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shipmate_F

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Whores people don't watch are bad, whores people like for whatever reason aren't whores. Get with the times, old man.
I'm pretty open about the sluts I like and the whores I dislike! :pikafaku:
How many Holo games are there that are substantial in their own right, rather than just being legally-distinct versions of other games? I get that the main motivation behind developing most of these is just to make something novel for the girls to play on stream, but that doesn't offer much to other players.

I like HoloCure because gameplay-wise it's a genuine improvement over Vampire Survivors, and the Kronii platformer looks neat, but otherwise not much has caught my eye.
Holo Indie brand manager needs a stronger filter, there's a lot of slop coming out and after the last lambasted shit released under them, HoloRun, trust in the tag isn't as strong as it was.
I disagree with NeneLove that they're only sticking Hololive over known games: the upcoming MMZ Kronii game, Nuinui Quest, Elite Exorcist and Miko Sniper are pretty good interpretations of abandoned genres for a cheap price. Holo X Break and Ina shmup on the other hand are very underwhelming with the remaining being slop.
The interesting part is that the Fubuki sidescroller is being published by Phoenixx and not Holo Indie, the demo is very promising with a requirement for a bit of polish. If they wanted to fund a real one they'd help the devs or pay them for the right to publish it and strenghten their label. It seems whoever looks out for the dev side is doing it as a side hustle, lacking the vision to grow the game segment into something huge (where is my HoloTCG Sim, Yagoo?).
"If she's actually a good friend to the v-dere girls"
HAH
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She was barely out the door before taking a parting shot at v-dere. Strap in because I'm popping off.

Elia is incredibly fake and 2024 was a gradual mask-off moment. I've followed her since her time at Kawaii and I've gone from thinking the world of her to seeing her as hysterically bitter who thinks the world owes her a favor. She overvalues her unwarranted self-importance and became belligerent, blames others for her inability to handle her finances, is drifting towards twitch clique route, and there's nothing left resembling what made her good when she was in Kawaii.

Last year saw her content slowly take a dive:
  • Absent for months on indulgent vacations.
  • Collab spam.
  • Dropped all video and shorts content.
  • Drifting more towards her twitch audience to chase numbers, despite YT having held her up since Kawaii days.
  • Frequent instances of lashing out at fans who dared to speak out (sometimes justified but still shitty to sit through).
  • Slop and zatsu spam when not collabing, TFT, League, FOTM and back-to-back readings (her voice isn't all that).
The straw that broke the camel's back for me was a membership stream in October, shortly before leaving v-dere, where she had a huge melty. She lashed out at her genmates; acted spiteful over their success, blamed them for her stagnation, acted like she does everything for v-dere when she was frequently shown to slack on group work to the point where she wanted to stop group work because it didn't "benefit her" (Proctor might remember how she was surprised at a slide during Vexpo because she didn't help with it, and once left all the collab setup to the other girls midstream whilst she just fucking played Mario Kart!).
Worst of all she accused them of leeching money from her, and she holds all the times she offered to pay for things against the girls, including the Fan-funded trip to Japan.
To top it off she completely blew her lid at a comment suggesting that she dragged v-dere into her donothon goal, really showcasing how she reacts to the slightest critique. Even in her discord fans felt like they couldn't give feedback because she would go mental:

She also blabbed about whatever v-dere drama happened behind the scenes to other vtubers, so scratch a point for trustworthiness too. Whatever she said, they concluded that "friends shouldn't treat you like that." She got to hear back exactly what she wanted to hear and I imagine she was given lots of other pussy pats from third parties until she deluded herself free of any misdoings and felt justified in leaving rather than try to fix things. Place your bets: Yesman male vtuber grooming or cattish female vtuber clique mentality?


Here's some /vt/ spergery that was reacting to her 2.0 because it brings up some valid topics on why she's awful:
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Screwing over Airi
Knowing how schizo /vt/ is, he probably means Airi was screwed over for being left to collab with a male on her own that one time. The actual bad thing Elia did was all but implicate Airi as being an ungrateful money leech during vexpo, knowing that some fans had begun watching her content too. Elia was really fucking salty about seeing her subscribers going to Airi after the months Elia was away. Rather than be happy that Airi found some success (and understand there's going to be osmosis in any vtuber group) she just got bitter. I don't buy what Elia said, Airi isn't so poor she can't afford to pay for herself and wouldn't impose beyond teasing, there's more to that story Elia isn't telling. Despite saying she doesn't expect anything back when she does offer to pay for things:

Abandoning her dog:
Effectively yes. She wasn't home to care for it most of last year and ended up giving it away before she moved to Japan. I would have some pity for her since it's never good to part from a pet, but now she wants a cat despite having temporary visa to stay in Japan. So fuck her. This is ALL a symptom of how irresponsible she is and doesn't think about how her actions will affect others. She could take the cat back but considering she no longer has family to look after pets for her in Japan and how often she travels, it borders on animal cruelty to get a pet with her working circumstances.

As for the dono goals and GFE...
Yeah, even if ironically, she's leaning hard into using her GIRL factor to peddle goals. She was even nice enough to justify ANOTHER vacation for fans to fund. The worst thing about the rewards is that they're so half-assed considering how important this was to her, this is her self-proclaimed big break. She had months to think of things. Well, she would have if she didn't immediately travel when she moved to Japan and wasted all her prep time in Sapporo. Oops.
Those top donor goals FUCKING SUCK. Second place get's less than the random person who wins the $4000 random merch giveaway, whilst the top earner gets heaps of awards (but still nothing thrilling.) They pale in comparison to last year's too so it's not repeat behavior she's just phoned it in.
There's a few other things too, like promising a drink stream even though last time she promised that she spent it collabing and was SO mad at chat when they called her out for it she not only scolded them on stream, claiming she wasn't comfortable, she doubled down with a callout post too:
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nobody ever said they wanted sussy time from what I could see, that was her own projection. She is very clearly the kind of metoo grifter and has had to hold back going full tilt on SJW equality rants because of her mixed race woes in the past. She definitely hates GFE but takes advantage of it anyway.
A last thing to note about the current donothon: she had one in November too, the same year as her 80k donothon. Why be consistent when you can milk your fans in one big swoop and then slack off?

You've surely heard the reputation that she pitybaits? It's entirely true.
All her stories are twisted to be some great tragedy against her. She sounds sympathetic at first, but don't be fooled. She would make out that life is truly unjust to her, but after being around her for so long and seeing how she reacts to things I can say all her issues are a consequence of her own irresponsibility and all transgressions against her amount to little more than microaggressions or being offended that she's not being the center of attention. She's the sort to unironically say she gets triggered and flaunt how she's such a (self-declared) introvert to make her seem braver for basic bitch engagements.

As for her time in v-dere: she would have you believe she did so much for them but the most she ever did was a largely self-serving Palworld collab where they GAVE money away (poor financial choices) and paid for a Minecraft server, that she abruptly stopped paying for without telling anyone so everyone lost their progress. Nice one, Elia!
There was also the Japan trip but that was an extension of her own indulgence, and again, fan-funded.

Fun fact: did you know Mozu paid Elia back for her Japan trip? And not once has Elia ever mentioned it despite making such a scene about having to pay for everyone's Japan trip and frequently making the girls look like the bad guys by "making" her be the wallet?
:hatethiswhore:

When v-dere announced they would have a concert at offkai this year she tweeted this:
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Bitch actually tried to insinuate she had any involvement in the concert and act like the opportunity was ripped from her. Even more signs that she paints everything in the worst possible light to make her look good. Offkai only announced their policy not to have any returning guests for 2025 in January (iirc). That means v-dere had to organize a sponsorship MONTHS after Elia left. Any influence Elia had would be worth approximately fuck all.



Is she the worst vtuber ever? No. The general negative sentiment towards her isn't unwarranted though. It's worth having some firsthand experience written up for posterity because it's not immediately obvious unless you've been around her long enough. Every so often she will do something for another vtuber that seems good, but remember that it's tainted gold.

I don't want her to crash and burn, but with the way she's going I don't want her to have any influence in the scene either. Ideally, Elia will reflect on how she's been behaving and reel it in, get over herself and try and connect to what used to make her fun. Be genuine towards her fans again instead of acting like she is whilst transparently only prioritizing her own indulgences.

When I look at her 2.0 all I can think is "that's what her soul looks like." It's at complete odds with how she tries to depict herself, 1.0 was perfect for that, but 2.0 fits her manic twofaced nature perfectly.
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Amazing writeup, thanks for putting the effort, this is the shit we love to see because it informs the unaware.
It's interesting because I watched her a bit during collabs, felt a bit of venom and dropped right after because I don't really go with this kind of GFE baiting stuff, but at least her anime critique VODs are good, she did watch a lot of shit and overall knows what's she's talking about. A bit of a shame to have an anime conoisseur as another irresponsible grifter.

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Not a fan of Shiina's new plush, @superduper?

Is she off her meds again or just lack of Tinder dates?
Don't be upsetti by yourself Rie, down the bottle and stream it. :robertudrink:
 

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> her manager is lower than tourist and never even heard such names as Pekora and Marine

Meanwhile, Fishman started his vtuber agency out of spite for being rejected in investing in a different vtuber agency, and to make his own Marine.

He has succeeded in making the most stable and successful small/mid-sized vtuber agency, and has failed four and a half generations in in making his own Marine.

Shine on you crazy diamond.
 

dkn2038

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Phantasm

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C'mon man, we loop on this at least twice a month.

Whores people don't watch are bad, whores people like for whatever reason aren't whores. Get with the times, old man.
The only bad whores to me are the ones that try and act like they aren't ones that's why I have no problem with VAllure they know they're whores and don't try to hide it
 

NeneLOVE

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trust in the tag isn't as strong as it was.
Has there ever been any? In my experience everyone stopped giving a shit about Holoindie a week after it was established. This "trust in the tag" makes it sound like it was some beloved project when in reality people only care about these games when their oshi plays them and they leave the community's collective consciousness the rest of the time.

The only 2 Holo fan games which are still played regularly after release are Holocure and Idol Showdown. As with anything indie (like movies) you should expect 90% to be slop, 5% to be average and 5% to be good.
 

JusticeDog

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Overall, it started as a personal powertrip drama becasue she dared to not like lolis
What? Are you saying that's why she got terminated? :chibiBrainDamage: There aren't even any lolis in Globie, what do they have to do with it?
 

shipmate_F

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Has there ever been any? In my experience everyone stopped giving a shit about Holoindie a week after it was established. This "trust in the tag" makes it sound like it was some beloved project when in reality people only care about these games when their oshi plays them and they leave the community's collective consciousness the rest of the time.

The only 2 Holo fan games which are still played regularly after release are Holocure and Idol Showdown.
The idea that they had HoloCure, HoloXBreak, Elite Miko, Idol Showdown (this is kusoge but I get it) and Treasure Mountain brought a lot of goodwill, but now they opened the doors to grifters or cloutchasers releasing shit under their brand because they know it's gonna be seen. Imagine if Valve decided to let any L4D2/HL2 modder release games under their label as official products but they aren't as polished as they should, see how easy it is to ruin it?
I'm not saying it was huge, but it was growing quite well, and now they have to work double time to recover the small hope they had.
 

electronic elephant

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For those of you who thought Airi hasn't suffered nearly enough, prime confusement and pain in 3 hours

for the love of god please someone continue to play

Airi/Nova Yugioh collab is live.
 

MerelyTourist

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What? Are you saying that's why she got terminated? :chibiBrainDamage: There aren't even any lolis in Globie, what do they have to do with it?
This is how her tensions with management started. I encourage you to listen whole stream, it gets worse than what she outed initially. I wont have time to transcribe it in detail.
 

The Proctor

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Meanwhile, Fishman started his vtuber agency out of spite for being rejected in investing in a different vtuber agency, and to make his own Marine.

He has succeeded in making the most stable and successful small/mid-sized vtuber agency, and has failed four and a half generations in in making his own Marine.

Shine on you crazy diamond.

Remember that every single talent has said they'd have quit on year one and gave him an ultimatum stating they'd do so unless he did better. He was a singular bad decision away from being another EIEN Project.
 

MerelyTourist

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Remember that every single talent has said they'd have quit on year one and gave him an ultimatum stating they'd do so unless he did better. He was a singular bad decision away from being another EIEN Project.
Fishman superpower: when everyone around say you're wrong, to accept that you actually might be and to reconsider your actions.
 

dkn2038

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Remember that every single talent has said they'd have quit on year one and gave him an ultimatum stating they'd do so unless he did better. He was a singular bad decision away from being another EIEN Project.
it takes the right man to take the right decision

after that, he indulged a lot and started openly calling Ember fat
 

CalciumAnimal

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Remember that every single talent has said they'd have quit on year one and gave him an ultimatum stating they'd do so unless he did better. He was a singular bad decision away from being another EIEN Project.
and that's the best part of the story.

he did change. which should not be such a high bar but it is.

Maybe you could learn a little from him Hmm bossman?
 

The Proctor

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Maybe you could learn a little from him Hmm bossman?

I don't feel like spreading my asscheeks for offkai to fuck me over for the 2nd year in a row and then pay them for the privilege, thanks.
 

dkn2038

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PIPPA (BLUE) PLEASE

:sakanapleasepippa:

 

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Not a fan of Shiina's new plush, @superduper?

Guys I think she is talking about the holo gen 3 en dogs getting nendos way ahead of their gen

And council just now also getting their nendos

rip Fauna nendo
 
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NeneLOVE

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Guys I think she is talking about the holo gen 3 en dogs getting nendos way ahead of their gen

And council just now also getting their nendos

rip Fauna nendo

When in doubt, assume any spergout is about Holo :SelenHAHAhere:
but honestly her account doesn't have any references to Holo OR phase, only shitty gachaslop
 

Egg the Boiled

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Guys I think she is talking about the holo gen 3 en dogs getting nendos way ahead of their gen
Don't figures usually come out at varying times for Hololive? I don't think the Goodsmile Pop Up figures always came out in generation-batches.
 

Hff201

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Has there ever been any? In my experience everyone stopped giving a shit about Holoindie a week after it was established. This "trust in the tag" makes it sound like it was some beloved project when in reality people only care about these games when their oshi plays them and they leave the community's collective consciousness the rest of the time.

The only 2 Holo fan games which are still played regularly after release are Holocure and Idol Showdown. As with anything indie (like movies) you should expect 90% to be slop, 5% to be average and 5% to be good.
I think it's more a problem that Hololive openly acknowledging and promoting HoloIndie as a label puts it in this odd spot where while Cover aren't involved in the development of the games, it does suggest they're slightly more "official" than some random kid's fangame. They come with higher expectations that aren't exactly being met.

Remember that every single talent has said they'd have quit on year one and gave him an ultimatum stating they'd do so unless he did better. He was a singular bad decision away from being another EIEN Project.
Wasn't EIEN mostly just one big woman moment after another? I think Fishfag has managed to survive and thrive on the basis that he's a retard without malice. He'll have stupid ideas as a result of his autistic fixations, but because he's not actively trying to cause problems it's still possible to slap sense into him.

Plus apparently during the little woman union moment he just talked them out of it there and then by himself, which is probably one of the biggest "autism is my superpower" things I could think of.

When in doubt, assume any spergout is about Holo :SelenHAHAhere:
but honestly her account doesn't have any references to Holo OR phase, only shitty gachaslop
Rie is incredibly insecure and constantly menheras by comparing herself to people around her, so even if this particular thing's about Holo or something else, she probably does drive herself insane over the other Phase girls succeeding in ways she isn't. She admitted as such on that account (vaguely) shortly after Jelly got a fuckton of donations at once a while back.
 

Kalion

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Eira is issuing an apology for inflammatory statements she made towards the Monster Hunter community that reached far behind its intended audience:



Said statements:
 

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