Rage Pig Ho Down - Ralph Discovers vTubers to Spite GAYTOR

reinigen said:

Last I checked "defending the potential kid diddler" fit more in that column bud.

Excuse me if I don't value your opinion there.

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The Proctor said:

I'm not vagueposting.

I meant what I said in the rules, which you of course read and understood when you signed up for this forum.

If I end up having to purge people who openly defend someone who says they want to rape children ahem, 'wish to engage in a nuanced and reasonable debate about the validity of supposed claims of a minor-attracted person', I will do so without hesitation or remorse.

I will not become known as 'Proctor Zakharov, the man who tolerates people effortposting about morally acceptable levels of paedophilia'. I have already given you an unbelievable level of clemency that I can confidently say no other web admin would ever give you. I don't think even Null would be this tolerant.

You are rapidly becoming an active brand risk, and I will not die on the hill you are trying to push me onto. But try and nudge me just a few more steps. Please.

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"Kiki's behaviour is incredibly gross and I don't like it but until there's actionable evidence of child abuse it's hard to make this go anywhere" is a real fucking weird sort of defending kid diddling
How about you guys start actually reading the reponses you're getting instead of snapshotting single sentences so you can go off on fantasy crusades against imaginary paedophilia advocates in the community

Some of you are gonna need one of these if you continue digging down

Null talking about the situation.

Zizara said:

"Kiki's behaviour is incredibly gross and I don't like it but until there's actionable evidence of child abuse it's hard to make this go anywhere" is a real fucking weird sort of defending kid diddling

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By streaming she puts herself in a position with easier access to children. Sure, she probably hasn't abused anyone. Doesn't mean much when she has this sort of history.

The Proctor said:

I'm not vagueposting.

I meant what I said in the rules, which you of course read and understood when you signed up for this forum.

If I end up having to purge people who openly defend someone who says they want to rape children ahem, 'wish to engage in a nuanced and reasonable debate about the validity of supposed claims of a minor-attracted person', I will do so without hesitation or remorse.

I will not become known as 'Proctor Zakharov, the man who tolerates people effortposting about morally acceptable levels of paedophilia'. I have already given you an unbelievable level of clemency that I can confidently say no other web admin would ever give you. I don't think even Null would be this tolerant.

You are rapidly becoming an active brand risk, and I will not die on the hill you are trying to push me onto. But try and nudge me just a few more steps. Please.

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You are threatening to ban people from holding viewpoints different from yourself and ascribing motive to them for it.

You don't want to walk down that path.

When I heard about Kiki being worse than fucking Marina, I thought "Oh, someone's found a video of her fucking kids and doing drugs with them." But then it was just her a pedophile, which, being a troon, Marina already is.

AO Cody said:

You are threatening to ban people from holding viewpoints different from yourself and ascribing motive to them for it.

You don't want to walk down that path.

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Dude, just log off and think about everything you're in denial, and you're making statements you will regret. Im surprised Procter hasn't handed out temp thread bans on this, TBH. It's clear there are a lot of denial posts on this stuff, and I feel a lot of the users here are going to regret their stances when morning comes.

Ed O'neill said:

Ralph needs to stop being lazy and discover Froot or one of numerous other Kikis (no not Ember plz) to shit on before we get off of this ride

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Has he brought up any more vtubers since his lil sperg out at the beginning of this arc? I don't rrat very often, but maybe doxxing two Holo Myth vtubers got him a letter from Cover Corp?

AO Cody said:

The information we have is too messy and unreliable to make any concrete judgments beyond "this woman absolutely needs to get off the Internet and get help before she goes down a dark path."

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What is messy about someone admitting that they've had inappropriate thoughts about children and then stating that they went and taught children? Before the teaching part, you might have had a point because she just had thoughts and punishing someone for thoughts is a bridge too far in my book. However the fact that she put herself in a position to act on those thoughts when she knows its wrong is all sorts of fucked. Even in your statement here:

AO Cody said:

Like I said, she's too damaged to take her at her word on anything.

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Then let's ignore her interpretations and take the supposed facts:
-She is a victim of grooming and thus knows how that song and dance works
-She has admitted that she has had sexual feelings for the children, not loli or shota, explicitly stated children
-She went out of her way to teach and be in a situation where she would be around children and have power over them

I'm sorry but if you're a recovering drug addict, you don't actively go hang out in trap houses if you're actively trying to avoid relapsing. She may not think she's a pedo but she knows she has those thoughts and should know better than to put herself in that position.

The Proctor said:

I will not become known as 'Proctor Zakharov, the man who tolerates people effortposting about morally acceptable levels of paedophilia'.

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Damn. Pippaposting thread catching strays.

Henrik Carter said:

When I heard about Kiki being worse than fucking Marina, I thought "Oh, someone's found a video of her fucking kids and doing drugs with them." But then it was just her a pedophile, which, being a troon, Marina already is.

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Yeah Proctor is a going a little bit hard with that banner but this shit its still fucking disgusting regardless

It is still not too late for anyone to dig up, but with every passing moment, that opportunity shortens!

I just spaced out for a moment and had the bizarre realisation that you guys are discussing arguably the most sensitive topic ever broached on this forum, over a png of an Ethan Ralph pig in a fed shirt.

Zizara said:

"Kiki's behaviour is incredibly gross and I don't like it but until there's actionable evidence of child abuse it's hard to make this go anywhere" is a real fucking weird sort of defending kid diddling

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Brother have you seen her community, the shit she likes and the people she sorrounds herself with?
What kind of evidence do you want? because I can assure you we are never going to get her hidden CP stash (if she does have one, hopefully she doesn't) and belive it or not most pedos, even the ones consuming CSAM, don't go around grooming and assaulting children, most of them limit themselves to porn so getting that evidence will be problematic to say the least.
What we can do, and you're refusing to do, is look at her public actions, the community she has fostered and the leaks that we do have and from there we can conclude that at the very least she shouldn't go around teaching children anything.

AO Cody said:

Speaking of fueling the fire, I would caution anyone from trying to cross-pollinate with this forum and that KF thread. You're not gonna convince anyone on the farms of anything, and you're just more likely to bring trouble here.

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They've been turning this place into Diet Kiwi Farms for a while now, you only just noticed?

reinigen said:

I want to state, for the record, all 4 moderators are unified on our position on this. So enjoy the consequences when they come.

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CONSEQUENCES
WILL NEVER BE
THE SAME

John Vtuber👁️ said:

It is still not too late for anyone to dig up, but with every passing moment, that opportunity shortens!

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Dude, if we keep digging, we'll end up on Bilibili...

God's Strongest Dragoon said:

What is messy about someone admitting that they've had inappropriate thoughts about children and then stating that they went and taught children? Before the teaching part, you might have had a point because she just had thoughts and punishing someone for thoughts is a bridge too far in my book. However the fact that she put herself in a position to act on those thoughts when she knows its wrong is all sorts of fucked. Even in your statement here:

Then let's ignore her interpretations and take the supposed facts:
-She is a victim of grooming and thus knows how that song and dance works
-She has admitted that she has had sexual feelings for the children, not loli or shota, explicitly stated children
-She went out of her way to teach and be in a situation where she would be around children and have power over them

I'm sorry but if you're a recovering drug addict, you don't actively go hang out in trap houses if you're actively trying to avoid relapsing.

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I feel like we're talking over each other. I'm agreeing with you, here. I think the teaching thing, like I said, is extremely concerning. But we are missing a ton of reliable information.

I'm not defending Kiki beyond saying she does not seem to be a predator based on her behavior. She wants to be the kid being molested. That is supremely fucked up, but not predatory.

My stance is a neutral one. Kiki has not shown any evidence of predatory behavior, but it's clear she's not over what happened to her and coping in a very unhealthy way that may lead to predatory behavior of she doesn't get the help she needs.

I do think getting hyper emotional about this is going to lead to a lot of serious mistakes being made and potentially guaranteeing she takes that dark path. I would rather nurture a chance at fixing the problem than ensuring the problem gets worse.

AO Cody said:

You are threatening to ban people from holding viewpoints different from yourself and ascribing motive to them for it.

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Hate to break it to you, but this has been my stance from day one. From the day I opened this forum I have done my best to make it transparently clear there are some things I will not tolerate. This is one of them. You are making excuses for a monster, and you are doing so as if this is somehow a good thing that it is morally correct to do. You of all people should know better, given your track record carrying water for Rackets.

Every single community in existence has this line. Some are more vague about it than others, and I like to imagine I'm better at hiding it than most. But you're at that line right now. I do my absolute level best to not allow my personal opinions and attitudes to affect my decisions here, but that is because I have very strong libertarian-aligned principles and believe that in a free and open debate, the correct ideas will win over the incorrect ideas.

But when people demonstrate they have so fundamentally and efficiently suppressed their intrinsic, visceral disgust for certain behaviours and activities, I cease to believe that a free and open debate will be productive, so I switch to the other very strong libertarian principle; that it is legally and morally justifiable to shoot people dead if they trespass on your land with ill intention. This forum is my land.

Hopefully that clears things up.

Null's coverage of Randbot/Kiki from today's MATI. The first minute or so is him retracting his claims of Pippa & Kirsche being at all similar to Kiki.

Wait, I'm just now realizing, what fucking teaching position did she hold if she's 20 years old right now and has been a vtuber for almost 3 years?

wrp said:

Wait, I'm just now realizing, what fucking teaching position did she hold if she's 20 years old right now and has been a vtuber for almost 3 years?

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Well I don't know anything about Australia, but in the US in some cases you would have fairly young people (usually women) teach kids 3rd grade or below. It was more like group daycare though in a lot of cases.

Like she could be lying, or it could have been fairly recent.