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[RestlessRain]

• but with the cost of entry dropping, the corporate model makes less and less sense. Holo and Niji have their inertia keeping them up, Holo also heavily invests in events where the cost of entry remains high enough that indies can't easily compete. Even so, both have been bleeding established members in the past year, who then proceeded to indy it up.

I want to pick this apart a little. Hololive has around ninety talents. Losing a few talents in 2024 isn't a sign of impending doom, that's normal and expected. People move on, career and personal goals change, people want new challenges. Hololive can't be all things to all talents all of the time and that's just life. Fauna is an outlier, since she directly blames management for her leaving, but Fauna is also one talent. The other talents at Hololive seem to be, as far as we're aware, accepting of Hololive and it's current direction.

Also, given the fact that corpos can provide talents with large audiences, and access to resources that might be otherwise difficult to get, and talents are still applying to corpos in large numbers, doomspeaking about the corpo model is very premature at best.

 

[Todd's Strongest Howard]

we need more vtubers on twitter who post normal non-menhera nonsense

This woman would be laying there with her husband actively plowing her and she'd just be like "I should be playing video games right now."

 

[dkn2038]

Kevin Li's Special Needs Program for Women

30+women's make a wish foundation*
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*don't ask for a husband, miracles are not covered on the deal​

 

[dkn2038]

This woman would be laying there with her husband actively plowing her and she'd just be like "I should be playing video games right now."

I was gonna ask something related to her silent laugh... but I don't wanna get banned

 

[RestlessRain]

One is a 2 views top 20 CCV the other is a predebut that never bothered to hit live, aka trash that Proctor found in the street for our amusement

Treating predebuts like monkeys dancing for our amusement is very based @The Proctor.

 

[Negzana]

This woman would be laying there with her husband actively plowing her and she'd just be like "I should be playing video games right now."

I am already saving up to get a replica cathedral world made in minecraft for our wedding, just need to teach a priest how to make a microsoft account and he can ordain the marriage in Minecraft.

 

[GOD'S STRONGEST BUILDERBEAR]

How hoe lers herself be turning to particles like that? Shes a walking pandemic!

 

[WaWa]

They are releasing a plushie of the Miko Sharp humidifier.

 

[Hotdogs Aplenty]

. Fauna is an outlier, since she directly blames management for her leaving, but Fauna is also one talent. The other talents at Hololive seem to be, as far as we're aware, accepting of Hololive and it's current direction.

And we'll never know how legitimate her grib at management is. Since she is the only one who directly call out management, it seems a bit like sour grapes on her part.

 

[NeneLOVE]

I want to pick this apart a little. Hololive has around ninety talents. Losing a few talents in 2024 isn't a sign of impending doom

Silence Holobrony, my oshi graduated and that is literally the end of the fucking world.

And we'll never know how legitimate her grib at management is. Since she is the only one who directly call out management, it seems a bit like sour grapes on her part.

Be quiet corpo bootlicker, the talent is always right!

 

[Hotdogs Aplenty]

How hoe lers herself be turning to particles like that? Shes a walking pandemic!

No bird flu, so Proctor is stil safe.

 

[Cubanodun]

This woman would be laying there with her husband actively plowing her and she'd just be like "I should be playing video games right now."

She has a steam deck, she would be the kind that multi task while getting plowed

 

[frz]

Honestly, it reminds me a bit of Upd8, which also hired a zillion vtubers on a worldwwide basis (not many corpos to buy out back then), only to fall flat on its face.

Brave retains manager/staffs and still try to give a good manager - talents ratio upon acquiring a company.
upd8 just let everyone fend for themselves.

and the big 1 reason why they blew up is overspending on holoearth anyway. which is also a real threat for hololive. They are spending billions upon billions on it.

Upd8 was more of a program which vtubers joined, not so much an agency. Activ8 actually didn't have that many vtubers under their umbrella for today's standards.

Edit: Reflecting on it, there exceptions to this rule, like phase. I think a lot of the mass agency die-offs last year simply had to do with 1. the fallout from Niji and 2. the market, specially the western side of it, beginning to contract. I do not think it's impossible for groups to succeed in the future instead of vtubing being just becoming a clone of twitch with 50 popular indies on top and then gazillions of irrelevant people slaving away to get 0.0005%, a lot of these agencies are just shitty cashgrabs or scams headed by morons trying to copy Holo. At least in Japan I can see agencies continuing to exist by focusing on performances and idolshit for a long ass time, the west is allergic to companies so I can see corpos dying out over here completely if Holo and Niji kick the bucket.

I want to dissect the Bond/IRIAM model.
they operate using the same model as Uber with the motto of "disrupting the market" by lowering entry cost, low balling pays to workers and mass expansion and mass recruitment until they actually profit. Using "economy of scale".
The model worked in Japan because there is a market to disrupt. There are hundreds of thousands of gulligble girls/boys signing up to be a vtubers/idols. Meanwhile there is no such market in EN side. The viewership is shrinking and getting more fragmented with each corpo death.

Brave has no real threat in EN side even if gunrun decided to sell vshojo (hard to imagine any existing talents would want to work under japan corpo autism). The EN vtubing market itself isn't growing. There is no room for a new big corpo.

Unironically "how do you beat gura" is a misguided question. Corpos should be asking "how do you beat ironmouse" and seeking the """""""untapped"""""" normie audience instead of the EN vtubing audience. But at that point why even bother making a vtuber company.

 

[JusticeDog]

They are releasing a plushie of the Miko Sharp humidifier.

Vtuber merch has jumped the shark

 

[Shuba]

They are releasing a plushie of the Miko Sharp humidifier.

I just realized Sora is doing the Migo in your profile picture. Adorable as heck and very fitting

 

[Ginkgo Balboa 🌾🗡]

Unironically "how do you beat gura" is a misguided question. Corpo should be asking "how do you beat ironmouse"

EZ nehgah, just walk outside.

 

[NeneLOVE]

EZ nehgah, just walk outside.

Sneeze on her

 

[Cubanodun]

Unironically "how do you beat gura" is a misguided question

at this rate just having a schedule qualify as a win against her, people is grossly overestimating Gura value

 

[dkn2038]

at this rate just having a schedule qualify as a win against her, people is grossly overestimating Gura value

the real question should be "how to break even and survive year 2 while everyone grows naturally and perhaps we find someone who actually grows enough to make our company sustainable"

 

[tarkanoltr]

Double stream on Bae's Birthday

12PM JST on the 28th - Finally do we get a Banchou danceoff?


9PM JST on the 28th


Bae is also doing a JP week starting tomorrow? Streaming twice a day to reinforce her holoJP creds