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Update on Suiika's customizable model:



That's one heck of a payday at 4,000 purchases at $110 per purchase, even if you take out processing fees and the like. I'm glad she's been rewarded for her work on this. Given the level of success here, I wouldn't be surprised if other people follow suit.

She should invest that into it and start selling DLC, make a company out of it or something.
:BijouBijou:
Right now she's working on free updates on the current model:



Constantly updating the old model isn't a bad way to go. It can greatly extend the sales life of a product, like it does for games like Minecraft, Stardew Valley, Terraria and so forth, and will only become a more compelling purchase for beginner vtubers as more features and customization options are added.
 

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"I need all these male CEOs who have never interacted with young girls to stop opening VTuber companies"
"I think the problem is that most VTuber CEOs do not have the ability to understand how volatile, distressed and emotional girls in this field can be, and the empathy that comes along with that and I truly think that is the root of the problem"
"Genuinely, I think the best VTuber CEO would be someone who has a daughter"
Looking for all those successful female run corpos
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I'm getting really sick of all this cunts preaching something THAT THEY DON'T BELIEVE IN.



Fuck off, hypocrite.

I'm sorry I don't have a big comfy tech job and get to LARP as an anime girl on a whim, you cunt. How about you get off your soapbox and learn to drive before you kill yourself in another traffic accident?

"Do YT shorts"

I thought she said she knew how to run a successful channel?
 

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The current issues of the industry can definitely be traced back to the boom. It is undeniable to say that 2020 changed everything, it made vtubing seem very "chic" and like an easy-peasy way of being anonymous while racking in those billions. All of these young girls stuck in the weirdness of the education system during COVID and young techbros who were multiplying like rats during the emergence of the crypto/NFT bubble saw Holo and Vshojo and went "I can do that, it's super easy! It'll get me fame and money with almost no effort!" and thus we have the dozens of corpos started and staffed by idiots who don't know the first thing about running an agency having their shit implode and giving the whole industry a bad name.

I think it's fairly obvious that these near-constant agency failures have made people feel vindicated in their "industry is predatory and evil" mentality. I do wonder if the boom had not been so sudden maybe we would've had a slower burn on the industry's development, with agencies started by actual managers/back end professionals with some years of experience in the field instead of randos trying to coast off of Holo's fame in the west and failing en-masse, which has in itself created another wave of idiots with no experience who now want to "fix the industry" by subverting the tried and tested agency model and going the other way, which is barely "a model" and just consists of "hire the most popular indies/ex-corpos you can find and let them stream while skimming profit off the top". That shit is just machinima with vtubers and will end up failing too.
Actually I wonder why the fuck does vtubers on dead corpo always sign away their rights to credit themselves.
I would imagine the only thing stopping vtubers from saying "I used to voice XXX from company #000000" is NDA. But why the fuck are you signing them when the company itself is going down and offer you nothing in exchange?
And if the initial contract has clauses forbidding you to do it. It means jack shit when the company you first signed it to is dissolved.
Feels like it is a failure of negotiation rather than the failure of the entire industry.
I've been thinking about this. While it's true that they can't talk about playing said characters in public, I wonder if they can still put it in their resume when applying for work.

For example, Bae probably included her work as Marica Bellerose when applying to Hololive, same with Fuwamoco with their work as Go Go Nippon.
I dont think they did. There is no need to anyway
They just need to put:
"I have 12 years of experience working as a vtuber
I gained 100k subs in 2 months
I have experience working with a japanese/foreign company"
And they can do all of that without breaking NDA or putting their old name on papers, can save it until being verbally interviewed.
I think any employer would care about those hard statistics more than random names that they have to search up.
I don't know why but I keep looking at the sarcastic tone you used for the post as you seething and not you making fun on the reddiots. No clue why.

Anyway, sarcasm aside, I don't really see the ID vtubing industry currently as "booming". It's more of a start, since the things like local ads and collab with local celebs/internet personalities are still relatively recent. For Hololive ID right now, it's currently Kobo and Kaela that gets the ID normie attentions, but as far as I know it, it's still "weeb shit" and still considered as fast-growing minorities among the ID netizens.

As for Raditya Dika himself, eh... he's okay. Comparison was pretty bad, but he's more or less a jack of all trades (Comedian, book author, Film Director/Writer, now podcaster). Just because Kobo and Kaela appeared on his podcast doesn't really mean that Hololive ID (and thus vtuber in ID) is booming, since on the comments on Kobo's episode at least, there are still people commenting about "whoa, Dika is talking to ANIME."

But then again, it is reddit. No idea why you had to focus on this particular one since it's what, some guy talking with Kaela with nothing much to say about it except "ID vtubing getting bigger, guys".
Anyway, here's the video link if anyone's curious (it's fully Indonesian though, so don't go around saying 'I CANT UNDERSTAND SHIET')

(title in EN is: "How do I shoot this?", which relates to the whole 2d talking to 3d thingie and Kaela is in her 3d model form)

Kobo is doing okay. It just that since Kobo is the one that most ID weebs (and honestly anything big involving HoloID at this point), Frz is using her as a example for his sarcastic-posting.

She did appear on the "Raditya Dika" guy mentioned in the reddit post screenshot before Kaela, though.

Yeah its pretty much like that. I believe it was common practice back when YT Superchat isn't recognized for IDs, so either they have to use a way to make it sent superchat not as ID or using local/outside YT alternative. Even after superchat is available in ID, they still use it as secondary source of fans to donate to them, either because of special perks or features tied to it (example: AKA Virtual's ONShannon trakteer donations allows someone to play a video link when their dono is sent and received on stream) or because it's less of a hassle to do so (no need converting money or spending way too much compared to super chat).

So yeah, that pretty much means their actual donation earnings isn't really accurate if you focused on the superchats alone. You might need to go to their alternative earnings and combine it with the superchat to get a clear picture, but to some people that takes too much effort.

I can tally the streamlabs donation if there is an easier way than watching the streams normally and waiting for it.
Still kaela is getting shit ton of SCs and ollie was near her level in SCs 2 years ago. So the shift away from youtube sc must have happened very recently. I dont think the timeline with "it has always been this way" is correct.

I do think I came off too passive agressive there but I am also naturally passive agressive I guess.
 
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I don't watch them, but isn't VAllure doing pretty well?
They seem to be doing surprisingly well, enough for Gen 2 to already be underway, and I only recall one small incident but they haven't even been around for a year yet.

I recall Stronny saying she put others in charge of the day to day as well. Is it known who's actually running stuff behind the scenes?
 

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They seem to be doing surprisingly well, enough for Gen 2 to already be underway, and I only recall one small incident but they haven't even been around for a year yet.
Wait, has it only been that long? I could have sworn it's been like two years.
 

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I don't watch them, but isn't VAllure doing pretty well?
Yes, but they're also the literal hoe (affectionate) corpo, so it's kinda cheating to bring them up.
 

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I understand people are drama whores, and that's all the reason they need, but it's kind of wild how this particular small corpo closing has brought all this anger from random fuckers. I haven't really seen any anger or vitriol coming from the actual talents this shit has affected, and yet all these unifiliated indies/small corpo people are just so pissy over this one. Unless they somehow know some horrible behind-the-scenes info we don't know, all these spergs are just bitching for the sake of being drama spergs.

But again, fuck the guy for having health problems and being unable to keep the company going, amirite?
In addition to the shock factor, I think Pixel is just an easy target for corpo-haters who feel vindicated by the wave of company closures in the past year.

The girls are well-liked and fairly well-connected (e.g. VSMP + the Holo alts who commented on Raki's donothon announcement), and Pixel was perceived (rightly or wrongly) as "one of the good ones". So if you were already convinced that there's no such thing as a good corpo, Pixel would be an excellent example.

I guess the hypothetical comparison here would be if Phase had something on the level of the Yuri termination today, and how many people would latch on to it as proof that Phase was bad all along, despite everything we've seen and heard to the contrary.

I honestly blame the Selen incident for this sense in the community that every corpo is secretly hiding NijiEN-tier skeletons in its closet. I don't doubt that there are tons of fly-by-night corpos who do burn their talents, but (and this is my own bias perhaps), I really don't think Pixel was one of them.

At best, what can be thrown at the company is the IP issue, because there is a solid number (10K USD*) attached to Raki's IP now. Naturally, some would see the amount as extortionate, when it would go to waste otherwise. But we've already discussed it extensively here in this thread and in the Pixel thread why things ended up this way.

*roughly 90% the IP, 10% the donothon costs based on what Raki has said
 
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I'm getting really sick of all this cunts preaching something THAT THEY DON'T BELIEVE IN.



Fuck off, hypocrite.

I'm sorry I don't have a big comfy tech job and get to LARP as an anime girl on a whim, you cunt. How about you get off your soapbox and learn to drive before you kill yourself in another traffic accident?


Looking for all those successful female run corpos
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"Do YT shorts"

I thought she said she knew how to run a successful channel?
I checked out Eva when she was baking cookies for her first members. She then proceeded to add all the parasocial "uwu you know you guys mean the world to me" routine and I checked out.
But hey, if that works for her, then all the more power. I don't care how one runs a hustle, in today's hellscape of whorestreamers, findommes and worse, you do what you have to in order to make it work.
 

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Guessing Biboo and Ina. Maybe Raora. Who is the 4th?
 

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Guessing Biboo and Ina. Maybe Raora. Who is the 4th?

Cece maybe?
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Guessing Biboo and Ina. Maybe Raora. Who is the 4th?

If you want more official Monster Hunter content from vtubers our boy JoCat has you covered.
 

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Guessing Biboo and Ina. Maybe Raora. Who is the 4th?

Raora must be the black one.
 
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