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[The Proctor]

Wasn't EIEN mostly just one big woman moment after another?

To clarify, I meant in terms of outcome, aka the talents walking away in disgust after completely falling out with the owner.

 

[ValkyrieAce]

Eira is issuing an apology for inflammatory statements she made towards the Monster Hunter community that reached far behind its intended audience:



Said statements:

 

[shipmate_F]

Eira is issuing an apology for inflammatory statements she made towards the Monster Hunter community that reached far behind its intended audience:



Said statements:

She is right. To die while using a LS is to be below 40 IQ.

 

[JusticeDog]

More Spyro 3

 

[Azehara]

I just turned off reaction notifications, which I should've honestly done years ago. Jambo does post some interesting shit every once in a while and has his moments, I also have a policy of not ignoring anyone in the forum and I never have, that shit is for homosexuals.

Also new Holoindie releases:
An animal crossing clone


And a clone of that FOTM rolling a ball up a hill game from last year:

Wish they made a Holo Gen 3 Darksouls game.

"If she's actually a good friend to the v-dere girls"
HAH
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She was barely out the door before taking a parting shot at v-dere. Strap in because I'm popping off.

Elia is incredibly fake and 2024 was a gradual mask-off moment. I've followed her since her time at Kawaii and I've gone from thinking the world of her to seeing her as hysterically bitter who thinks the world owes her a favor. She overvalues her unwarranted self-importance and became belligerent, blames others for her inability to handle her finances, is drifting towards twitch clique route, and there's nothing left resembling what made her good when she was in Kawaii.

Spoiler: How she went downhill

Last year saw her content slowly take a dive:

• Absent for months on indulgent vacations.
• Collab spam.
• Dropped all video and shorts content.
• Drifting more towards her twitch audience to chase numbers, despite YT having held her up since Kawaii days.
• Frequent instances of lashing out at fans who dared to speak out (sometimes justified but still shitty to sit through).
• Slop and zatsu spam when not collabing, TFT, League, FOTM and back-to-back readings (her voice isn't all that).

The straw that broke the camel's back for me was a membership stream in October, shortly before leaving v-dere, where she had a huge melty. She lashed out at her genmates; acted spiteful over their success, blamed them for her stagnation, acted like she does everything for v-dere when she was frequently shown to slack on group work to the point where she wanted to stop group work because it didn't "benefit her" (Proctor might remember how she was surprised at a slide during Vexpo because she didn't help with it, and once left all the collab setup to the other girls midstream whilst she just fucking played Mario Kart!).
Worst of all she accused them of leeching money from her, and she holds all the times she offered to pay for things against the girls, including the Fan-funded trip to Japan.
To top it off she completely blew her lid at a comment suggesting that she dragged v-dere into her donothon goal, really showcasing how she reacts to the slightest critique. Even in her discord fans felt like they couldn't give feedback because she would go mental:

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She also blabbed about whatever v-dere drama happened behind the scenes to other vtubers, so scratch a point for trustworthiness too. Whatever she said, they concluded that "friends shouldn't treat you like that." She got to hear back exactly what she wanted to hear and I imagine she was given lots of other pussy pats from third parties until she deluded herself free of any misdoings and felt justified in leaving rather than try to fix things. Place your bets: Yesman male vtuber grooming or cattish female vtuber clique mentality?

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Here's some /vt/ spergery that was reacting to her 2.0 because it brings up some valid topics on why she's awful:
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Spoiler: Breakdown of rrats

Screwing over Airi
Knowing how schizo /vt/ is, he probably means Airi was screwed over for being left to collab with a male on her own that one time. The actual bad thing Elia did was all but implicate Airi as being an ungrateful money leech during vexpo, knowing that some fans had begun watching her content too. Elia was really fucking salty about seeing her subscribers going to Airi after the months Elia was away. Rather than be happy that Airi found some success (and understand there's going to be osmosis in any vtuber group) she just got bitter. I don't buy what Elia said, Airi isn't so poor she can't afford to pay for herself and wouldn't impose beyond teasing, there's more to that story Elia isn't telling. Despite saying she doesn't expect anything back when she does offer to pay for things:

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Abandoning her dog:
Effectively yes. She wasn't home to care for it most of last year and ended up giving it away before she moved to Japan. I would have some pity for her since it's never good to part from a pet, but now she wants a cat despite having temporary visa to stay in Japan. So fuck her. This is ALL a symptom of how irresponsible she is and doesn't think about how her actions will affect others. She could take the cat back but considering she no longer has family to look after pets for her in Japan and how often she travels, it borders on animal cruelty to get a pet with her working circumstances.

As for the dono goals and GFE...

Spoiler: e-girl goals

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Yeah, even if ironically, she's leaning hard into using her GIRL factor to peddle goals. She was even nice enough to justify ANOTHER vacation for fans to fund. The worst thing about the rewards is that they're so half-assed considering how important this was to her, this is her self-proclaimed big break. She had months to think of things. Well, she would have if she didn't immediately travel when she moved to Japan and wasted all her prep time in Sapporo. Oops.
Those top donor goals FUCKING SUCK. Second place get's less than the random person who wins the $4000 random merch giveaway, whilst the top earner gets heaps of awards (but still nothing thrilling.) They pale in comparison to last year's too so it's not repeat behavior she's just phoned it in.
There's a few other things too, like promising a drink stream even though last time she promised that she spent it collabing and was SO mad at chat when they called her out for it she not only scolded them on stream, claiming she wasn't comfortable, she doubled down with a callout post too:

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nobody ever said they wanted sussy time from what I could see, that was her own projection. She is very clearly the kind of metoo grifter and has had to hold back going full tilt on SJW equality rants because of her mixed race woes in the past. She definitely hates GFE but takes advantage of it anyway.

A last thing to note about the current donothon: she had one in November too, the same year as her 80k donothon. Why be consistent when you can milk your fans in one big swoop and then slack off?

You've surely heard the reputation that she pitybaits? It's entirely true.
All her stories are twisted to be some great tragedy against her. She sounds sympathetic at first, but don't be fooled. She would make out that life is truly unjust to her, but after being around her for so long and seeing how she reacts to things I can say all her issues are a consequence of her own irresponsibility and all transgressions against her amount to little more than microaggressions or being offended that she's not being the center of attention. She's the sort to unironically say she gets triggered and flaunt how she's such a (self-declared) introvert to make her seem braver for basic bitch engagements.

As for her time in v-dere: she would have you believe she did so much for them but the most she ever did was a largely self-serving Palworld collab where they GAVE money away (poor financial choices) and paid for a Minecraft server, that she abruptly stopped paying for without telling anyone so everyone lost their progress. Nice one, Elia!
There was also the Japan trip but that was an extension of her own indulgence, and again, fan-funded.

Fun fact: did you know Mozu paid Elia back for her Japan trip? And not once has Elia ever mentioned it despite making such a scene about having to pay for everyone's Japan trip and frequently making the girls look like the bad guys by "making" her be the wallet?


When v-dere announced they would have a concert at offkai this year she tweeted this:

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Bitch actually tried to insinuate she had any involvement in the concert and act like the opportunity was ripped from her. Even more signs that she paints everything in the worst possible light to make her look good. Offkai only announced their policy not to have any returning guests for 2025 in January (iirc). That means v-dere had to organize a sponsorship MONTHS after Elia left. Any influence Elia had would be worth approximately fuck all.

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Spoiler: End thoughts

Is she the worst vtuber ever? No. The general negative sentiment towards her isn't unwarranted though. It's worth having some firsthand experience written up for posterity because it's not immediately obvious unless you've been around her long enough. Every so often she will do something for another vtuber that seems good, but remember that it's tainted gold.

I don't want her to crash and burn, but with the way she's going I don't want her to have any influence in the scene either. Ideally, Elia will reflect on how she's been behaving and reel it in, get over herself and try and connect to what used to make her fun. Be genuine towards her fans again instead of acting like she is whilst transparently only prioritizing her own indulgences.

When I look at her 2.0 all I can think is "that's what her soul looks like." It's at complete odds with how she tries to depict herself, 1.0 was perfect for that, but 2.0 fits her manic twofaced nature perfectly.
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Did she get a shit audience from her shorts? From what I remember her

Basically it comes down to this

Nene Amano is a Good Bad whore. Did she backstab people, shit yes probably but those people-

Elia is a bad bad whore

Everyone else is just a whore

AMANO SUPREMACY

She did seem to have Nene Vibes but I assumed it was more of a numbers thing.

It makes sense to release one plushie and gauge reaction to that before doing everyone else's. Helps work out sales viability and sales numbers for other people, and means you're out less money if the new line fails.

Sorry, superduper, but you might get a plush if Shiina's does well.

Agreed. Only time you dont do that is if its with cheap merch to make like Shirts and Keychains or if you are big enough like Hololive or Nijisanji(not EN).

Spectra might be bailing from V&U soon:

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V&U hasn't had a graduation in a while, but half of them already seem to have alts set up. Spectra has recently been interacting with Penny (formerly Blue Pippa of Globie) on main too. They hung out just a while ago:

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Just some trivia, but there's three ex-corpo girls in this pic (Roro, Ekko and Penny). Now there will probably be a fourth.

After the Serafi issue 1 year ago I honestly expected more shit to go down but everything seems fairly silent on the V&U front. I haven't followed them after that incident though and hopefully they course corrected (probably not but im a hopeful femboy sometimes). People say that Serafi was a fucking retard but the way they tried to fuck her over and the way they tried to charge her 100k for assets and shit made me realize that they were a shitty company and the fault was not on Serafi. Thats the same type of shit EIEN seemed to have pulled on Riifu.

Well that's a pretty damning write up. Definitely a lot of overlap with some of the concerns I posted about Ekko pre-debut as well (Twitch clique pandering, extremely negative response to criticism, etc) but thankfully a lot of that has gotten better since debut in Ekko's case. I do notice though a big overlap in Discord fandoms being so against "unsolicited opinions" or constructive criticism/feedback. Am I wrong for thinking these girls shouldn't publicly post about their problems/"pity-bait"/whatever you want to call it if they don't want genuine answers? I really don't get the mindset that if a VTuber feels the need to vent the only thing a fan should do in response is coddle them...

It does seem Ekko read some of the shit posted here. Or maybe someone close to her let her know.

OK you fake lazy dramafags, i finally got time to listen to Seely's response to purplestain stream (which she, again, promised to keep but deleted!).

TLDL about contention point:
> she noticed she getting locked out of accounts one after another
> she started contacting everything in panic, no one was telling her what's going on
> after she got locked out of everything, someone wrote to her Seely account that some shit's going down in a few minutes (without clarifying)
> she wrote to False
> globie tweet goes up
> only half a hour later or so she recieve email grom globie

Overall, it started as a personal powertrip drama becasue she dared to not like lolis (LMFAO).
Also confirming that:
> her manager is lower than tourist and never even heard such names as Pekora and Marine
> globie PR, marketing, creative and probably legal is all being done by the single director guy (which Brave top guys were very happy about)

archive, audio only
Original VOD link was, as you can guess from filename, twitch.tv/videos/2396759039

After that, False did another news video, but didn't even mention Globie. Examplary journalistic work.

I need to give this a listen. I will probably do so after the Stage 1 on Day 2.

Remember that every single talent has said they'd have quit on year one and gave him an ultimatum stating they'd do so unless he did better. He was a singular bad decision away from being another EIEN Project.

Its been almost 4 years and they are still here only suffering 1 termination and 1 graduation. Both of which dont seem to be extremely hostile and angry at the company so the fucking Fish seems to have done something right. I think thats basically what it all boils down to. Many of these shitty companies dont course correct. Their ego is too big and they have that asian mentality of "I am the boss I know everything and the underlings should NEVER talk back.".

Guys I think she is talking about the holo gen 3 en dogs getting nendos way ahead of their gen

And council just now also getting their nendos

rip Fauna nendo

I would have wanted a Fauna nendo so bad. That really fucking sucks. At least Chloe got hers out before dipping.

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Anyways Clip Tax:



Also hosting HoloFes 6 in the GroomCord, Stage 1 starts in 21 minutes. Stage 2 starts in about 4 hours.

 

[Halal Gaming]

The idea that they had HoloCure

Holocure ISNT part of it as Kay Yu said he wants it to still be a passion project, IDK where that missconception that its part of it comes from
Quick Opinion about actual Holo Indie games:
IS: Unbalanced since release (free)
Age of Advent: Barebone Minigames put together(free)
HoloParade: Battlecats Clone that not only you need to paid for it also has DLC
HoloXbreak: Decent 2 player game(free)
Wowowow Korone box: Decent Solo game(free)
MIko in Maguma: Kusoge (free)
Miko Sniper: Swamp Attack clone (paid)
Dueholo: Generic Card RPG Roguelike(paid)
Treasure Mountain: 3D Suika Game Clone(paid)
The Adventure of Ina: Mediocre Vertical Shoot em up (paid)
Protostar Twilight: A very bad SRPG(free)
Flare NuiNui Quest: The best game of all of these an Action Platformer(paid)
HoloSaga: Generic Tower Defense(free)
Elite Exorcist Miko: Very good Bullet Hell but its incomplete (still in Early Access)
Jurard Run: This isnt the worst game just because Holorun exists, super short (free)
holo8: At least its better than Holoerror, exit8 clone (paid)
Holorun: Worst game of all, incomplete, a lot of generic assets , shit gameplay and you need to paid for this one (paid)

 

[God's Strongest Dragoon]

Btw she has an updated model. And it looks a lot better.

Brother, she updated her model eight months ago

 

[NeneLOVE]

Wish they made a Holo Gen 3 Darksouls game.


Did she get a shit audience from her shorts? From what I remember her


She did seem to have Nene Vibes but I assumed it was more of a numbers thing.


Agreed. Only time you dont do that is if its with cheap merch to make like Shirts and Keychains or if you are big enough like Hololive or Nijisanji(not EN).


After the Serafi issue 1 year ago I honestly expected more shit to go down but everything seems fairly silent on the V&U front. I haven't followed them after that incident though and hopefully they course corrected (probably not but im a hopeful femboy sometimes). People say that Serafi was a fucking retard but the way they tried to fuck her over and the way they tried to charge her 100k for assets and shit made me realize that they were a shitty company and the fault was not on Serafi. Thats the same type of shit EIEN seemed to have pulled on Riifu.


It does seem Ekko read some of the shit posted here. Or maybe someone close to her let her know.


I need to give this a listen. I will probably do so after the Stage 1 on Day 2.


Its been almost 4 years and they are still here only suffering 1 termination and 1 graduation. Both of which dont seem to be extremely hostile and angry at the company so the fucking Fish seems to have done something right. I think thats basically what it all boils down to. Many of these shitty companies dont course correct. Their ego is too big and they have that asian mentality of "I am the boss I know everything and the underlings should NEVER talk back.".


I would have wanted a Fauna nendo so bad. That really fucking sucks. At least Chloe got hers out before dipping.

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Anyways Clip Tax:



Also hosting HoloFes 6 in the GroomCord, Stage 1 starts in 21 minutes. Stage 2 starts in about 4 hours.

Stage 1 and 2 were yesterday Aze, today it's stage 3 and the creators stagem.

 

[Unseiso Dragon]

Airi/Nova Yugioh collab is live.

RARE AIRI F-BOMB DROPPED
Truly Yugioh brings out the rawest emotions

 

[frz]

How many Holo games are there that are substantial in their own right, rather than just being legally-distinct versions of other games? I get that the main motivation behind developing most of these is just to make something novel for the girls to play on stream, but that doesn't offer much to other players.

I like HoloCure because gameplay-wise it's a genuine improvement over Vampire Survivors, and the Kronii platformer looks neat, but otherwise not much has caught my eye.

>being legally-distinct versions of other games
Just want to say this is 99% of the game industries, surely Marvel Rivals is the first hero shooter, Fortnite is the first Batte Royale, Call of Duty is the first ever First Person Shooter. When game companies aren't recycling games from other companies, they recycle their own and call them "sequels" too

 

[RestlessRain]

>being legally-distinct versions of other games
Just want to say this is 99% of the game industries, surely Marvel Rivals is the first hero shooter, Fortnite is the first Batte Royale, Call of Duty is the first ever First Person Shooter. When game companies aren't recycling games from other companies, they recycle their own and call them "sequels" too

There's a huge difference between Kay Yu deciding he likes schmup games and deciding to make a hololive-themed take on the genre, and someone blatantly copying the design for Suika and slapping some Hololive art on top of it. And it's quite reasonable for someone looking at Hololive-themed indie games to ask what said games have to offer over other, near-identical games besides some generic Hololive-themed art.

 

[God's Saddest Tattletail]

It does seem Ekko read some of the shit posted here. Or maybe someone close to her let her know.

She definitely read /vt/ where there was a lot of stuff posted, but I like to think she pops in here occasionally as well. Her Discord ended up with a bit of discussion as well and was surprisingly productive. Regardless of how it happened I'm really grateful someone or some group got through to her... I still wonder what was going on with her during December/January, but ever since debut she's been back in peak form and I couldn't be happier.

 

[dkn2038]

completely offtopic but there was a sea covering 50% of australia million of years ago and someone called it "eromanga"

Eromanga Sea - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Brosnan Pierce Brosnan]

completely offtopic but there was a sea covering 50% of australia million of years ago and someone called it "eromanga"

Eromanga Sea - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

God damn time travelers man

 

[kushami tasukaru]

Today's notable event is Varium's first 3D showcase for Serenade Oxblood at 9PM JST.


RK Music's XIDEN is singing anime songs.


VSpo's Ichinose Uruha confirming the wild lores about her.


Renri who mainly clips VSpo's Kogara Toto is back with some highlights.

Would you?

Also some interaction with streamer Robin and Reject's Orisaki Moshu.

Also realised it's been five years of him watching Toto. Judging on when most started watching Vtubers regularly, it's around five years for me as well.

 

[JusticeDog]

Hibernation paused

 

[NeneLOVE]

Hibernation paused

Mane-san...

 

[Hff201]

Hibernation paused

Mane-san...

Gura's performance is sponsored by Suno AI.

 

[John Vtuber👁️]

Hibernation paused

(please do not actually touch each other during the live, that's public indecency)

 

[TheHindrance]

call him a femboy (he is) but Cy and Ama both have several high profile roles. I mean he was the Titular Kaiju #9 in Kaiju #9 and let's be honest the only reason the crit role cast get jobs is because you get a package deal with matt mercer.


I get in another month everyone will forget but the guy is a professional despite looking like the usual fuckwit who slacks off on twitch.

Getting a role, whether it's the lead or whatever, means nothing in the western anime industry nowadays when the main requirements are that you're an "e-celeb" and a lefty, it's all nepo hires after that lol.