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Tubedude

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Is there an actual resident lawyer or are we all just online nerds using basic English reading comprehension (some even ESL) to guess the outcome of a legal battle involving a non-English-speaking company?
NeneLOVE is a lawyer from spic-land. Might be another one I can't remember.
 

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NeneLOVE is a lawyer from spic-land. Might be another one I can't remember.
Then NeneLOVE is the only one worth listening to I guess? But also high chance that nothing gets disclosed and everyone gets blueballed
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Is there an actual resident lawyer or are we all just online nerds using basic English reading comprehension (some even ESL) to guess the outcome of a legal battle involving a non-English-speaking company?
A legal battle that is in all likelihood not even going to get started. It's extraordinarily retarded.
NeneLOVE is a lawyer from spic-land. Might be another one I can't remember.
We have two for all I know, Nene and Thomas Talus. But I think directly mentioning them to take part in this shambles of a discussion would be an insult.
 

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I don't see how she would get fucked over; Reimu's still in with the clique and Twisty is disliked by sisters and hated by the clique.

Tell us more. You're one of two people here who actually watches Niji.
Pretty much anything she posts on her PL, for example about Lies of P Music, she says word for word in the stream the same day. She also kind of hinted about some of the drama (assuming talking about Twisty) she sees in passing and reminds everyone to not pay attention to that stuff and "if you need a hug." So I think it is Reimu's way of directly trying to tell people to follow her PL and knowing exactly what she's doing with her "coincidental" tweets.
 

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You could have just admitted that you don't know what judgement-proof means either you know? Basically, we don't have debtors' prisons any more, so the civil legal system can only take your money. If you don't have money, there's nothing they can really do to you. Hence judgement proof.
Do you know what it is or you heard of it as a passing term in a youtube video titled "How to commit credit fraud without getting jailed lifehack totally real 20000%! ON GOD #REALYOUTUBELAWYER". Do you know of any actual cases where this was applied, especially in a corporate vs individual setting.

The only japan corpo vs american individual lawsuit I know of was nintendo vs bowser. A lot of similarity here. Bowser is jobless, is 54 years old, he is also homeless and owe no asset.
He got hit with a 15m debt to nintendo anyway despite supposedly qualify for judgement-proof.
He could have fought the charges but decided not to since he doesnt have any money for lawyers. He is then agreed to pay 30% of his income (after paying for rent) until he dies.
That was in 2024. Unless this magical "judgement proof" term was invented in 2025 (doubt it). Nijisanji could seek something similar to bowser's debt if twisty can not pay right now. If bowser cant qualify for judgement proof at the age of 54, no way twisty can at the age of 19. She has another 51 years of possible work to earn money to pay niji.

That is assuming if niji can win.
Yeah well, that's not going to happen to a US citizen living in the US under the jurisdiction of US courts.
I made a mistake. Bowser is Canadian not American.
That being said the lawsuit was filed in the US and it was seen under the juridiction of an US court, specifically Seattle.
 
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Do you know what it is or you heard of it as a passing term.
The only japan corpo vs american lawsuit I know of was nintendo vs bowser. A lot of similarity here. Bowser is jobless, is 54 years old. And he got hit with a 15m debt to nintendo.
He could have fought the charges but decided not to since he doesnt have any money for lawyers. He is then agreed to pay 30% of his income (after paying for rent) until he dies.
That was in 2024. Unless this magical term was invented in 2025 (doubt it). Nijisanji could seek something similar to bowser's debt if twisty can not pay right now.
That is assuming if niji can win.
Yeah well, that's not going to happen to a US citizen living in the US under the jurisdiction of US courts.
 

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You are once again just asserting that US law matters without citing anything, when everything I found says that exclusive jurisdiction clauses are generally valid outside of certain circumstances. The default jurisdiction for a case vs Anycolor is Japan.
She is an American contractor who works for a Japanese company. There is no American branch, no official Anycolor entity in America, everything happens in Japan.
U.S. will ALWAYS MATTER in this case because the person we are talking about is a U.S. citizen living in the United States under U.S. jurisdiction. if she does file something, she will almost certainly do it here first. Thus U.S. law will be the law of first instance. Anycolor maybe a Japanese company, but they have a clear presence in America; they have American staff, and American workers, regardless of the lack of an official subsidiary. Thus, they are subject to American law for anyone working in the United States. Once again, their bullshit contract is not a get out of jail free card. There is nothing in the contract that prevents Twisty from filing in the United States. Nothing. That clause you cited can be overturned in court, which is what she will argue.

It did, and it included a lot of stuff not related in any way to her grievances with Aster. They can argue that the suspension was for that or they can argue that they can't let someone who is subject of an investigation be too involved in business. And a slow investigation is not illegal. There is also the possibility that she didn't inform them of the entire contents of the leak and what she didn't tell them about was what was termination worthy to them.
Once again, Twisty made them aware of the leaks, and they did nothing about it. They also did not punish her until after the leaks went public. And the argument isn't that the investigation is slow. The argument is that THERE WAS NO INVESTIGATION AT ALL. They did nothing about the initial allegations, and are probably still doing nothing. There is, in fact, a process that must be followed by companies in regards to sexual harassment allegations, in accordance with local, state, and federal laws designed to protect employees, and I doubt Niji did anything to follow that process. If you want more information, since we are citing AI now, use ChatGPT to ask "What are the laws that govern the process by which companies investigate sexual harassment among their staff and workers?" In fact, a slow investigation is, in and of itself, a violation of the law. Investigations for sexual harassment claims are to be prompt, as in they begin AS SOON AS THE COMPLAINT IS MADE.

A contract is law if the law doesn't contradict it,
Which would be a legal question for the court. The thing is, we know that the contract isn't in line with the law, because we've actually read the contract in question due to it being leaked.

and an exclusive jurisdiction clause is generally enforceable.
Only if there aren't mitigating circumstances that make it unenforceable. I've already said this, as did the AI answer you already gave

Everything aside of that needs to be argued and the default jurisdiction for that argument would be the Tokyo district court, Twisty would have to argue to have the argument elsewhere, unless she lives in California or Washington State I guess, but even for those exemptions she would first have to argue that she is an employee and not a contractor. We're like five arguments deep before she can get her actual case heard.
Twisty can file in the United States and argue correct jurisdiction there. She doesn't have to go to Japan first. Then it would be up to the U.S. courts to determine if she should be exempted from the clause in her contract. If they do side with her, she never has to file in Japan at all. And yes, she would have to argue that she's an employee, not a contractor. And she should, because she is an employee, and everything about that contract makes her an employee. Niji would probably settle the suit long before it gets to that point because they don't want a court to make that decision on the record. That's another thing you keep not considering; Niji themselves have plenty of reasons for caving before this gets anywhere close to trial.

All of that is obviously true and I said so from the beginning, but the exclusive jurisdiction clause is generally enforceable
Unless the courts find otherwise.

I just said that going down the legal route is stupid since there are many hurdles and she is not guaranteed to win even if she gets American employee protections, which, I repeat myself, is not guaranteed.
Newsflash, almost nobody is guaranteed to win in court. Even many supposedly "slam dunk" cases don't turn out to be slam dunks. Its the risk of going through the legal system at all. That's not necessarily a reason not to file or seek legal recourse.

He got hit with a 15m debt to nintendo anyway despite supposedly qualify for judgement-proof.
He could have fought the charges but decided not to since he doesnt have any money for lawyers. He is then agreed to pay 30% of his income (after paying for rent) until he dies.
That was in 2024. Unless this magical "judgement proof" term was invented in 2025 (doubt it). Nijisanji could seek something similar to bowser's debt if twisty can not pay right now. If bowser cant qualify for judgement proof at the age of 54, no way twisty can at the age of 19. She has another 51 years of possible work to earn money to pay niji.
It should be made clear that this is not a good example. Nintendo were clearly being punitive in that case. In fact, I believe they tried to convince both Sony and Microsoft to join in on this case and both companies declined, because even they thought it was going too far. Nintendo wanted to make an example out of Bowser, and went above and beyond to do so in a very legally vindictive fashion.

I wonder what Legal Mindset thinks of all this?
Good question. He'd probably have a lot to say about how Nijisanji handled this.
 

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I wonder what Legal Mindset thinks of all this?
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Wait why is Nintendo suing their own COO?
 

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*peeks in*
*rolls kyouko grenade*



Edit: Rare Lia spotted


Just adding this info because I want to have it written down somewhere: Right now there are like five posts in the catalog about Reimu, while there's only three talking about Twisty and her stream. Why's that? turns out it might be good old Ennaschizo, remember the one I wrote about? who used to post bait threads about Enna and always used the same rrats and writing style? seems like he's moved to making posts about Reimu now that she's blowing up and managed to find some more info about him.

From what I found in the same thread as the picture (or this one if you want to click on it) he seems to be from SEA (the philippines to be more precise) and used a tripcode for some time. Haven't verified the rest of the info, but if you have seen that picture of the Gura thread in holotower with the schizo replying to himself then you know more or less what's to expect. It's less people being mad and more like one schizo going overdrive to peddle rrats.
 

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I figure this is the point where the presumed (in)competence of the average Niji manager becomes relevant. Nina has since admitted to having bullshitted her manager in regards to stuff like her Steam accounts, where she was supposed to create a fresh account to purchase games etc on (that would be lost after her graduation), which she avoided by simply changing the account details to seem to be in compliance and then changing the logins again before she graduated so Niji couldn't take the account from her.
I am also assuming that this also happened, to some extent, with the ex-ID talents. It might not be about the steam account stuff (that's actually a big brain move, pretty cool mama roach), but the fact that the ID talents themselves are still able to just, keep their PL around (or easily set a new one before going away) says much about how niji oversees things beyond JP.

But to be fair for the ex-ID, their ID branch office is no longer there and the staff is either subsumed to other ID agency or whatever right before the merge, so even if Anycolor tried to keep their eyes on them, it didn't really do much in the long run. The ID that already graduated was able to get back to their old stuff (or make new one) without much issue and nothing of value was lost.
 

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Jesus wtf is going down in this thread?
I saw my name brought up earlier but ima be honest, I have 0 interest in Nijisanji or the drama surrounding the company after all this time, to me it's just beating a dead horse at this point and no longer fun. I have corpos I wouldn't mind seeing burn a bit to kick their fans down a peg or two but Niji's fans have been humiliated to such a sad degree it feels like senseless bullying, also it never quite feels right shitting on a corpo I have no investment in and know nothing about, specially after seeing so much bullshit be spun-up about the corpo I like by people in that same position.
 

frz

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Jesus wtf is going down in this thread?
I saw my name brought up earlier but ima be honest, I have 0 interest in Nijisanji or the drama surrounding the company after all this time, to me it's just beating a dead horse at this point and no longer fun. I have corpos I wouldn't mind seeing burn a bit to kick their fans down a peg or two but Niji's fans have been humiliated to such a sad degree it feels like senseless bullying, also it never quite feels right shitting on a corpo I have no investment in and know nothing about, specially after seeing so much bullshit be spun-up about the corpo I like by people in that same position.
retards happened
Not excluding myself
 

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Is there an actual resident lawyer or are we all just online nerds using basic English reading comprehension (some even ESL) to guess the outcome of a legal battle involving a non-English-speaking company?
NeneLOVE is a lawyer from spic-land. Might be another one I can't remember.
@famous artist pipkun as well, IIRC. And unlike Nene, he likes to wallow in Niji legal drama. Got his own thread over Selen's, even.
 
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