Sayu (Zaion) released a massive essay on her side of the story.
I'm not opening a google doc link with one of my emails.TwitLonger
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The Termination of Zaion LanZa
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Move into the respective Thread please i dont wanna see my dear Nijifriends cry
Sayu (Zaion) released a massive essay on her side of the story.
I'm not opening a google doc link with one of my emails.TwitLonger
22 PAGES BABY HERE WE GO
Massive fucking update, Zaion/Sayu just dropped a full google doc about her side of the story
Currently the google doc is under heavy traffic mode so it cant be downloaded, but on a skim (use incognito mode to open it for obsec reasons), it debunks the laundry list of bullet points that Niji Themselves provided, its presented as if Zaion was just "Sayu's friend"
EDIT: managed to copy-paste the full doc itself and it seems like all images were saved succesfuly
Before you read the next section, “Statements and Allegations”, I ask you to please read everything in this “Intro” portion first. (Please utilize the Chapter Links in the Statements later for a proper understanding of what happened.)
Context for some of the Statements made:
-Several of the allegations written on her termination were due in part to the differences in cultural background between NIJISANJI, an agency based in Japan, and Zaion, a streamer catering to a global audience.
-None of her VODs were privated by her decision. She did not believe in hiding her mistakes in this way, and always wished to own up to them. (Thus, this document’s purpose.)
-On the “shotacon” topic: this was a long running joke stemming from before she was Zaion, coming from her origins as mainly a Genshin Impact streamer. Those who do not play Genshin wouldn’t know this, but in the game (ever since the first released units), several of the “meta” units were characters that had the appearance of young boys. They were mostly expressed to be quite old, Venti a several thousand year old god, Kazuha is 18+, Scaramouche is several thousands, etc. (Note that Xingqiu and Chongyun are 17 and Zaion has never made any sort of implication towards them.)
But, the point is that, as a player who cares about being able to clear content, Zaion would make jokes about wanting these characters because they coincidentally happened to be “shota” designs. She is not at all attracted to them in any sexual way, and is appalled at the idea. NIJISANJI also never brought this up as an issue throughout the course of her employment.
-Zaion agreed that separating would be best for both sides, but the parties were not able to reach an agreement on a joint statement.
-While attempting to argue for a more peaceful narrative than the termination statement NIJISANJI wished to make, Zaion did get written confirmation that NIJISANJI had no intention at the time to cut off or discourage her from interacting with or remaining friends with other NIJISANJI livers. She also confirmed that NIJISANJI would not avoid commissioning or working with any creators that work with her in the future.
Reference:
Regarding the harassment and doxxing Zaion has received.
She has been doxxed down to a home address, name and face by those expressing malicious intent. This happened right after her indefinite suspension on February 9th was announced, and NIJISANJI did not communicate that it would take action against the doxxers. (There is substantial video and written proof of threats including death and SWATTing, however links will be omitted for legal reasons.)
In December of 2022, NIJISANJI released a statement declaring their efforts against doxxing and harassment. Despite that announcement, NIJISANJI did not inform Zaion that it would be taking action against the spread of personal identifying information, defamatory misinformation, and daily harassment towards Zaion while she was suspended as an active liver.
I admit I did not understand exactly what victims of harassment went through, how mentally and sometimes physically damaging it is, and how hard it is to get any kind of help against it. Personally, I’m grateful for this experience so I can properly understand and empathize with others regarding this type of treatment.
Thank you in advance for reading, for understanding, and for granting us some of your precious time.
I’d like to preface this by saying I do NOT want any third parties to use what myself or Zaion are about to reveal or twist our words in any way to damage the reputation of NIJISANJI or its Livers.
We understand that NIJISANJI as a brand had to do what it felt was in the best interest for its business.
The following will be providing context and responding to the statements and allegations against Zaion.
https://archive.ragtag.moe/watch?v=98p0-ANf_Nc
The alleged mistake here was that Zaion stated that they did have permission to play the game at some point. Zaion spoke about this like any other game they had gotten confirmed permissions on that was a publicly released game, and this was after staff requested that EN not play the game. Zaion recognized that the controversy around the game is a difficult topic.
First, as Zaion was forcefully locked out of all of her accounts during her second suspension, she resorted to using her PL Twitter account to browse Twitter. She did make the mistake of “liking” a random reply that she was browsing through, and did “unlike” it after realizing her mistake. It was not her intention to bring attention to nor imply anything, but the mistake was made. Zaion did apologize profusely to staff and explained her mistake.
Second, this also refers to Zaion’s previously owned Discord server’s admin making a post about how production for mouse pads that were owed to previous subathon supporters were finally being made. No intention to sell these as merchandise products was ever emphasized.
However, this could have been perceived as her planning to leave the company, and hinting fans at doing so. Zaion did explain the situation in a voice call to staff; however, after claiming that they would “check the facts'' for each of these instances, they still listed on her termination letter, “showing absolutely no signs of remorse for [her] behavior.” An excerpt of the Cancellation Notice is shown below.
Reference:
First, on the topic regarding sexual assault, Zaion felt horrible that she made this mistake. This refers to a joke made during her stream of the game “The Karaoke”, a Chilla’s Art horror game. A lot of streamers, Zaion included, turn on “streamer mode” in their brains to try to keep a several hour stream constantly light hearted and entertaining and making a joke out of everything that goes on. Unfortunately, she forgot the situation of the space she was in, and made a joke that was inappropriate. There was no malicious intent, and she takes full responsibility. The comment was not aiming to make light of SA or its victims. Since it could not be said at the time, Zaion apologizes for this.
This stream and its contents were not one of the stated reasons for Zaion’s suspension. (Seen at 2:04:48)
https://archive.ragtag.moe/watch?v=mLF2qIJSZgs
Second, regarding any offensive remarks involving discrimination, no serious remarks were ever made towards any specific people or culture. There is one instance in Zaion’s second ever livestream on December 11th, where a viewer jokingly asked her if they could use the term “Zionists” as a fan name for her community. She clearly stated “I don’t think we can do that” in response, knowing full well that it was not her place to use such a term. Unfortunately, NIJISANJI characterized Zaion’s nervous laughter when addressing this viewer’s comment as “remarks mocking political or religious beliefs” in her termination letter, even though this was not the case.
Clips of this instance can be found online, but links are omitted for legal reasons.
First, a stream on February 4th, that was a Nintendo game. Zaion had many successful Nintendo streams in the past leading up to the stream on the 4th, complying to rules which will not be stated here. However, on the 4th, Zaion made a mistake. YouTube has an autofill function for its video descriptions. She used it that day and missed the adjustment of part of the description, and was notified by her manager as such mid-stream. Her manager adjusted it for her; Zaion thanked them for that, and apologized for her mistake.
Second, regarding the FFXIV account in use. Simply put, Zaion made a choice that was not what was agreed on, and thus this was completely the fault of Zaion. The rumor of Zaion using mods is false.
What staff wanted was a new character, upon a new account. New accounts require the game, (along with subsequent story skips or level boosts), to all be officially bought from the Square Enix store in order to participate in the content that Zaion had readied. No form of compensation for this (or for new Genshin or other game accounts) was discussed.
Zaion regrets that she had a poor lapse in judgment. She chose to use a character she already had, that simply had little to no logs. While she changed the character name and no PL (Past Life) issues came up, she did tell her manager she would make a new character and did not. She explained this to staff and apologized for her lack of compliance with this.
This comment as well as Zaion’s answer was cut out of the vod on December 11th/12th per staff’s request: https://archive.ragtag.moe/watch?v=ZikpNTbHzpY
Reference:
“Falsely claiming to be sponsored” is wrong because "deez nuts" is not a brand.
Nevertheless, she was asked by her manager to private the VOD for the reason that they felt that she was claiming to be sponsored by the “Dee’s Nuts” company during this bit, and she apologized and complied.
Link to the privated stream:
https://archive.ragtag.moe/watch?v=GbLe9FldQN8
In their last call, Zaion begged for them to consider a more professional approach to future commentary between the two sides. To this, NIJISANJI refused, stating they “needed to protect their brand.” Some of the allegations written are untrue or uncontextualized which negatively impacted Zaion’s character.
Zaion agrees with the decisions. She did make mistakes and agreed that separation was appropriate for both sides. I believe that there were a lot of things provided without proper context that negatively impacted her character.
In the end, Zaion wishes things could have gone differently. Some NIJISANJI members have spoken about Zaion’s termination and she wishes to avoid giving context on that here, as she does not wish to direct harassment towards anyone else. That aside, Zaion sees this as a huge learning experience and sincerely hopes everyone can move on from this chapter.
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I’d like to preface this by saying I DO NOT want any third parties to use what I’m about to reveal or twist my words in any way to damage the reputation of NIJISANJI or its Livers. This is simply Zaion’s first hand experience chronologically listed from the moment she was onboarded, to her final moments.
I want to ask everyone to put themselves in Zaion’s shoes for a moment in the present. As a content creator who has been doing this full-time for over a year (way before joining NIJISANJI), it's hard going about your day, supporting your friends on Twitter multiple times every single day, and reading their content as you used to. Then, when the suspensions and termination happen, you’re told you must obey the silencing contract. But, what this results in is suddenly being blocked or unfollowed by several people who you have considered to be your friends or who you've cared deeply for for a long time. People who knew her as a person, and still cared for her in return, are even harassed for caring for their friend.
Zaion became increasingly afraid of hurting the few friends she had left, and avoided many of them completely.
She still doesn’t know how some friends feel about her now.
She still lives in a constant fear of making everyone feel uncomfortable just by being around them.
Zaion was someone who was always incredibly excited to spend time with her friends IRL at cons, and would go out of her way to do so. The constant cycle of guilt and trauma drove Zaion to a very dark place and still does. There were people that she trusted and told her struggles to. Some understood, and some understood this as her gaslighting or guilting them, when she confided in them.
It’s true that most of them didn't really know Zaion as a person. But it's not fair that the simple way they knew her is now forcefully replaced by this storm of complicated and strong words that don't actually have "her" in them.
It goes without saying that the characters we play online aren't the full "us". You can't assume how bad someone feels, how sad they are, just because they play a happy character online. Just speaking for myself, what banner I'm under or what character I play never changed my own style.
I did read as much as I could about what everyone was saying, be it on YouTube news videos, various posts on Twitter, posts on my YouTube account, or yes, even DMs sent to my Twitter. I want to make it known that I read every Twitter DM, and just about every YouTube comment. After everything, Zaion felt like a failure. She felt like her dream, and who she was at her core, was now ruined because of this experience. She did desire to end her own life. But each and every kind message pulled her back from the brink. Without all of you, a person would no longer exist.
Some of her stories will be omitted for legal reasons. Please respect this.
Then 2 minutes after the confirmed meeting time, they sent me a new email with the link.
The interview itself felt fine. There were two people on the call. It felt like they were asking questions based on the answers I gave, which made me feel like they were listening and did care about the person I was. There wasn't any information told to me regarding specifics of their company, like how they ran things differently from other VTuber or talent agencies. Things like: being unable to use my current social media or streaming accounts forever vs simply for a short amount of time, being unable to use any current game accounts or allowing certain ones, etc. None of that was included, it was a simple interview.
What was interesting, came at the very end though. I had mentioned that I previously had a job at a tech company. One of the interviewers, who hadn't said a single thing until then, asked me in Japanese, how much I used to make as an independent streamer. I told him how much from subscriptions, sponsorships, etc, and he responded: “mm”.
Then immediately following that, he asked how much I used to make at my tech job. I answered that I actually made less than I currently did as a streamer. He gave me the same "mm" and then said he had no further questions.
I thought, well, if they're gonna ask questions like that, then I'll ask one that I wasn't sure if I could ask. And I asked: "Do you guys have a monthly salary or minimum per month that you pay to your talents?"
That interviewer answered, "No, but I can tell you that if you sign under us that you'll make more than you're making right now." I'll never forget that. But at the time the compensation structure was not discussed.
Fast forward to the 21st of August. I made it through to the final interview with the CEO. This was the only time in the entire time I had been there, that I would get to even see his presence in my, or the talent's, vicinity, let alone speak with him.
He asked questions that I thought were very good and well thought out. Things such as "what kind of character do you want to play?" to which I answered, "I'm usually the anti-hero. I like saying things that make people laugh or surprise or shock them. I love getting reactions out of people."
He also asked how much I wished to act for my future character on stream. I said, "that depends on how much content the company and I end up expecting of myself. If I do shorter hours per day, then of course that makes it easier to keep up a persona further from myself. If I do longer hours like I'm used to doing however, then it would be easier if I was being more myself."
Again, nothing regarding how they ran the company or what they expected me to "give up" was mentioned.
I asked them to push the deadline back, because I would be gone at Twitchcon. The new due date turned out to be after I would hear my genmate's voices for the first time, but that was all the knowledge I'd have.
After I submitted my recordings, they messaged me back saying the producer said my recordings were no good due to some background noise, and that I would need to go to an actual studio to record my lines or "clean them up". So I asked a friend who dabbles in DJing as a hobby to clean up the same audio files for me, and submitted them again. At this point I received no more updates on the song, so I assumed they were fine.
I personally incurred the cost of planning a successful debut. Our lore was written by ourselves. I had to find people who had the skill sets needed for the graphics and animations myself, and pay for them myself. By the time we debuted, I was already hugely in the red, in order to plan and execute a debut befitting of a talent of such a big company.
But that was far from what we got. The manager they assigned to manage our whole generation of 6, was someone who was a 2 week old hire. It was not the manager who trained us for the whole month of November with whom we developed a bond, nor the person who worked with us through the onboarding.
Anytime I had a call with our manager to discuss something, THEIR manager was also there. And it was pretty much just me asking him stuff while she sat there and nodded her head. If there was something I wished to do, or something I thought was worth fighting for, it felt like it wasn’t fought for. All I experienced was the expectation to bow your head down and not to question the system.
Several other talents in the EN branch were also streaming while using game accounts they owned before joining the company. Even though the precedent was there, I was trying to see if there were any other rules they wished for me to follow. And my manager said:
And thus, I covered my ID and we had an incredibly fun stream. Most corporate streamers who play Genshin on stream are usually newer players who try it because their viewers wanted to, inexperienced players, or just doing it because of a sponsorship. So many fans expressed how enjoyable it was to see someone play who actually cared a lot about the game and played it seriously. It's an honor for me to represent that.
However, not long after the stream had concluded, I got another message from my manager:
Other livers are able to use their past accounts and I was not. I had a 2 year-old account I wished to use, and a lot of content planned for my future streams centered around it.
Having the stream VOD from that day privated also meant that I could no longer earn money from new views on it, and consequently stunted my growth analytics because–as one of my most successful streams–it was no longer visible content to the public in my debut week. Fans were asking me where that stream went. And I wasn't allowed to tell them what happened. Many people attacked me for using my old account which I had received permission to use, then had taken away, saying that it was “my fault for probably using it without permission.” My manager and their manager told me to tell people that it was like a "peek into my hard work of the past, and now I'll start something new together with my new fans". And that's the lie I painfully ran with.
I did my best to argue for the rights to use that Genshin account, saying that this was not the term I entered the company on. And that plenty of other talents in the company used, and still were using, their old accounts. I had a call with my manager and her manager, and they told me that the reason I couldn't use my old accounts now was “because they existed before Zaion LanZa did.” When I said I could not agree with that, we had a second call, and nothing changed. Finally, I told my genmates what was going on, asking them for help. Since some of them had past accounts, they were also under the impression they would be able to use them. We all had a group call with the two managers.
Once again, the narrative was changed. The managers said that they would consider past game accounts on a "per game basis", and approved of a game that my genmate wanted to use. When mine was brought up, they said "it's because [you were] an official Genshin content creator and that counts as a sponsorship. And you can't use accounts that were previously sponsored."
This expanded the scope of the matter beyond just my Genshin account. But first, I rejected that claim, because in the official rules for being an "official Genshin Impact Content Creator" explicitly states that it does NOT count as a sponsorship in any way. “Official Genshin content creators'' do not get paid for creating Genshin-related content. Also, in preparation for joining NIJISANJI, I purposely did not reapply for my position as an official Genshin content creator, and thus I hadn't been part of the program for 2 months.
Then, the managers said "but [you were] a pioneer for the game, so a lot of people know that account." This was yet another completely new argument from them. This normally would hold no weight, because no single Genshin account can be distinguished from another. Every account is able to get every character, every item, every outfit. Nothing is unique except for the user ID that could be hidden.
At this point, I had my suspicions about their real reason, and I gave up on arguing any further.
So, I moved onto my other game accounts, such as Alchemy Stars and Guardian Tales. Because I had been sponsored by those game's companies twice each, I greatly enjoyed working with them and we had a great working relationship. I relayed this to my managers, and they said because those accounts were sponsored at any time in their existence, I could not use them here. I felt like I was being punished for my past success. Prior to hearing this, I was under the impression that NIJISANJI would be happy to have someone who had been on good terms with several other companies whom they also worked with. Funnily enough, one of those Alchemy Stars sponsorship events was WITH two of their own EN talents who were now my senpais.
So I reached out to the two people who had onboarded us at the start. They were not our direct managers, but they were people who I trusted and felt comfortable with. I DMed them stating how bad I felt that I kept making mistakes, that I didn’t know what to do (in order to continue being creative but not infringing on one rule or another). I DMed them saying I was sad, asking if there was anything that could be done about my Genshin account, and saying that overall I just felt uncomfortable.
And one of them responded. The person who trained us was someone I loved a lot, and it seemed like everyone did. She was kind enough to have a voice call with me, and talk through my feelings and issues, and even offered to try to fight for the Genshin account issue. That was enough for me. I knew that it was a difficult thing with a company that big, and I didn’t have any expectations past her just trying. I was incredibly grateful that I just had someone in the staff that I could speak to.
But we would never speak like that again. In a call between my manager and their manager, I was told of my New Years suspension, and that DMing a manager was one of the reasons I was being suspended. I felt hurt and shocked; even my genmates had said they’d DMed managers before. I hadn’t said anything that would hurt anyone or was a secret. But that was that.
Finally, he acquiesced. At the end of the call, my manager's manager asked me what I'm going to tell my fans. This was asked in a manner that made me feel pressured to say, “Oh, I’m…just going to say that my family asked me to come on a last minute holiday trip.”
Because of what happened with a prior graduation in the company, I had already been told by my senpais that oftentimes suspensions would be disguised as “breaks” by the talents. Now, I understand why.
So the New Years countdown that I promised my fans, of course, could no longer happen. And I told them that "my family rarely does anything out of town so I had to go on this last minute trip." That I would be gone from the 30th and return on the 10th.
That never happened; I just stayed at home and tried to see if there were any IRL friends around who didn’t already go on vacation elsewhere or weren’t too busy.
At the same time, Haku, one of my two cats, 4 years old, was suffering from a liver disease that required me to feed him every few hours. So it would morbidly work out that I had the time to take care of him, however it was incredibly expensive and even now I’m still trying to pay off the incurred bills.
I did not feel supported by my manager when I shared this information. The subsequent distress was compounded by the fact that staff had locked me out of all of my accounts. Forced to sit in all of this alone, this would be one of the most difficult times of my life.
Everything past this is history. There was a lot I enjoyed about being in NIJISANJI. There were a lot of people I looked up to, who I liked, who I trusted with all my heart. There were some really fun times.
But as much as I wanted to stay and with how hard I tried to do something different each time I messed up, I knew I wouldn’t be able to compact my style of entertainment into what they wanted without regrets.
I feel that I need to say that during my time there, I felt trapped, felt like a failure, and did not feel like staff cared about me as a person (or for my own creative style), as the managers I was forced to work with did not show an effort to understand me beyond the surface of our work relationship.
I am still incredibly grateful for the opportunity, I’m grateful for the friends I did get to make there, and I’m grateful that a place that had such history saw value in someone like me at all.
Thank you for reading. I’ve learned a lot from this, and hope we can close out this chapter here.
[Trigger Warning: Last picture with Haku below.]
EDIT2: Managed to get the full PDF downloaded, it should be linked below
Sayu (Zaion) released a massive essay on her side of the story.
I'm not opening a google doc link with one of my emails.TwitLonger
Currently the google doc is under heavy traffic mode so it cant be downloaded, but on a skim (use incognito mode to open it for obsec reasons), it debunks the laundry list of bullet points that Niji Themselves provided, its presented as if Zaion was just "Sayu's friend"
EDIT: managed to copy-paste the full doc itself and it seems like all images were saved succesfuly
Intro+Addressing Rumors
Before you read the next section, “Statements and Allegations”, I ask you to please read everything in this “Intro” portion first. (Please utilize the Chapter Links in the Statements later for a proper understanding of what happened.)
Context for some of the Statements made:
-Several of the allegations written on her termination were due in part to the differences in cultural background between NIJISANJI, an agency based in Japan, and Zaion, a streamer catering to a global audience.
-None of her VODs were privated by her decision. She did not believe in hiding her mistakes in this way, and always wished to own up to them. (Thus, this document’s purpose.)
-On the “shotacon” topic: this was a long running joke stemming from before she was Zaion, coming from her origins as mainly a Genshin Impact streamer. Those who do not play Genshin wouldn’t know this, but in the game (ever since the first released units), several of the “meta” units were characters that had the appearance of young boys. They were mostly expressed to be quite old, Venti a several thousand year old god, Kazuha is 18+, Scaramouche is several thousands, etc. (Note that Xingqiu and Chongyun are 17 and Zaion has never made any sort of implication towards them.)
But, the point is that, as a player who cares about being able to clear content, Zaion would make jokes about wanting these characters because they coincidentally happened to be “shota” designs. She is not at all attracted to them in any sexual way, and is appalled at the idea. NIJISANJI also never brought this up as an issue throughout the course of her employment.
-Zaion agreed that separating would be best for both sides, but the parties were not able to reach an agreement on a joint statement.
-While attempting to argue for a more peaceful narrative than the termination statement NIJISANJI wished to make, Zaion did get written confirmation that NIJISANJI had no intention at the time to cut off or discourage her from interacting with or remaining friends with other NIJISANJI livers. She also confirmed that NIJISANJI would not avoid commissioning or working with any creators that work with her in the future.
Reference:
Regarding the harassment and doxxing Zaion has received.
She has been doxxed down to a home address, name and face by those expressing malicious intent. This happened right after her indefinite suspension on February 9th was announced, and NIJISANJI did not communicate that it would take action against the doxxers. (There is substantial video and written proof of threats including death and SWATTing, however links will be omitted for legal reasons.)
In December of 2022, NIJISANJI released a statement declaring their efforts against doxxing and harassment. Despite that announcement, NIJISANJI did not inform Zaion that it would be taking action against the spread of personal identifying information, defamatory misinformation, and daily harassment towards Zaion while she was suspended as an active liver.
I admit I did not understand exactly what victims of harassment went through, how mentally and sometimes physically damaging it is, and how hard it is to get any kind of help against it. Personally, I’m grateful for this experience so I can properly understand and empathize with others regarding this type of treatment.
Thank you in advance for reading, for understanding, and for granting us some of your precious time.
Statements and Allegations
I’d like to preface this by saying I do NOT want any third parties to use what myself or Zaion are about to reveal or twist our words in any way to damage the reputation of NIJISANJI or its Livers.
We understand that NIJISANJI as a brand had to do what it felt was in the best interest for its business.
The following will be providing context and responding to the statements and allegations against Zaion.
“Using a copyrighted song in her stream without prior authorization.”
“Revealing internal information that can potentially cause issues for stakeholders during her stream.”
https://archive.ragtag.moe/watch?v=98p0-ANf_Nc
The alleged mistake here was that Zaion stated that they did have permission to play the game at some point. Zaion spoke about this like any other game they had gotten confirmed permissions on that was a publicly released game, and this was after staff requested that EN not play the game. Zaion recognized that the controversy around the game is a difficult topic.
“Making statements that could lead to speculation or leaking of internal information using social media accounts that she personally operates during her activity suspension time.”
First, as Zaion was forcefully locked out of all of her accounts during her second suspension, she resorted to using her PL Twitter account to browse Twitter. She did make the mistake of “liking” a random reply that she was browsing through, and did “unlike” it after realizing her mistake. It was not her intention to bring attention to nor imply anything, but the mistake was made. Zaion did apologize profusely to staff and explained her mistake.
Second, this also refers to Zaion’s previously owned Discord server’s admin making a post about how production for mouse pads that were owed to previous subathon supporters were finally being made. No intention to sell these as merchandise products was ever emphasized.
However, this could have been perceived as her planning to leave the company, and hinting fans at doing so. Zaion did explain the situation in a voice call to staff; however, after claiming that they would “check the facts'' for each of these instances, they still listed on her termination letter, “showing absolutely no signs of remorse for [her] behavior.” An excerpt of the Cancellation Notice is shown below.
Reference:
“Offensive remarks regarding discrimination and sexual assault.”
First, on the topic regarding sexual assault, Zaion felt horrible that she made this mistake. This refers to a joke made during her stream of the game “The Karaoke”, a Chilla’s Art horror game. A lot of streamers, Zaion included, turn on “streamer mode” in their brains to try to keep a several hour stream constantly light hearted and entertaining and making a joke out of everything that goes on. Unfortunately, she forgot the situation of the space she was in, and made a joke that was inappropriate. There was no malicious intent, and she takes full responsibility. The comment was not aiming to make light of SA or its victims. Since it could not be said at the time, Zaion apologizes for this.
This stream and its contents were not one of the stated reasons for Zaion’s suspension. (Seen at 2:04:48)
https://archive.ragtag.moe/watch?v=mLF2qIJSZgs
Second, regarding any offensive remarks involving discrimination, no serious remarks were ever made towards any specific people or culture. There is one instance in Zaion’s second ever livestream on December 11th, where a viewer jokingly asked her if they could use the term “Zionists” as a fan name for her community. She clearly stated “I don’t think we can do that” in response, knowing full well that it was not her place to use such a term. Unfortunately, NIJISANJI characterized Zaion’s nervous laughter when addressing this viewer’s comment as “remarks mocking political or religious beliefs” in her termination letter, even though this was not the case.
Clips of this instance can be found online, but links are omitted for legal reasons.
“Several infringements of the Rules pertaining to the use of games defined by ANYCOLOR Inc. (including intentional infringements) and repeated false justifications given to ANYCOLOR Inc. regarding these infringements.”
First, a stream on February 4th, that was a Nintendo game. Zaion had many successful Nintendo streams in the past leading up to the stream on the 4th, complying to rules which will not be stated here. However, on the 4th, Zaion made a mistake. YouTube has an autofill function for its video descriptions. She used it that day and missed the adjustment of part of the description, and was notified by her manager as such mid-stream. Her manager adjusted it for her; Zaion thanked them for that, and apologized for her mistake.
Second, regarding the FFXIV account in use. Simply put, Zaion made a choice that was not what was agreed on, and thus this was completely the fault of Zaion. The rumor of Zaion using mods is false.
What staff wanted was a new character, upon a new account. New accounts require the game, (along with subsequent story skips or level boosts), to all be officially bought from the Square Enix store in order to participate in the content that Zaion had readied. No form of compensation for this (or for new Genshin or other game accounts) was discussed.
Zaion regrets that she had a poor lapse in judgment. She chose to use a character she already had, that simply had little to no logs. While she changed the character name and no PL (Past Life) issues came up, she did tell her manager she would make a new character and did not. She explained this to staff and apologized for her lack of compliance with this.
“Expressing her will to perform streams using illegal games (also referred to as pirated games)”
This comment as well as Zaion’s answer was cut out of the vod on December 11th/12th per staff’s request: https://archive.ragtag.moe/watch?v=ZikpNTbHzpY
“Comments that can be considered offensive to the rights holder of a game during a stream.”
“Giving false information to other NIJISANJI EN Livers regarding the contents of her communications with ANYCOLOR Inc.”
Reference:
“Falsely claiming to have received permission from ANYCOLOR Inc. after a viewer commented on Zaion performing an action prohibited by the Rules.”
“Falsely claiming to be sponsored by a brand during a stream.”
“Falsely claiming to be sponsored” is wrong because "deez nuts" is not a brand.
Nevertheless, she was asked by her manager to private the VOD for the reason that they felt that she was claiming to be sponsored by the “Dee’s Nuts” company during this bit, and she apologized and complied.
Link to the privated stream:
https://archive.ragtag.moe/watch?v=GbLe9FldQN8
“Giving “likes” to comments falling under defamation of NIJISANJI Livers and ANYCOLOR Inc. using social media accounts that she personally operates.”
“Numerous other actions and comments infringing the contracts and Rules.”
Their Important Conclusion
In their last call, Zaion begged for them to consider a more professional approach to future commentary between the two sides. To this, NIJISANJI refused, stating they “needed to protect their brand.” Some of the allegations written are untrue or uncontextualized which negatively impacted Zaion’s character.
Zaion agrees with the decisions. She did make mistakes and agreed that separation was appropriate for both sides. I believe that there were a lot of things provided without proper context that negatively impacted her character.
In the end, Zaion wishes things could have gone differently. Some NIJISANJI members have spoken about Zaion’s termination and she wishes to avoid giving context on that here, as she does not wish to direct harassment towards anyone else. That aside, Zaion sees this as a huge learning experience and sincerely hopes everyone can move on from this chapter.
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Zaion’s Personal Experience
I’d like to preface this by saying I DO NOT want any third parties to use what I’m about to reveal or twist my words in any way to damage the reputation of NIJISANJI or its Livers. This is simply Zaion’s first hand experience chronologically listed from the moment she was onboarded, to her final moments.
I want to ask everyone to put themselves in Zaion’s shoes for a moment in the present. As a content creator who has been doing this full-time for over a year (way before joining NIJISANJI), it's hard going about your day, supporting your friends on Twitter multiple times every single day, and reading their content as you used to. Then, when the suspensions and termination happen, you’re told you must obey the silencing contract. But, what this results in is suddenly being blocked or unfollowed by several people who you have considered to be your friends or who you've cared deeply for for a long time. People who knew her as a person, and still cared for her in return, are even harassed for caring for their friend.
Zaion became increasingly afraid of hurting the few friends she had left, and avoided many of them completely.
She still doesn’t know how some friends feel about her now.
She still lives in a constant fear of making everyone feel uncomfortable just by being around them.
Zaion was someone who was always incredibly excited to spend time with her friends IRL at cons, and would go out of her way to do so. The constant cycle of guilt and trauma drove Zaion to a very dark place and still does. There were people that she trusted and told her struggles to. Some understood, and some understood this as her gaslighting or guilting them, when she confided in them.
It’s true that most of them didn't really know Zaion as a person. But it's not fair that the simple way they knew her is now forcefully replaced by this storm of complicated and strong words that don't actually have "her" in them.
It goes without saying that the characters we play online aren't the full "us". You can't assume how bad someone feels, how sad they are, just because they play a happy character online. Just speaking for myself, what banner I'm under or what character I play never changed my own style.
I did read as much as I could about what everyone was saying, be it on YouTube news videos, various posts on Twitter, posts on my YouTube account, or yes, even DMs sent to my Twitter. I want to make it known that I read every Twitter DM, and just about every YouTube comment. After everything, Zaion felt like a failure. She felt like her dream, and who she was at her core, was now ruined because of this experience. She did desire to end her own life. But each and every kind message pulled her back from the brink. Without all of you, a person would no longer exist.
Some of her stories will be omitted for legal reasons. Please respect this.
August Interview: Asked about my current monthly income.
Then 2 minutes after the confirmed meeting time, they sent me a new email with the link.
The interview itself felt fine. There were two people on the call. It felt like they were asking questions based on the answers I gave, which made me feel like they were listening and did care about the person I was. There wasn't any information told to me regarding specifics of their company, like how they ran things differently from other VTuber or talent agencies. Things like: being unable to use my current social media or streaming accounts forever vs simply for a short amount of time, being unable to use any current game accounts or allowing certain ones, etc. None of that was included, it was a simple interview.
What was interesting, came at the very end though. I had mentioned that I previously had a job at a tech company. One of the interviewers, who hadn't said a single thing until then, asked me in Japanese, how much I used to make as an independent streamer. I told him how much from subscriptions, sponsorships, etc, and he responded: “mm”.
Then immediately following that, he asked how much I used to make at my tech job. I answered that I actually made less than I currently did as a streamer. He gave me the same "mm" and then said he had no further questions.
I thought, well, if they're gonna ask questions like that, then I'll ask one that I wasn't sure if I could ask. And I asked: "Do you guys have a monthly salary or minimum per month that you pay to your talents?"
That interviewer answered, "No, but I can tell you that if you sign under us that you'll make more than you're making right now." I'll never forget that. But at the time the compensation structure was not discussed.
Fast forward to the 21st of August. I made it through to the final interview with the CEO. This was the only time in the entire time I had been there, that I would get to even see his presence in my, or the talent's, vicinity, let alone speak with him.
He asked questions that I thought were very good and well thought out. Things such as "what kind of character do you want to play?" to which I answered, "I'm usually the anti-hero. I like saying things that make people laugh or surprise or shock them. I love getting reactions out of people."
He also asked how much I wished to act for my future character on stream. I said, "that depends on how much content the company and I end up expecting of myself. If I do shorter hours per day, then of course that makes it easier to keep up a persona further from myself. If I do longer hours like I'm used to doing however, then it would be easier if I was being more myself."
Again, nothing regarding how they ran the company or what they expected me to "give up" was mentioned.
October Prep: Debut song asked to be fully recorded before even hearing genmate’s voices.
I asked them to push the deadline back, because I would be gone at Twitchcon. The new due date turned out to be after I would hear my genmate's voices for the first time, but that was all the knowledge I'd have.
After I submitted my recordings, they messaged me back saying the producer said my recordings were no good due to some background noise, and that I would need to go to an actual studio to record my lines or "clean them up". So I asked a friend who dabbles in DJing as a hobby to clean up the same audio files for me, and submitted them again. At this point I received no more updates on the song, so I assumed they were fine.
November Debut Planning: Organizing and managing.
I personally incurred the cost of planning a successful debut. Our lore was written by ourselves. I had to find people who had the skill sets needed for the graphics and animations myself, and pay for them myself. By the time we debuted, I was already hugely in the red, in order to plan and execute a debut befitting of a talent of such a big company.
Meeting the other NIJI EN Livers.
December: Given a manager who was a 2-week-old hire.
But that was far from what we got. The manager they assigned to manage our whole generation of 6, was someone who was a 2 week old hire. It was not the manager who trained us for the whole month of November with whom we developed a bond, nor the person who worked with us through the onboarding.
Anytime I had a call with our manager to discuss something, THEIR manager was also there. And it was pretty much just me asking him stuff while she sat there and nodded her head. If there was something I wished to do, or something I thought was worth fighting for, it felt like it wasn’t fought for. All I experienced was the expectation to bow your head down and not to question the system.
Debut Week 1: First Private Vod: Genshin PL Account
Several other talents in the EN branch were also streaming while using game accounts they owned before joining the company. Even though the precedent was there, I was trying to see if there were any other rules they wished for me to follow. And my manager said:
And thus, I covered my ID and we had an incredibly fun stream. Most corporate streamers who play Genshin on stream are usually newer players who try it because their viewers wanted to, inexperienced players, or just doing it because of a sponsorship. So many fans expressed how enjoyable it was to see someone play who actually cared a lot about the game and played it seriously. It's an honor for me to represent that.
However, not long after the stream had concluded, I got another message from my manager:
Other livers are able to use their past accounts and I was not. I had a 2 year-old account I wished to use, and a lot of content planned for my future streams centered around it.
Having the stream VOD from that day privated also meant that I could no longer earn money from new views on it, and consequently stunted my growth analytics because–as one of my most successful streams–it was no longer visible content to the public in my debut week. Fans were asking me where that stream went. And I wasn't allowed to tell them what happened. Many people attacked me for using my old account which I had received permission to use, then had taken away, saying that it was “my fault for probably using it without permission.” My manager and their manager told me to tell people that it was like a "peek into my hard work of the past, and now I'll start something new together with my new fans". And that's the lie I painfully ran with.
I did my best to argue for the rights to use that Genshin account, saying that this was not the term I entered the company on. And that plenty of other talents in the company used, and still were using, their old accounts. I had a call with my manager and her manager, and they told me that the reason I couldn't use my old accounts now was “because they existed before Zaion LanZa did.” When I said I could not agree with that, we had a second call, and nothing changed. Finally, I told my genmates what was going on, asking them for help. Since some of them had past accounts, they were also under the impression they would be able to use them. We all had a group call with the two managers.
Once again, the narrative was changed. The managers said that they would consider past game accounts on a "per game basis", and approved of a game that my genmate wanted to use. When mine was brought up, they said "it's because [you were] an official Genshin content creator and that counts as a sponsorship. And you can't use accounts that were previously sponsored."
This expanded the scope of the matter beyond just my Genshin account. But first, I rejected that claim, because in the official rules for being an "official Genshin Impact Content Creator" explicitly states that it does NOT count as a sponsorship in any way. “Official Genshin content creators'' do not get paid for creating Genshin-related content. Also, in preparation for joining NIJISANJI, I purposely did not reapply for my position as an official Genshin content creator, and thus I hadn't been part of the program for 2 months.
Then, the managers said "but [you were] a pioneer for the game, so a lot of people know that account." This was yet another completely new argument from them. This normally would hold no weight, because no single Genshin account can be distinguished from another. Every account is able to get every character, every item, every outfit. Nothing is unique except for the user ID that could be hidden.
At this point, I had my suspicions about their real reason, and I gave up on arguing any further.
So, I moved onto my other game accounts, such as Alchemy Stars and Guardian Tales. Because I had been sponsored by those game's companies twice each, I greatly enjoyed working with them and we had a great working relationship. I relayed this to my managers, and they said because those accounts were sponsored at any time in their existence, I could not use them here. I felt like I was being punished for my past success. Prior to hearing this, I was under the impression that NIJISANJI would be happy to have someone who had been on good terms with several other companies whom they also worked with. Funnily enough, one of those Alchemy Stars sponsorship events was WITH two of their own EN talents who were now my senpais.
Debut Week 2: Reaching out for help in DMs to Managers and being suspended for it.
So I reached out to the two people who had onboarded us at the start. They were not our direct managers, but they were people who I trusted and felt comfortable with. I DMed them stating how bad I felt that I kept making mistakes, that I didn’t know what to do (in order to continue being creative but not infringing on one rule or another). I DMed them saying I was sad, asking if there was anything that could be done about my Genshin account, and saying that overall I just felt uncomfortable.
And one of them responded. The person who trained us was someone I loved a lot, and it seemed like everyone did. She was kind enough to have a voice call with me, and talk through my feelings and issues, and even offered to try to fight for the Genshin account issue. That was enough for me. I knew that it was a difficult thing with a company that big, and I didn’t have any expectations past her just trying. I was incredibly grateful that I just had someone in the staff that I could speak to.
But we would never speak like that again. In a call between my manager and their manager, I was told of my New Years suspension, and that DMing a manager was one of the reasons I was being suspended. I felt hurt and shocked; even my genmates had said they’d DMed managers before. I hadn’t said anything that would hurt anyone or was a secret. But that was that.
New Years Suspension: Dec. 31st-Jan. 9th
Finally, he acquiesced. At the end of the call, my manager's manager asked me what I'm going to tell my fans. This was asked in a manner that made me feel pressured to say, “Oh, I’m…just going to say that my family asked me to come on a last minute holiday trip.”
Because of what happened with a prior graduation in the company, I had already been told by my senpais that oftentimes suspensions would be disguised as “breaks” by the talents. Now, I understand why.
So the New Years countdown that I promised my fans, of course, could no longer happen. And I told them that "my family rarely does anything out of town so I had to go on this last minute trip." That I would be gone from the 30th and return on the 10th.
That never happened; I just stayed at home and tried to see if there were any IRL friends around who didn’t already go on vacation elsewhere or weren’t too busy.
At the same time, Haku, one of my two cats, 4 years old, was suffering from a liver disease that required me to feed him every few hours. So it would morbidly work out that I had the time to take care of him, however it was incredibly expensive and even now I’m still trying to pay off the incurred bills.
Trying to Lay Low
T/W: Pet death. February 7th: Haku’s Death+Ending.
I did not feel supported by my manager when I shared this information. The subsequent distress was compounded by the fact that staff had locked me out of all of my accounts. Forced to sit in all of this alone, this would be one of the most difficult times of my life.
Everything past this is history. There was a lot I enjoyed about being in NIJISANJI. There were a lot of people I looked up to, who I liked, who I trusted with all my heart. There were some really fun times.
But as much as I wanted to stay and with how hard I tried to do something different each time I messed up, I knew I wouldn’t be able to compact my style of entertainment into what they wanted without regrets.
I feel that I need to say that during my time there, I felt trapped, felt like a failure, and did not feel like staff cared about me as a person (or for my own creative style), as the managers I was forced to work with did not show an effort to understand me beyond the surface of our work relationship.
I am still incredibly grateful for the opportunity, I’m grateful for the friends I did get to make there, and I’m grateful that a place that had such history saw value in someone like me at all.
Thank you for reading. I’ve learned a lot from this, and hope we can close out this chapter here.
[Trigger Warning: Last picture with Haku below.]
EDIT2: Managed to get the full PDF downloaded, it should be linked below
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Sayu (Zaion) released a massive essay on her side of the story.
I'm not opening a google doc link with one of my emails.TwitLonger
Holy shit, I'm surprised that that everyone in Hololive who has played Uno, Monopoly and Overwatch are still alive for bringing dishonor to their jap overlords. Nijisanji is just and swift to protect the honor of the French trash producers
Oh no, I should be scared that my Hololive Broshi and Hololive Oshi are going to die, because they both scream "FUCKING UBISOOOOOOOOOFT" at least once per Monopoly/Uno session.
Sayu (Zaion) released a massive essay on her side of the story.
I'm not opening a google doc link with one of my emails.TwitLonger
Holy shit, I was not expecting this. Was expecting a video response.
I'll have to listen to it later.
Nijisisters would tear her apart now they have their focus disspersed
Man i would appreciate it so much for a tl;dr there is no way im reading all of this
I'm readying it now and holy fucking based. DEE'S NUTS IS WHAT GOT HER FIRED??? BRUH??
NIJI IS A FUCKING BLACK COMPANY CONFIRMED
Wait she's describing everything internal what the fuck. RN she's describing the interview process
NIJI IS A FUCKING BLACK COMPANY CONFIRMED
Wait she's describing everything internal what the fuck. RN she's describing the interview process
Just goes to show how retarded I am forgeting this thread even existed. Wonder how big this will get through the night considering it's daytime in Japan right now.
>joke
>joke
>joke
>joke
>joke
>FFXIV/Genshin accounts,
>joke
>joke
>management being vague about what she can or can't do
>liked a tweet on the PL account, you know, like Kyo ALSO DID IN THE SAME INCIDENT
>FUCKING DEEZ NUTS JOKE
That's it, Nijisanji has actually killed me. I have passed away.
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Holy fucking shit
This should be framed on a fucking wall
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If Nijisanji was actually cool they would've tried to get a sponorship with Dee's Nuts. Also, I can't believe this is a real company with this domain name.
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Jesus
I hope that her side of the story isn't true because goddamn, I can't believe Japs could be so retarded
makes me wonder about the Vesper suspension even more
I hope that her side of the story isn't true because goddamn, I can't believe Japs could be so retarded
makes me wonder about the Vesper suspension even more
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Really?
I dunno, this seems real retarded, like really retarded
Like Pippa is watching this on her stream right now retarded
So, Nijisanji didn't pay for the debut, which actually put her in the red because she didn't want to do a shitty debut for Nijisanji, wanted her to use new FFXIV and Gensneed accounts but wasn't willing to pay for anything.
And NijiEN was specifically banned from playing wizard game.
This is gonna be a very, very enjoyable trashfire.
And NijiEN was specifically banned from playing wizard game.
This is gonna be a very, very enjoyable trashfire.
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