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You're expecting a logical choice from a child abuse victim with mental illness. It's typical terrible self-medication from a trauma patient.
For what it's worth, I think this is the most reasonable take I've seen today. I don't begrudge anyone for getting emotionally invested in this since it's obviously an incredibly unpleasant thing to talk about, but I kinda needed this written out plainly like this for my own sanity.Even if she's "just a menhera on the edge", there is a risk that she is a predator, and by all that we can see, she is not actively seeking help.
People going against you probably feel your attitude is potentially putting children at risk. Would it not be possible for her to get the help you believe she needs, but also prevent her from being in contact with/a position of power over children? And also separate her from her enabling fanbase?
Couldn't agree with this post more. Especially paragraph 2, there. This whole thing is fucked, and ugly as all hell.For what it's worth, I think this is the most reasonable take I've seen today. I don't begrudge anyone for getting emotionally invested in this since it's obviously an incredibly unpleasant thing to talk about, but I kinda needed this written out plainly like this for my own sanity.
If Kiki wants to salvage this I think she needs to drop the Kiki persona and check herself in to get a professional opinion. That's all that really can be done at this point that doesn't involve either putting herself or young people around her at risk; she's obviously not a well person and she's already overstepped lines that should never be overstepped, and having incredibly questionable people in her audience enabling her will only make the problem worse over time. It's obviously not easy for a streamer to filter out undesirables from their audience, Yuko killed all her entire channel doing it, but serious situations call for serious measures, and the Kiki persona's branding literally defines her as the 4chan rabbit so a simple rebrand won't separate her from her previous behaviour as much as it would for someone with less-severe baggage.
If there's one thing that I am hesitant about it's the idea of vigilante justice. It doesn't sit right with me because I know how easy it is for morally justifiable shaming to snowball into morally questionable shaming as more targets expose themselves, none of us are above becoming the bad guys if we're upset or angry enough - but it also doesn't sit right with me to just leave it alone and let it happen. The evidence we have looks awful but there's no smoking gun that would get her convicted of anything so it's literally just a social issue right now, unless someone goes over there to check her hard drives and finds something worse. I'm not sure how I'd feel about someone from the community invoking that (PLEASE DO NOT IMPULSIVELY ENGAGE WITH HER, I AM SPECULATING OPTIONS, NOT ENCOURAGING IMMEDIATE ACTION), since while it'd give a clearer idea on how severe the situation is, it could also go wrong and enable her further if the police show up, find nothing, and tell her she's a good girl who dindu nuffin'.
I don't know man, I don't fucking like this situation at all. It takes a lot for words on a screen to get to me but even just watching this from the sidelines is making me uncomfortable, props to you guys who've been digging and compiling this information.
Victims?I hope you realize that Kiki's victims and the people reporting on her actions know about this thread.
Retard, it is a very big fucking deal to allege now that she actually bad touched someone, it is not digging a hole to ask about thatthere is still time to dig up, I am begging you
Victims?
Victims?
Retard, it is a very big fucking deal to allege now that she actually bad touched someone, it is not digging a hole to ask about that
It's been like that since man crawled out of the slime.because they have a pussy and tits you will never get to touch. The fate of humanity is grim
Do you have privileged access to information we don't? I wouldn't expect you to drop it right away if so, things obviously need to be verified etc., but if you have something more severe than what's gone public so far that would explain the disconnect between the forum staff and posters in the thread right now.I wasn't talking about her 'bad touching someone'. I wouldn't sit on that kind of info if I had it. You'll have to wait for anything more.
Do you have privileged access to information we don't? I wouldn't expect you to drop it right away if so, things obviously need to be verified etc., but if you have something more severe than what's gone public so far that would explain the disconnect between the forum staff and posters in the thread right now.
I'm especially concerned about Sawa, since she's a pretty cool and interesting vtuber.He didn't give a free pass to Pippa yet, tho. I hope vtubers I like don't get mixed into this shit. Sawa collabed (amongst others) with Pyon just a few days ago...
Women.Off-topic: why what's with vtubers having dark or shady pasts lately? It seems to be trend for this year.
I LOVE watching people stand up for the poor Minor Attracted Person while watching my 20-month sleep on her baby monitor.and Reinigen, who has the superpower of actually having a life.
If you have more damning info than the Short post, you should at least make that clear rather than expecting people outside your channel of information to understand the situation the same as you do. We can only form an opinion based on the information at hand. Barring that, or at least some inclination that there's more to the story than we've seen, of course there's going to be a disconnect that leads to a lot of emotionally heightened arguments.I hope that people would instinctively understand by now that I don't just commit myself to ideas without doing my own research yet. I am not a passive person; I reach out, make connections, ask questions and solicit attention. I do this via the staggeringly complicated and impossibly difficult route of being able to talk to women for more than five minutes without asking to see her tits.
Edit: Oh, and beyond that, the staff include people like thhrang, who for some reason refuses to leverage his incredible autism into a highly productive career as a forensic accountant, and Reinigen, who has the superpower of actually having a life.
I can appreciate that. The reason I bring it up is because the publicly-known Kiki victim (for lack of a better word) that keeps getting brought up was a 4chan paedophile who, regardless of who initiated it, was a grown adult having a sexual relationship with an underage girl, so it's easy to mentally offload all the wrongs in the situation onto him. Kiki's hands certainly aren't clean there as I've said before, but there's absolutely no ambiguity that a grown man who sought out a minor for sex is the worst figure in the story.I hope that people would instinctively understand by now that I don't just commit myself to ideas without doing my own research yet. I am not a passive person; I reach out, make connections, ask questions and solicit attention. I do this via the staggeringly complicated and impossibly difficult route of being able to talk to women for more than five minutes without asking to see her tits.
Edit: Oh, and beyond that, the staff include people like thhrang, who for some reason refuses to leverage his incredible autism into a highly productive career as a forensic accountant, and Reinigen, who has the superpower of actually having a life.