuted.
Several victims of this scam would publish Google Docs discussing their victimization: anmaretsu, ImKurinn, Kyoko_nya, cuwddleVT, CookieDoe_vt.
Bizarrely, a Twitter account associated with this identity, BeatriceSinCH, would claim to be a vtuber who departed from an agency called VTLive with many complaints elaborated in both a Twitter thread and a Google Doc.
In late October, after the Murray stream, Q would very briefly open a Twitter account with the handle "YamakaKiyo_" and claim that her "2 main accounts" had been hacked. It linked to her Chess Thalia YouTube account.
Marcella (The DestinyVLive fiasco)
Under this identity, Q was the manager of an agency called DestinyVLive/Destiny VLive/DestinyVLIVE/Destiny VLIVE/Destiny V Live (as with CyberIdol/Cyber Idol, the branding was inconsistent). Q apparently cofounded the agency with a “CEO” who was later found to be a minor at the time, and it appears this CEO actually did very little if anything and Marcella/Q was actually in charge. As with CyberIdol, talents were recruited and accepted in a relatively short amount of time.
In January 2023, Marcella announced she would be taking a two-week break due to health concerns, but she ended up being gone around two months. Talent debuts, originally planned to happen in late February, were delayed as a result of this.
On March 31, 2023, the designs for the talents were leaked by the Senzayus account as example artwork (see below). Some of these designs and models were funded entirely by DVL, but in some cases they were funded partially or entirely by the talents themselves. This was noticed by the talents and they found the situation fishy and agreed to quit en masse on April 4.
Around May 15, the DVL Twitter account announced they were reopening recruitment, but the former talents convinced her to cease recruitment. On that date, former DVL talent LilithEinhorn posted a Twitter thread about her experience, and Marcella posted a TwitLonger seemingly in response claiming to have been a hacking victim, as well as having paid for talent models out of pocket (as mentioned above this was not true for all of the models).
A cynical interpretation of what the entire DVL experience was about was that Q recruited talents for an entirely sham agency and prompted them all to commission artwork for their models, in some cases at the talents' own expense, then resold that artwork and/or used it for portfolio pieces to solicit commissions. However I do not have sufficient evidence to say that was her scheme for certain.
To this day Q admits to being an artist that worked with Marcella under the AmeliaDxrk identity but not Marcella herself. However, I have seen a preponderance of evidence by those who wish to remain anonymous which ties Marcella back to the Beatrice Sinclair, RiriTaffy, and AstreRxse identities. I cannot share it but either it is credible evidence or multiple people have successfully pulled a somewhat high-effort gaslighting campaign on me for no apparent gain.
LittleAutumn5/Etolie Rea/MaryIsALoser12/MaryIsATroll
LittleAutumn5 had the email address from the Carrd in her Twitter profile at one point. MaryIsALoser12 apparently stole LittleAutumn5's art and passed it on as herself at one point and was then accused of being a sock puppet of LittleAutumn5 who started drama with herself for attention.
Senzayus
This may not be an alias of Q and merely an associate on various projects, though it seems very likely to be Q herself. The only account their Twitter account is following is Q_Quillz. As mentioned above, it tweeted artwork of the DVL talents prior to their debut as portfolio pieces.
ChristoffHare
This was a short-lived witter account of someone who would have been a CyberIdol talent, probably representing the White Rabbit character. First discovered on October 18 and deleted by the 20th. It is unclear if this was operated by a talent, by Q, or by someone else.
Chess Thalia/KyuubiJamb
After selling CyberIdol to Jimmy (see "Jimmy's buyout" section below), Q renamed her Twitter account to this handle, using the artwork for the Cheshire cat character in the profile picture and avatar. Empraize then revealed that this was the character she originally was going to play. At some point before October 27, Q created a YouTube channel with Chess Thalia branding and a video featuring a cover song sung with a cat model, albeit one that looked quite different from the Chess artwork.
On October 30, a "thalia_jpn" handle would be found where she would once again solicit art commissions, this time primarily in Japanese. A "Thalia_Chess" account was also found which turned out to have been an account from March 2022 and renamed from "KyuubiJamb" at some point. This account was previously unknown to us.
In addition to Q herself, the following people are important to this story:
Empraize: "Co-founder" of CyberIdol. Empraize had initially become friends with Q after commissioning some artwork from her. She was invited by Q to work on CyberIdol despite having no business or vtubing experience. She decided not to work with Q after her scammy past was revealed.
Jimmy/Elevated: Current owner of the CyberIdol "brand." Purchased a model and Twitter account from Q in the goal of starting up his own vtuber identity prior to buying the entire "company." Later disassociated himself with the brand.
Dalhlia Starbright, LilithEinhorn, Sera Hymn: Current identities of some of the streamers who were to be members of DestinyVLive, another agency operated by Q prior to CyberIdol.
But why?
Throughout my research on this, one question which has been bothering me is "why?" The word "scam" comes to mind looking at what Q has done, but in almost all cases the reward seems to be quite small to non-existent. Given that, I'm inclined to believe that Q's primary motivation is clout; that she likes the attention she gets by being involved with a corpo or passing herself off as an artist, and (given the history of making drama-posts when leaving the agencies she doesn't directly control) being the focus of drama. However, there is also the possibility that even though the profit margins in the cases we've seen so far are small, she's making up for it in volume and even all of the stuff above is just the tip of an iceberg of scams. We may never know the truth. But whatever it may be, stay far away.
Oct 16: Add Beatrice Sinclair scam. Add "the big question."
Oct 19, morning: Add DVL stuff. Update Q_Quillz section. Add Proctor stream summary. Update TLDR and add “leave her alone” section. Section headers.
Oct 19, afternoon: Correct that not all DVL models were funded by the talents.
Nov 3: Add ChristoffHare, add Chess Thalia and related itentities, add "other people" section, add events around Jimmy buyout and the first Murray stream
Oct 19, morning: Add DVL stuff. Update Q_Quillz section. Add Proctor stream summary. Update TLDR and add “leave her alone” section. Section headers.
Oct 19, afternoon: Correct that not all DVL models were funded by the talents.
Nov 3: Add ChristoffHare, add Chess Thalia and related itentities, add "other people" section, add events around Jimmy buyout and the first Murray stream
Special thanks to @Todd's Mistake, @Short, @MagicHammer and the other autists who have been digging on this topic - if your name should go here and it's not let me know. Thank you also to all the people who have shared their experiences on Twitter and Google Docs, and anonymously with me directly.
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Maybe we could get this Marcella an account here, she'd fit right in, especially being a forum for fictional women being played by menhera broads.
