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Project F Disintegration Watch

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>CEO claimed that he can fund the agency with money from his other successful business.
Oh boi, we will sooo return to it! 2 electric boogalo
I noticed something along those lines on their website back when they were still around. Seemed like a major red flag to me (and still does). Probably because it is.
>Somehow, he still convinced most or all other girls to sign NDAs in exchange to their models.
Yeah…I question whether or not it was worth it for all of them (especially Kisa/Ai, as she was already quite successful as Kisa). I’m not them, so can’t say definitively whether or not it actually was, but the signs are pointing to no for at least some of them. Also not sure whether or not the limitations of an NDA or whistleblower protection apply here–it’s not like I have any idea what went on behind the scenes (besides what’s been publicly revealed), and I’m also not a lawyer.

(Also, when will this whole debacle be over?)
 
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TLDW of Rima & LorelaiLoch stream, MANY new wonderful details

I'm leaving aside overall shit communications, mismanagement, backpedaling on promises, less important lies (like claiming ot be ex-nijiID manager) and "Jason" being shittest person ever so it won't be too long and muddled.


> She was scouted by co-CEO, who was also moonlighting (allegedly, but highly probably) as Jason's girlfriend, who, at some point, dumped him and the project.
Oh boi, we will sooo return to it!

>CEO claimed that he can fund the agency with money from his other successful business.
Oh boi, we will sooo return to it! 2 electric boogalo

>She signed as LLC with joint ownership of IP. But CEO, being inept and cheap, never actually bought IP rights for the model, only perms for commercial use.
One of the rare cases where talent is actually contractor.

>She showed contract to lawyer, but he was a tard that didn't actually read the conract and had to refund her much more than 200$ under threat of litigation.
Note to talents: if all lawyer says is "it's ok you can sign" - this dumb fucker 100% never even tried to read it!

> There was no notary on the contract. Also she needed additional Her attempts to fix it, and other legal issues, were met with stalling and hostility.
No notary in itself can make many documents void even if contents are legit otherwise.

>She smelled the smoke and started to prepare her leave (at least partially) mere 2 weeks after joining!

>She got her model ~12 hours before debut, another girl got it like 40 minutes before stream!

>Talents of that wave did not recieve ANY PAYMENTS WHATSOEVER for all 5 months. Previous ones barely got some pocket change with huge delay. Lorelai even gave some of her own (disabled pension) money to another girl, so she could survive.

>Jason was very angry about his girlfriend running away, which was most likely main reason to his focus on bullying Lorelai.

> Lorelai had to ask her father (big successful businessman) for help, despite bad relationships. He hooked her with, and partly funded, specialist lawyers, both local and in Indonesia, which is essentially what allowed her to bail out the way she did.

> Before 'Project F', Jason tried to launch local ID vtuber agency, but it failed before anything real were done.
> Remember "other successful business"? Turns out, it was a fucking convicted fraud (of undisclosed nature) that he ran with some family members.
>Some woman from the family were sacrificed as scrapegoat in court, but he and his father were left unscathed. Which kinda implies that girlfriend/co-CEO purpose were most likely the same.
>Now Jason (if it's even his real name) and father are running another fraud, sometjing to do with car mechanics. They are very sloppy in covering their tracks.
>Apparently. the narcissist fucker full doxxed Lorelai on 4chan, calling to "SWAT this person". Thankfully, post was relatively quickly deleted.
>Somehow, he still convinced most or all other girls to sign NDAs in exchange to their models.

>If this piece of shit ever dared to stick his head out into vtibung again, or even worse - tried to go after the girls for any reason - Lorelai promised to sue him into oblivion.


I'm writing all this from memory, not gonna rewatch, so please correct me if i got anything imprecise or missed.
Hmm... it's almost like people shouldn't join agencies started up by some random guy with 0 experience...?
 

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@Nenélove As latinos lawyer, care to clarify about notary importance there? I'm a bit curious. To what extent it's absence could invalidate such contracts?
 

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@Nenélove As latinos lawyer, care to clarify about notary importance there? I'm a bit curious. To what extent it's absence could invalidate such contracts?
Contracts do not necessarily need to be notarized (a signature/express agreement is binding enough), but a notary seeing the contract adds an additional layer of legitimacy to it if disputes ever arise, since the notary is a government official and will instantly call out any bits of the contract which are unenforceable/illegal. A notary will also keep a copy of the contract in its original form and will in general make it harder to attempt fraud.

You can essentially think of it as an added layer of security assured by the government. While it isn't required, most important contracts will be notarized by a competent lawyer. It's really just busy work for lawyers to drive up to the notary office and process each contract, if you ever do an internship for a legal office one of the jobs you get burdened with is this.
 
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MerelyTourist

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Contracts do not necessarily need to be notarized (a signature/express agreement is binding enough), but a notary seeing the contract adds an additional layer of legitimacy to it if disputes ever arise, since the notary is a government official and will instantly call out any bits of the contract which are unenforceable/illegal. A notary will also keep a copy of the contract in its original form and will in general make it harder to attempt fraud.

You can essentially think of it as an added layer of security assured by the government.
I meant more local specifics applied to this particular case, because it involves LLC and joint ownership of some IP assets. Simplest example: here, wills and debts considered void without notary, and judge won't defer to it's text much. Contracts for some types of service won't fly without notary, any and all estate deals are downright illegal and automatically null without notary.
 
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I meant more local specifics applied to this particular case, because it involves LLC and joint ownership of some IP assets. Simplest example: here, wills and debts considered void without notary, and judge won't defer to it's text much. Contracts for some types of service won't fly without notary, any and all estate deals are downright illegal and automatically null without notary.
Idk the laws of indonesia/singapore (Project F) or wherever lorelai is located. What use is it knowing my country's specifics?
For specifics you'd have to study the local legal code or comparative law, which I haven't because I don't intend to live in asia.
 

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Idk the laws of indonesia/singapore or wherever lorelai is located. What use is it knowing my country's specifics?
For specifics you'd have to study the local legal code or comparative law, which I haven't because I don't intend to live in asia.
No, it sounds like she's somewhere south of USA, which have generous disability pensions and premium medical insurances. DEFINITELY not in indonesia.
 

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No, it sounds like she's somewhere south of USA.
Well I can't tell you without knowing the specific country my dude. While latin america is ~in general~ similar in legal matters (specially civil law), it is NOT all the same.
 

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Well I can't tell you without knowing the specific country my dude. While latin america is ~in general~ similar in legal matters (specially civil law), it is NOT all the same.
Eh, that's ok, nevermind. I didn't expect you to actually dig into it, just maybe some general relevant info on top of your head.
 

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Eh, that's ok, nevermind. I didn't expect you to actually dig into it, just maybe some general relevant info on top of your head.
Sorry but I was very forcibly taught to not speak on anything related to law that I am not 100% sure on. Mostly to avoid being sued by people who take a "maybe...?" as a "100% CONFIRMED BRO YOU WILL DEFINITELY WIN!!!!"

Most lawyers I have studied or worked under are like that, they will never give you a straight answer before knowing what they are getting into.
 

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Sorry but I was very forcibly taught to not speak on anything related to law that I am not 100% sure on. Mostly to avoid being sued by people who take a "maybe...?" as a "100% CONFIRMED BRO YOU WILL DEFINITELY WIN!!!!"

Most lawyers I have studied or worked under are like that, they will never give you a straight answer before knowing what they are getting into.
There's a certain amount of talking that can be done, albeit heavily circumscribed with disclaimers (not legal advice, not intended as a substitute for speaking with your own lawyer, each case has its own facts, intended solely for informational/educational purposes, etc.).
 
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