A Career Burnt to Sinders

[21st Century Pipkin Man]

After nanoless ratted out Sinder to the ones currently cancelling her, it may have been a better move for those affected to call her out privately, call her and Redacted to stand for the messages and actions that were done, and come to a "punishment" privately (excommunication from the friend group, etc), rather than the public expose that has carried on in the past few days. The communities would notice that something happened, and that suddenly she is no longer welcome with the group, but that a generic "we had a falling out over something behind the scenes, and that is all I can say" statement should be the response given.

Little rrat paws typed this post.

 

[Black Sheep]

So no Whoreocaust? No implosion of the western large-breasted twitch vtuber scene? Can we conclusively say that this was just Sinder getting outed for being a bit of a cunt, and everyone else lining up, weepy-eyed and dramatic to confirm that yes she's a bit of a cunt? How disappointing. I was hoping for a bust-up, not an execution but it seems Sinder has no ammunition to fire back and no one is taking her side. How lame.

 

[PleaseCheckYourReceipts]

Btw what did Bao do in her past life to get scammed this much. Though I do wonder if any of the scam companies that she's gotten hit by were recommended by Sinder.

Bao is, very technically, emotionally unstable. Not erratic, which is what most people mean. I mean she can be pushed in either direction mostly outside of her own control. That's a prime target for exploitation, sadly.

Overall I agree though I don't think she will grow closer to girliepop, might get close to Bao but the others is hard to say. And she already is friendly to Lily and might grow closer to her. Like what does she gain by getting closer to the rest of girliepop?

E- for context the members of girliepop to the last of my knowledge.
Trickywi, Vienna, Yuzu, Bao, Numi, and likely formerly Sinder.

Btw I'm still expecting more of them to come out cause I don't think Bao and Vienna are going to be the only ones to speak about Sinder.

There's a couple of others around Numi that could fit in with that group, depending on where you draw the line. Camilia and Tobs are around, for certain. And Tara has popped up recently.

Only one I expected to have mean girl energy is trickywi but I don't see her being that much of a snake to her friends. Vienna has more professionalism that she won't start anything, she used to be part of the esport team cloud 9 and a game dev, like even what she said about Sinder is pretty professional. Yuzu and Numi are just as unlikely to start anything but I don't have any reasons to say why. As for Bao unless she's just as much of a snake as Sinder seems unlikely as well.


Just for clarity are we trying to say exclusive deal is wrong cause if so this seems just petty and dumb. Like if they are getting good money why not take a deal like that.

The one thing about the Numi-sphere types is I think most of them are a little too pathetic to hold sociopathic-line Sinder/Red did. I'm sure there's plenty of catfighting behind the scenes, because "Women", but all of them are a bit too transparent to manage what Sinder did. Also, Numi apparently gives off massive "steal my purse" vibes for some weird reason.

Let's do a half-measure and only be racist against Flip males.

A 10 in any culture is at least a 7 anywhere else. -- From "The British Sailor's Guide to Repopulating the Planet".

Tenma demands BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE

Tenma as a major leader of Khrone just makes sense.

After seeing the situation and fallout for a few days now, I wonder if those who dropped the character destruction towards Sinder bothered to run any of their planned actions and statements past their lawyers, in a basic Cover Your Ass before speaking sense. These people are a business as much as they are individuals, and a careless action or statement that can't be backed by hard proof could have an actionable response for interference. (It is not what you think or what you feel about something, it is what you can prove to a court) If you can't prove that Sinder had knowledge of what was happening, beyond "She and Red do stuff together", you may not want to call it out as her being in the know, and especially not in a public takedown.

After nanoless ratted out Sinder to the ones currently cancelling her, it may have been a better move for those affected to call her out privately, call her and Redacted to stand for the messages and actions that were done, and come to a "punishment" privately (excommunication from the friend group, etc), rather than the public expose that has carried on in the past few days. The communities would notice that something happened, and that suddenly she is no longer welcome with the group, but that a generic "we had a falling out over something behind the scenes, and that is all I can say" statement should be the response given. I'm sure there would be a ton of speculation and maybe someone leaks something on a burner account, but definitely nothing revealed like it has been so far. As it is now, a case can be made for the interference with the business that is the Sinder character, and that those making public statements did so with the express intention of causing harm to said business. A good lawyer would keep you from sticking your own head out in order to chop off someone else's, when a quick private knife in the side in a back room would be the smarter/safer option.

And before anyone gives the "Sinder interfered with them", yes she did, and they could try to seek recompense legally as well. But at the same time, they would be stringing nanoless up alongside her for her actions in the whole affair, and the heavier portion of ther blame could fall onto her for the actual action of cancellations for other reasons. Jursdictions and the like being a whole other matter to deal with.

This is all just a thought to roll around, more theory than actual legal possibilty.

I had that thought as well, after the first Google Docs dropped and the reality that Sinder/Red could easily default to that approach. If it happens, it'll be a bit. I do think a couple of the girls ran their public statements by some sort of legal, because most of them aren't that incompetent, but we'll have to see. The jurisdiction aspects changes the nature of the entire game. The one that would be at the most risk is Spite because of UK Libel laws.

I think the important bit, for now, is that Sinder hasn't lost any of her accounts by some sort of secondary action. If they had networked to get her banned on Twitch, then I could absolutely see the lawsuits flying. I'm sure they've sought legal advice, but, as of now, most avenues are probably off the table.

The one wildcard is Nano. She's in Brazil and I have zero clue what could be done with that.

I do think this probably eventually gets to lawyering, but Sinder/Red also open themselves up for some wild counter-suits depending on who they target. There's also the reality that they'll have a pretty large fan base with both means and insights against them. Discovery probably goes really poorly, and the only one getting anything useful out of it all is the billable hours for the lawyers.

Just as a hypothetical assuming they did how pray tell them go about that? Lily is in the Netherlands, Nano is ESL don't know the country, Spite British, and silvervale is American.

Slander/liable are meaningless as like you need to prove actually malice, and how do you do that exactly? Likely red and Sinder because they lived together never wrote down anything they were planning. And even if could prove any how do you tie it back to Sinder? Common sense dictates that but how on court? Cause at best your proving red to be a POS.

British Libel laws are more about "was damage done?", so Spite would have the most first level worry. Nano is in Brazil and I'm completely unaware what risks might exist there. The American-based ones are going to be fairly safe on the Libel/Defamation side of things, but Interference could crop up. It'd also be wildly counter-suable, which is why any legal advice Sinder/Red is getting would just tell them to shutup and don't do something stupid.

This probably does end up being lawyered in a couple of years, but, for now, we'll see.

Slander/Liable are only civil action and even if you figured out jurisdiction, your odds of getting a trial, like Depp, is low and even if you did getting a jury to agree, again let's look at the Depp trial, are very low or having it just outright dismissed by a judge are a lot higher because they see this as a waste of the courts time.

Note I'm only judging this from an American perspective cause it's the only one I know.

Jurisdictions matter a lot for that stuff, even in the States. Sinder easily passes the "public figure" test, so Libel would be a waste of money/get hit by anti-SLAPP rules. Interference and foreign jurisdiction filings are a different thing.

Defamation case will be retarded waste of time and money, tortuous interference is the only viable way, much lower bar to clear.

Agreed. Those that get cancellation attempts really should have used it a lot more, especially when social media coordination to get people removed from systems is a pretty slam dunk proof. In this case, so far I haven't seen any of the Vtubers call for sponsor removals and the like. At least of the direct circle effected by Sinder. They've played this pretty clean so far, but Sinder/Red could easily do something stupid.

The only reason to file a suit you can't win (she can't) is to dox everyone who just reenacted the Ides of March on you.

That's entirely possible as a reason to do it and it wouldn't be the first time it's happened. Though almost everyone involved is pretty exposed.

 

[MerelyTourist]

Alright ladyboy figure out jurisdiction now and figure out if that bar moves.

US only. Too flimsy case and too little money involved to even think of going international.

Courts can still try to get out of country actors to appear through certain means, and if they have US ties (Twitch use, partial ownership of a US based company like GS,) they could compel appearance or even remote testimony or force an injunction against those interests, though it would be a stretch and very unlikely.

No one does it, because this doesn't work. Every foreign court ruling must be confirmed for enforcement by local court and trivially easy to repeal for individuals. To extract money you have to sue overseas anyway. So, not happening.

@Azehara Even mighty Nintendo failed to sue brazilian switch emulator dev and had to buy him out like bitches they are.

 

[Ginkgo Balboa 🌾🗡]

Is that Kaunu Reeves?

That's an actual question case that doesn't look like his face

I think we should keep discussion about Rampart.

 

[Brosnan Pierce Brosnan]

Sinder if you are reading this go after them through the power of Australian and Japanese courts. You have the money, you have the power. Use them. Do it, no balls

 

[Phantasm]

Sinder if you are reading this go after them through the power of Australian and Japanese courts. You have the money, you have the power. Do it, no balls

Does that insult still work on women?

 

[Negronald Trump]

Let me just say, this is the only opinion that matters on this whole Sinder drama.

 

[Ginkgo Balboa 🌾🗡]

Let me just say, this is the only opinion that matters on this whole Sinder drama.

Holy shit, even the cute little calculator hates her guts.

 

[electronic elephant]

Does that insult still work on women?

 

[dumdum did nothing wrong]

This person isn't buying Nano was a victim and was blocked by her.



Interesting thing is this person arranged the various screenshots between Nano and Red/Sinder in order and yeah Nano ain't no victim here. She either turned on Sinder cause the exclusivity tanked her business and rep or Lily went all wompfather on Nano and made her a offer Nano couldn't refuse.

All Screen Shots From Doc In Order

All Screen Shots From All Doc From The Sinder Drama In Order 2023 2024 2025

docs.google.com

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Doc:: Archive Credit to @Smelliest007

 

[Smelliest007]

Tweet: Archive
Doc: Archive for some reason ghost archive is giving me trouble on archiving the doc so if someone can help here that'd appreciated

Not the best with Google Docs from archive.is but here you go

https://archive.is/yY9hq

 

[PleaseCheckYourReceipts]

This person isn't buying Nano was a victim and was blocked by her.

View attachment 96458

Interesting thing is this person arranged the various screenshots between Nano and Red/Sinder in order and yeah Nano ain't no victim here. She either turned on Sinder cause the exclusivity tanked her business and rep or Lily went all wompfather on Nano and made her a offer Nano couldn't refuse.

All Screen Shots From Doc In Order

All Screen Shots From All Doc From The Sinder Drama In Order 2023 2024 2025

docs.google.com

Tweet: Archive
Doc: Archive for some reason ghost archive is giving me trouble on archiving the doc so if someone can help here that'd appreciated

Nano made business decisions both directions. Once the deal got bad, Nano needed to find a way out to save their reputation. The primary part, though, was Nano let Lily, Numi and Bao put together just how much of a sociopath Sinder/Red had been to them. It ones thing when things are competitive business, it's another thing to break "the code", which is what they cared about.

Also, Sinder/Red left Numi out to dry on a concert that Bao stepped in to solve at the last minute while dealing with her health issues. Sinder went a step too far.

 

[dumdum did nothing wrong]

Not the best with Google Docs from archive.is but here you go

https://archive.is/yY9hq

thanks boss.

 

[Smelliest007]

thanks boss.

https://files.catbox.moe/lhq93j.pdf

If the archive is too shit, here's a pdf copy.

 

[Superduper Samurai]

This person isn't buying Nano was a victim and was blocked by her.

View attachment 96458

Interesting thing is this person arranged the various screenshots between Nano and Red/Sinder in order and yeah Nano ain't no victim here. She either turned on Sinder cause the exclusivity tanked her business and rep or Lily went all wompfather on Nano and made her a offer Nano couldn't refuse.

All Screen Shots From Doc In Order

All Screen Shots From All Doc From The Sinder Drama In Order 2023 2024 2025

docs.google.com

Tweet: Archive
Doc:: Archive Credit to @Smelliest007

you can download this directly from google docs

https://files.catbox.moe/if89wn.pdf

I think alot of people here were already doubting Nano, but i dont think it will matter in the long run unless Sinder has another rebuttal

 

[PleaseCheckYourReceipts]

you can download this directly from google docs

https://files.catbox.moe/if89wn.pdf

I think alot of people here were already doubting Nano, but i dont think it will matter in the long run unless Sinder has another rebuttal

Probably won't, as the damage is done, but the Nano stuff is mostly secondary. It was the backstabbing and sociopathic behavior. The entire timeline starts when Sinder drops out of a concert in NYC that happened on Feb 1st to do a collab with ShyLily. (Which got pushed back as to not be obvious what happened.)

 

[Xuhle]

This person isn't buying Nano was a victim and was blocked by her.

View attachment 96458

Interesting thing is this person arranged the various screenshots between Nano and Red/Sinder in order and yeah Nano ain't no victim here. She either turned on Sinder cause the exclusivity tanked her business and rep or Lily went all wompfather on Nano and made her a offer Nano couldn't refuse.

All Screen Shots From Doc In Order

All Screen Shots From All Doc From The Sinder Drama In Order 2023 2024 2025

docs.google.com

Tweet: Archive
Doc:: Archive Credit to @Smelliest007

Like i dont think its that surprising that Nano isnt clean, but just going through the screenshots alone as ive now seen because they dont want to listen to hearsay from lawyers they miss the forest for the tree cause it looses context as well. Not to mention its just lazy because they dont have the time to actually read it.

 

[Sanalite_]

The drama finally seems to be drying up...

I hope when the next vthot drama hits, its Shylily next.

 

[Xuhle]

The drama finally seems to be drying up...

I hope when the next vthot drama hits, its Shylily next.

Will Sinder say fuck it and retaliate with any dirt she has. Find out next time on Twitch Thot Z.