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[bothyourhouses]

Any genwunners out there; go ahead and count how many gen 1 pokemon are variations on 'literally just a ball'.

And yet you could name them all, even the ball ones are iconic. You mention e.g. Geodude being just a ball with arms, but you'd recognise him from his silhouette.

If she developed her under contract with globie and didn't bring an already existing copyrighted design she's SOL, isn't she? She has certain moral rights as the original creator, but globie owns the IP and all commercial usage.

She probably still owns the copyright and just licenses it to them, but it depends entirely what the contract with them says. You mention comics, where it's fairly normal to have a "all rights revert to the creator if not published for x months/years" term. I don't know if anyone does this for vtubers.

 

[NeneLOVE]

You mention comics, where it's fairly normal to have a "all rights revert to the creator if not published for x months/years" term. I don't know if anyone does this for vtubers.

Considering most vtubers don't make their own characters definitely not.

 

[No way dude]

 

[frz]

Case in point, even the AMD cards, while competitive with Nvidia's (in rasterisation, we'll see how well they square up in ray tracing) are still $100+ more expensive than the mid-high card in a gen would have been a few years ago, when electronics used to basically be the only consumer products that were immune to inflation while getting measurably better.

What do you mean "a few years ago", did you wipe covid off your memory. Covid was 4 years ago. You are talking about 10-20 years ago old man.
The 5070 right now is cheaper than the 3070 ever was, even at 5070 current inflated price.

The issue is game optimization rather than card price. It used to be possible to max out 1080p on mid-range cards (960-1060-2060-1660) back in the days. The xx70 cards designed for 1440p could easily handle games at 1080p 5-6 years after their release. However, game released nowadays already needed minimum 4080-5070 to max out 1080p because UE5 and game optimization are dog shit. Irys playing ultra low Monster Hunt on the 3070 is something else.

Do talents really pay for Sololives? That cannot be right. Doesn't the company select who gets to do it?

And it makes sense that these things don't really make money, even shit like Fes probably barely makes cash and only pumps earnings from the huge amount of merch they sell.

I do think it's weird that they don't sponsor/subsidize them in anyway other than "loans", but the process is a bit different than what you think. And yes Suisei certainly funded her Bundokan concert and Japan Tour.
It's rather "Cover accepted Suisei's Proposal to perform in Bundoukan" than "Cover told Suisei to perform in Bundoukan"
The process start with the talents themselves submitting a proposal to Holo and convincing them to do it. They have to prove to Cover it's worth their time and effort using several different metrics/google slides/slick tongues. Which metrics we can only guess, but here are my theories:
- Album sales (old metric)
- Fan engagement (new metric)
+ Ultra popular, high CCV like Pekora
+ Fan requests: Recently holo talents had been encouraging fans to leave comments like "I want to see concert of X" because Hololive will be reading them. I don't remember exactly whom but I have heard this thing at least 4 times now from different people.

 

[NeneLOVE]

What do you mean "a few years ago", did you wipe covid off your memory. Covid was 4 years ago. You are talking about 10-20 years ago old man.
The 5070 right now is cheaper than the 3070 ever was, even at 5070 current inflated price.

The issue is game optimization rather than card price. It used to be able to max out 1080p on mid-range cards (960-1060-2060-3060) back in the days. The xx70 cards designed for 1440p could easily handle games at 1080p 5-6 years after their release. However, game released nowadays needing minimum 4080-5070 to max out 1080p because UE5 and game optimization are dog shit. Irys playing ultra low Monster Hunt on the 3070 is something else.

I do think it's weird that they don't sponsor/subsidize them in anyway, but the process is a bit different than what you think
It's rather "Suisei asked Cover to perform in Bundoukan" rather than "Cover told Suisei to perform in Bundoukan"
The process start with the talents themselves submitting an application to Holo and convincing them to do it. They have to prove to Cover it's worth their time and effort using several different metrics/powerpoint/google slide. Which metrics we can only guess, but here are my theories:
- Album sales (old metric)
- Fan engagement (new metric)
+ Ultra popular, high CCV like Pekora
+ Fan requests: This one is a new one. Recently multiple holo talents had been encouraging fans to leave comments like "I want to see concert of X because Hololive will be reading them." I don't remember exactly whom but I have heard this thing at least 4 times now from different people.

Why should the talent need to convince the company of something they're paying for themselves? Also where did you get this info?
To me this sounds much more like the company pays at least a percentage of the event, seeing as they are so reluctant to do these things with unproven talents.

 

[Poyoyo & Jill]

+ Ultra popular, high CCV like Pekora

This cant be the only reason Migo,Marine and Pekora who have high CCV just had their first Sololive ever in 2024 while someone while someone like Okayu already had one in the past and has other coming in 2025

 

[Tubedude]

After multiple Ls, Twitch staff decided to fold


Watch your back, Brave Group.

Inb4 this gets used by people to suspend/ban people they don't like. Don't like a streamer? Bot their viewers and mass report it.

 

[frz]

Why should the talent need to convince the company of something they're paying for themselves? Also where did you get this info?
To me this sounds much more like the company pays at least a percentage of the event, seeing as they are so reluctant to do these things with unproven talents.

"Why should the talent need to convince the company of something they're paying for themselves?"
Ask Yagoo. Personally I think they are too swamped with 3D lives and they don't want to divide resources into sololive that might flop. Or they treats sololive as a reward and talents had to earn it. Or whatever Japanese autism they have.
But the reality is Talents pay for concert. It would make no sense if Cover select and told people to do sololive, and then charge them money for it. That would be literally extortion/stealing and people would drop like flies. People pay because it's their idea in the first place.

"Where did you get this info"
I made it up, based on my observations, because hololive has never been transparent about this.

This cant be the only reason Migo,Marine and Pekora who have high CCV just had their first Sololive ever in 2024 while someone while someone like Okayu already had one in the past and has other coming in 2025

- Fan engagement (new metric)
2024 and 2025 is what I called new, CCV started getting adopted as a metric during late 2023 (Pekora concert at Dec 2023) and the fan comments thing around Aqua's graduation when a bunch of Holo talents, even the less popular ones like Noel & Lamy, talked about wanting to do their own sololive one day. Which had me theorize that something changed at Cover due to Aqua's departure.


Note that, once again, these are all guess works because Hololive is not transparent
Someone like Watame/Okayu certainly used completely different metrics than the two I theorized above.
There can be 100 different metrics. But I guessed 2 out of 100.

 

[dkn2038]

found the guy behind vtuber's contract writing

Spoiler: possibly sensitive content IDK

 

[Hff201]

Why should the talent need to convince the company of something they're paying for themselves?

Just for brand control I'd imagine. If one of the talents did something of their own accord that flopped it'd still reflect poorly on Hololive so they probably only want to greenlight things that'd be high profile enough to guarantee a high turnout, not to mention you want to space out big events to keep them novel.

 

[tarkanoltr]

 

[Todd's Strongest Howard]

Inb4 this gets used by people to suspend/ban people they don't like. Don't like a streamer? Bot their viewers and mass report it.

Program the bots to self-report.

 

[tarkanoltr]

HAACHAMA NOOOOO!

 

[PleaseCheckYourReceipts]

IIRC, the prevailing idea was that the talents are only given special 3D lives during birthdays and that any other special solo 3D live performance that they want to do comes out of their own pocket. The thing that Cover does is that they let the talents "borrow" or take a loan on the cost of the 3D live or other personal projects related to their character (like production costs for original songs) and then recoup that as a paycheck deduction moving forward until the load is paid off. It's the reason Moona has joked that she can't retire since she still has to pay back Yagoo and there was a clip of Bae posted the other day saying that she's still owes Cover for last year's sololive and now has this latest 20025 one on top of it - leading to her paycheck last month "going under" due to the deductions.

Beyond what the Livers had said, it makes pretty logical sense. A concert is a massive amount of pre-prep work, just in the basic sense. The only way an online, free concert can possibly make money is to sell merch. That Merch needs to be designed & prepared, with producers secured but quantity not. That takes upfront capital, which is why they assured the talents a certain amount of funds for projects and a concert to show off their skills. If they want. They can turn them down if they're not that interested in them.

It's also better business from Cover's end to make every option available for their talents to put on shows. Even at a loss, it's always marketing. The ID girls have it rough because of the very weak currency and very high cost associated with short-run goods. Though Kobo's rockstar status allows them all to do a good bit more.

I know all of this, what I'm asking is "Did suisei have to pay for her bodukan concert?"

Suisei is in a weird spot, because she has the Midnight Orchestra contract and the joint venture one that Cover has with UMJ. Where everything was contracted from would be interesting to know, it's likely run through UMJ, though maybe contracted by Cover. From the website itself, it was most likely contracted through Cover (pretty clearly) and with sponsorship from Joy Sound and Furyu. I was actually expecting Bushiroad to show up, because it seems like they always do, lol.

Given the size and complexity of the upfront costs, I'm going to assume it was fronted by Cover, given the PR values involved. Renting out Budokan isn't as expensive as people would think, but the production costs for a 1-off concert is where things would get expensive. Even at a capacity of 8k at 100USD per ticket, that 800k in revenue is still going to need other revenue to be profitable.

I think she falls in the same basket as Calli - she's signed with Universal Music Japan for her musical activities so they basically subsidize the cost of her sololives in order to promote her music.

Other girls that aren't signed to an outside music label aren't so lucky so pretty much all of the cost of any sololives would come out of their pockets.

EDIT: Upon further thought, I don't think Suisei is explicitly signed to UMJ like Calli is. Which would likely mean her budokan concert was a Cover loan or part of the costs was subsidized covered under the Holo-N music label (which is technically a joint venture between Cover and UMJ).

I'd need to go double check all of the previous, recent JP concerts, but I think a number of them had title sponsors. Bushiroad was involved a lot in 2021, it seems. But it seems like exterior funding partners have dropped off as Cover has gotten larger.

What do you mean "a few years ago", did you wipe covid off your memory. Covid was 4 years ago. You are talking about 10-20 years ago old man.
The 5070 right now is cheaper than the 3070 ever was, even at 5070 current inflated price.

The issue is game optimization rather than card price. It used to be possible to max out 1080p on mid-range cards (960-1060-2060-1660) back in the days. The xx70 cards designed for 1440p could easily handle games at 1080p 5-6 years after their release. However, game released nowadays already needed minimum 4080-5070 to max out 1080p because UE5 and game optimization are dog shit. Irys playing ultra low Monster Hunt on the 3070 is something else.

I do think it's weird that they don't sponsor/subsidize them in anyway other than "loans", but the process is a bit different than what you think. And yes Suisei certainly funded her Bundokan concert and Japan Tour.
It's rather "Cover accepted Suisei's Proposal to perform in Bundoukan" than "Cover told Suisei to perform in Bundoukan"
The process start with the talents themselves submitting a proposal to Holo and convincing them to do it. They have to prove to Cover it's worth their time and effort using several different metrics/google slides/slick tongues. Which metrics we can only guess, but here are my theories:
- Album sales (old metric)
- Fan engagement (new metric)
+ Ultra popular, high CCV like Pekora
+ Fan requests: Recently holo talents had been encouraging fans to leave comments like "I want to see concert of X" because Hololive will be reading them. I don't remember exactly whom but I have heard this thing at least 4 times now from different people.

On the GPUs, per-generation uplifts have dropped while timing between generations has increased. Also, Crypto Booms happened.

As for concerts with Cover talents, the first issue is always going to be business-based. There's a lot of upfront costs to a big concert, so someone had to foot the bill to get started. Though it looks like Pekora's solo event in 2023 really set off the trend with Cover. They'll only do it for the biggest members that they can safely assure can sell out an arena, but I'd assume they now have full time staff dedicated specifically to coordination for those live events.

 

[shipmate_F]

I have seen more people have had issues with AMD drivers than Nvidia drivers.

Been a while this has been the case, like 2 or 3 years. ANY driver update can brick or burn your hardware, that's why you wait a week until the reports come in.

tldr: she made a fansly stream where she brought a guy and fucked him while the simps just watched in the cuck chair, some people took this badly because "they were basically paying to get NTR"

You forgot to point it out it was during valentine's day, making it as twice effective.

I thought Cottontail was married. That must've been an awkward chat to mod

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I think she was at some point but she talks about boy toys all the time so I guess she have enough money to get any.

Give it time

She used to do flesh porn before, just look up the archives.

Inb4 this gets used by people to suspend/ban people they don't like. Don't like a streamer? Bot their viewers and mass report it.

This already happens. Antis follow/view-bot other people then report the stream, you have to block/force unfollow to not get into "the list" that pushes you out of the algorithm. Twitch knows whose channels bot, they have the logs after all, but it requires human verification and someone who's not protected by staff to enforce the rules.

 

[nooternun]

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Happy 7 years Roboco!


Also, Himehina just finished their 2 day concert and there are clips all around "#ヒメヒナ7周年ライブDay1" and "#ヒメヒナ7周年ライブDay2". Seems like they put on a really great show. See, Lapu was there!

And their new song

 

[Lazybug]

Ah man she really fucked the dog this time

 

[Punished Anime Discusser]

Ah man she really fucked the dog this time

Is that what the kids call the good old fashioned twitchcon gangbang now?

 

[Superduper Samurai]

Is that what the kids call the good old fashioned twitchcon gangbang now?

Its either the twitch con gangbang or getting molested by Hylo apparently

 

[Sankisei]

RTed the clip of Nozomi Tsuji announcing her 5th pregnancy

Then she posts this

TL:"The Tsuji-chan couple is so wonderfulFive people is amazing...! I want to have a family like that"
Miguel Stop baiting forming a family you are 36 years old