"Some of those might be girls. Some of those must be girls... But there's definitely someone in Final Fantasy 14 who's 100% authentic verified certified female... Someone in there out of all the profiles in Final Fantasy 14, definitely there's at least one female in there"Shiori Novella
Boy do I love that when ever a fledgling corpo dies my feed gets infested with indies shitting on all corpos treating them as literally the worst thing to happen to vtubing. Their largest talent wasn't even at 50k subs, love Kanna but it's a fact.
Despite the younger age Caitlyn has been on the internet even longer than a lot of actual hags and experienced so many failures and internet obscurity/job insecurity. Ofc she's gonna cling to this job with all her might/be happy right now.
A lot of holo graduations tend to be the "never experienced failures" type so far who gets popular in their first try so they are less attached to the corpos.
kson did well before being Coco and so after
Lemonleaf did well as an asmr duo channel with shondo before Hololive
Sana already got a job that paid well as Namie
Too lazy to look up aqua PL but I will chalk it up as super success since young because hololive (Edit: debut on NND when she was 13 jesus christ, joined hololive at 18)
Chloe health reasons
Ame literally won a Grammy & was a popular twitch streamer as Sachiowo
Noone cares about Holostars
I wonder if this dynamics will change in the upcoming years but we will see.
I don't think this rule is airtight but I have always been aware that talents like Kiara, who often bitch about management and constantly try to find ways to get out from under their thumb have stayed while others who rarely say anything just suddenly drop. The only difference I can see is 1. Some of the talents REALLY like being idols/singing/dancing which Holo is the best place for in the industry and 2. Some talents have experienced so much suffering and shitty situations before that anything a Holo manager could conjure up seems like a mild annoyance.
Despite Holo loosing talent it still remains stable, events and merch get pumped out on schedule and the gears spin better than they ever have on stuff. If shit began getting canceled then I think we would see a lot more discontent.
Ironmouse has gone from the pedestal of respected seniors like Kizuna A.I and Tokino Sora, to straight up normie tier bitch basic garbage Twitch clout gobbler who doesn't even seem to understand her own fucking hobby anymore. What a steep downfall I must say. And to think like 3 years ago, we were giving her a pass.
I never saw Ironmouse as anything special tbh, barely knew her back then too.
OGs in my mind have always been the kings, omega sisters, nekomiya hinata, bachaaru, Sora, Mito, Fuji Aoi and others.
I never saw Ironmouse as anything special tbh, barely knew her back then too.
OGs in my mind have always been the kings, omega sisters, nekomiya hinata, bachaaru, Sora, Mito, Fuji Aoi and others.
In a way, she is one of the few OGs in the EN scene but it was solely because the other few were either niche and complete unknowns that quit/rebranded by now or were picked up by companies already like Natsumi Moe/Shiori. Even then she wasn't really anything special beyond a 2-view with a condition that found out a way to stream with a "face"
she was pretty small in the grand scheme of things in the earlier days, it was only till she was picked up by lewdcast and then (probably) approached to start Vshojo by thegunrun
I never saw Ironmouse as anything special tbh, barely knew her back then too.
OGs in my mind have always been the kings, omega sisters, nekomiya hinata, bachaaru, Sora, Mito, Fuji Aoi and others.
Okay, I’ve watched the Podge stream. Here’s a summary. I put my rough notes in a spoiler if you want a bit more info.
Assuming Podge is telling the truth, I have a bit more sympathy for the talents after this. They had a meeting with River on January 22 and put in their 30 days’ notice as per their contract. They wanted this meeting to be with River only but some managers (who she and the others who joined praised highly) joined in anyway. The talents asked to leave sooner than that saying that a “could leave earlier with good cause” clause in the termination part of the contract should have been in effect, but I doubt that could be decided unilaterally. River eventually got back to them and presented them with two choices for “exit contracts,” but none of the talents wanted to sign them because whereas their original contracts had no NDAs or confidentiality clauses, the exit contracts did.
When River asked the talents to stop streaming or working with sponsors, Podge refused because she’s full-time and had to continue streaming to live. She went over numbers, including some absolute dollar figures, of what HF’s cut was for her various sources of income, and it was quite small. She says that the agency never provided anything for the talents, but given how small those numbers were I’m not sure what she was expecting. Unsurprisingly, her biggest source of income is from Fansly because of course a Twitcher with a massive jiggly-tit model has a Fansly page.
Podge said she felt her insubordination to River’s demands over the past month was justified because “we were paying him. He wasn’t our boss, he just gave us management advice” and so on. Obviously River had a different perspective on that.
She and the other talents stated, with a rather odd, bitter tone, that there was evidence of the things she was saying, but that it’s only for lawyers and that nobody else had a right to see it.
I think the part that makes River look the worst though is that he knew for the past month that the walkout day was coming, but he didn’t announce anything on the HF Twitter account, arrange some sort of “graduation” event for the talents, or, according to an investor that was in chat, notify his company’s investors - he just let the time pass and the walkout be a surprise to everybody. Really bad way to handle it if he didn't want to make himself and his corpo look incompetent and vindictive.
Konotomo the supposed lawyer is still streaming and apparently has been going over a copy of the HF contract that managed to fall into his hands. Really looking forward to watching this once he’s done (will Twitch ever add a feature to let us start active streams from the beginning like YouTube has supported since forever?). There's a chance the text of the contract might contradict some of what Podge said about it.
- Everything I’m saying has evidence but you can’t see it because it’s none of your business (what lmao)
- We have a lawyer (then stop talking lmao)
- On Jan 22, we asked to quit without 30 days notice because we had good cause but River would not allow it
- You have no right to the info (many times - weird tone)
- Gets severely one-guyed by someone in chat asking for evidence
- Stream after the 22nd, “exit contracts” presented, but unacceptable
- No NDAs/confidentiality in original contract, but exit contracts had confidentiality clause
- River asked us to stop streaming, but I am a full-time creator, I need to stream to live. I asked for exception, he permitted, but then he rescinded that
- He told me to stop, “that is not actionable advice for me” so I ignored it
- We own our content, River is not our boss, he could give us management advice but not tell us what to do. We were paying him (?)
- River never funded anything for me, I did not get what I felt I was paying for
- Undyne Arashi, Valtrya joins: Unusual amount of stress, actions from River felt vindictive/punitive
- Undyne: The rest of the staff have been great, talents that dealt with managers other than River did better
- Undyne: We planned a meeting, moved it up to just be with River because we didn’t want/need other staff to be there, but some joined anyway
- River was going to use arbitration process to find as many of our contract breaches as possible, but proper reaction to contract breach is termination (Not always, you idiots. If the damage isn’t that bad, continuing a contract is often better for both parties - see Gaomi)
- We didn’t want to respond to River’s pressure to sign exit contracts but we were told our lack of contact was breaching contract in itself
- We didn’t know how much investors knew about us quitting - investor in chat says they knew nothing (so this guy knew for a full month that his company was going to collapse yet it was a surprise to the investors when it did - oof)
- We’ve been asking where our money was going, we were supposed to receive quarterly reports and we weren’t getting them. Lots of promises of benefits from HF but we never saw them
- “We did a one-month trial of River managing my Fansly and I gave him a cut from that” OF FUCKING COURSE THIS TWITCHER WHOSE MODEL IS 50% TIT HAS A FANSLY PROFILE WAS THERE EVER ANY DOUBT? “Most of my money comes from Fansly”
- Podge quoted some percentages and dollar amounts of HF’s cuts - they were very small so I’m not sure what they were expecting to get back from it
- “Socks is a great agency” - raids into Yomi
Edit: I vote for moving the HF posts into a separate event thread since it's turning into a rather interesting shitshow.
Okay, I’ve watched the Podge stream. Here’s a summary. I put my rough notes in a spoiler if you want a bit more info.
Assuming Podge is telling the truth, I have a bit more sympathy for the talents after this. They had a meeting with River on January 22 and put in their 30 days’ notice as per their contract. They wanted this meeting to be with River only but some managers (who she and the others who joined praised highly) joined in anyway. The talents asked to leave sooner than that saying that a “could leave earlier with good cause” clause in the termination part of the contract should have been in effect, but I doubt that could be decided unilaterally. River eventually got back to them and presented them with two choices for “exit contracts,” but none of the talents wanted to sign them because whereas their original contracts had no NDAs or confidentiality clauses, the exit contracts did.
When River asked the talents to stop streaming or working with sponsors, Podge refused because she’s full-time and had to continue streaming to live. She went over numbers, including some absolute dollar figures, of what HF’s cut was for her various sources of income, and it was quite small. She says that the agency never provided anything for the talents, but given how small those numbers were I’m not sure what she was expecting. Unsurprisingly, her biggest source of income is from Fansly because of course a Twitcher with a massive jiggly-tit model has a Fansly page.
Podge said she felt her insubordination to River’s demands over the past month was justified because “we were paying him. He wasn’t our boss, he just gave us management advice” and so on. Obviously River had a different perspective on that.
She and the other talents stated, with a rather odd, bitter tone, that there was evidence of the things she was saying, but that it’s only for lawyers and that nobody else had a right to see it.
I think the part that makes River look the worst though is that he knew for the past month that the walkout day was coming, but he didn’t announce anything on the HF Twitter account, arrange some sort of “graduation” event for the talents, or, according to an investor that was in chat, notify his company’s investors - he just let the time pass and the walkout be a surprise to everybody. Really bad way to handle it if he didn't want to make himself and his corpo look incompetent and vindictive.
Konotomo the supposed lawyer is still streaming and apparently has been going over a copy of the HF contract that managed to fall into his hands. Really looking forward to watching this once he’s done (will Twitch ever add a feature to let us start active streams from the beginning like YouTube has supported since forever?). There's a chance the text of the contract might contradict some of what Podge said about it.
- Everything I’m saying has evidence but you can’t see it because it’s none of your business (what lmao)
- We have a lawyer (then stop talking lmao)
- On Jan 22, we asked to quit without 30 days notice because we had good cause but River would not allow it
- You have no right to the info (many times - weird tone)
- Gets severely one-guyed by someone in chat asking for evidence
- Stream after the 22nd, “exit contracts” presented, but unacceptable
- No NDAs/confidentiality in original contract, but exit contracts had confidentiality clause
- River asked us to stop streaming, but I am a full-time creator, I need to stream to live. I asked for exception, he permitted, but then he rescinded that
- He told me to stop, “that is not actionable advice for me” so I ignored it
- We own our content, River is not our boss, he could give us management advice but not tell us what to do. We were paying him (?)
- River never funded anything for me, I did not get what I felt I was paying for
- Undyne Arashi, Valtrya joins: Unusual amount of stress, actions from River felt vindictive/punitive
- Undyne: The rest of the staff have been great, talents that dealt with managers other than River did better
- Undyne: We planned a meeting, moved it up to just be with River because we didn’t want/need other staff to be there, but some joined anyway
- River was going to use arbitration process to find as many of our contract breaches as possible, but proper reaction to contract breach is termination (Not always, you idiots. If the damage isn’t that bad, continuing a contract is often better for both parties - see Gaomi)
- We didn’t want to respond to River’s pressure to sign exit contracts but we were told our lack of contact was breaching contract in itself
- We didn’t know how much investors knew about us quitting - investor in chat says they knew nothing (so this guy knew for a full month that his company was going to collapse yet it was a surprise to the investors when it did - oof)
- We’ve been asking where our money was going, we were supposed to receive quarterly reports and we weren’t getting them. Lots of promises of benefits from HF but we never saw them
- “We did a one-month trial of River managing my Fansly and I gave him a cut from that” OF FUCKING COURSE THIS TWITCHER WHOSE MODEL IS 50% TIT HAS A FANSLY PROFILE WAS THERE EVER ANY DOUBT? “Most of my money comes from Fansly”
- Podge quoted some percentages and dollar amounts of HF’s cuts - they were very small so I’m not sure what they were expecting to get back from it
- “Socks is a great agency” - raids into Yomi
Edit: I vote for moving the HF posts into a separate event thread since it's turning into a rather interesting shitshow.
So classic small agency meltdown? Idiot CEO and idiot talents get into a finger-pointing contest over who gets to come out of it in the better position?
So classic small agency meltdown? Idiot CEO and idiot talents get into a finger-pointing contest over who gets to come out of it in the better position?
The ones who will make the most money on it are lawyers after this idiots would eventually sue each other over harassment, defamation and other big scary sounding words
The ones who will make the most money on it are lawyers after this idiots would eventually sue each other over harassment, defamation and other big scary sounding words
anyone serious about suing wouldn't talk so much shit on the internet because even the shittiest of shittiest lawyer would tell them to shut the fuck up.
Remember when Jason from AkioAir who threatened to sue everyone but didn't. ?
The serious one like Wactor just randomly pull a lawsuit out of nowhere. They don't speak about it.
What this CEO guy (and Jason) is doing is simply stroking his own ego. That's it. Noone really gives a fuck if he's gone or stay in the vtubing scene or who's really in the right or wrong 2 days from now.
Actually scratch that, most people don't even care who's right or wrong right now, no need 2 days. Literally who beefing with literally who.
Why are vtuber court bullshit always he-said-she-said contract fuckery dumb bullshit and finger pointing and not "vtuber alleged in disappearance of 12 supposed fans over a two year period"?
I just want a chuuba to turn out to be a honeypot serial killer for once. Retarded bullshit between a bunch of idiots with no idea how to run a media enterprise is fucking boring.
anyone serious about suing wouldn't talk so much shit on the internet because even the shittiest of shittiest lawyer would tell them to shut the fuck up.
This is the main point tbh, I couldn't tell you how many people decide that the best course of action for their lawsuit is to scream obscenities at the other person and taunt them.
Lawyers worldwide probably spend 10 million combined working hours a year simply telling their clients to stfu.
About the most recent NijiEN wave:
I think people are underestimating how much of a boost even the current diminished NijiEN audience can be to someone who is struggling to find any audience at all, which is most male indie VTubers.
Also, the male EN Livers, even those that didn't enjoy the spoils of the one or two years of NijiEN heyday, are doing relatively well for themselves and are some of the few channels that are growing and getting consistent numbers. Ryoma, the only guy to debut after the Selen shock, is still struggling a bit, but he's also not catering the same audience as the majority of NijiEN is.
The speculation about who, or even what "kind" of people, would join NijiEN also feels misguided after much of the pre-debut "drama" people peddled about Ryoma was proven to be completely false. So doing the same thing again with even less to go off feels weird.
As for "who", people are speculating that Ducky might be one of them, who apart from being a bit boring and full of himself doesn't strike me as offensively "problematic". Another thing announced at NijiFes was the 7th Anniversary Tour with, so far, seven stops throughout Japan. There will be more locations announced in the future, with some outside of Japan to make the "World Tour" title a bit more accurate.
Performers vary from location to location and, so far, they are all from JP.
May 10th, 2025 - Sendai - Uzuki Kou, Makaino Ririmu, Lize Helesta, Kagami Hayato, Yamagami Karuta, Furen E Lustario
June 22nd, 2025 - Nagoya - Ryushen, Hakase Fuyuki, Nagao Kei, Ponto Nei, Watarai Hibari, Koshimizu Toru
July 21st, 2025 - Yokohama - Elu, Kanae, Dola, Hanabatake Chaika, Yashiro Kizuku, Honma Himawari, Kuzuha
August 30th, 2025 - Kobe - Higuchi Kaede, Rindou Mikoto, Levi Elipha, Shellin Burgundy, Kaida Haru, Inami Rai
September 13th, 2025 - Fukuoka - Takamiya Rion, Yumeoi Kakeru, Hoshikawa Sara, Fuwa Minato, Oliver Evans, Kuramochi Meruto
October 18th, 2025 - Hiroshima - Joe Rikiichi, Suo Sango, Hyakumantenbara Salome, Seraph Dazzlegarden, Hoshirube Sho, Shioriha Ruri
January 18th, 2026 - Tokyo - Tsukino Mito, Ienaga Mugi, Kenmochi Touya, Fushimi Gaku, Yuhi Riri, Sasaki Saku, Shiina Yuika
The absence of any concerts between October and January makes me think that's where the international venues will fit in.
Seriously though, as hilarious as that would be, I doubt he'd go corpo as a chuuba ever again. Especially since he seems to be streaming fairly regularly and often (streams 6 times in a week). That's a content-grind schedule, not someone who's prepping to ditch the persona to jump to a new one with a corpo.
About the most recent NijiEN wave:
I think people are underestimating how much of a boost even the current diminished NijiEN audience can be to someone who is struggling to find any audience at all, which is most male indie VTubers.
Also, the male EN Livers, even those that didn't enjoy the spoils of the one or two years of NijiEN heyday, are doing relatively well for themselves and are some of the few channels that are growing and getting consistent numbers. Ryoma, the only guy to debut after the Selen shock, is still struggling a bit, but he's also not catering the same audience as the majority of NijiEN is.
The speculation about who, or even what "kind" of people, would join NijiEN also feels misguided after much of the pre-debut "drama" people peddled about Ryoma was proven to be completely false. So doing the same thing again with even less to go off feels weird.
As for "who", people are speculating that Ducky might be one of them, who apart from being a bit boring and full of himself doesn't strike me as offensively "problematic". Another thing announced at NijiFes was the 7th Anniversary Tour with, so far, seven stops throughout Japan. There will be more locations announced in the future, with some outside of Japan to make the "World Tour" title a bit more accurate.
Performers vary from location to location and, so far, they are all from JP.
May 10th, 2025 - Sendai - Uzuki Kou, Makaino Ririmu, Lize Helesta, Kagami Hayato, Yamagami Karuta, Furen E Lustario
June 22nd, 2025 - Nagoya - Ryushen, Hakase Fuyuki, Nagao Kei, Ponto Nei, Watarai Hibari, Koshimizu Toru
July 21st, 2025 - Yokohama - Elu, Kanae, Dola, Hanabatake Chaika, Yashiro Kizuku, Honma Himawari, Kuzuha
August 30th, 2025 - Kobe - Higuchi Kaede, Rindou Mikoto, Levi Elipha, Shellin Burgundy, Kaida Haru, Inami Rai
September 13th, 2025 - Fukuoka - Takamiya Rion, Yumeoi Kakeru, Hoshikawa Sara, Fuwa Minato, Oliver Evans, Kuramochi Meruto
October 18th, 2025 - Hiroshima - Joe Rikiichi, Suo Sango, Hyakumantenbara Salome, Seraph Dazzlegarden, Hoshirube Sho, Shioriha Ruri
January 18th, 2026 - Tokyo - Tsukino Mito, Ienaga Mugi, Kenmochi Touya, Fushimi Gaku, Yuhi Riri, Sasaki Saku, Shiina Yuika
The absence of any concerts between October and January makes me think that's where the international venues will fit in.
As for "who", people are speculating that Ducky might be one of them, who apart from being a bit boring and full of himself doesn't strike me as offensively "problematic".
About the most recent NijiEN wave:
I think people are underestimating how much of a boost even the current diminished NijiEN audience can be to someone who is struggling to find any audience at all, which is most male indie VTubers.
Also, the male EN Livers, even those that didn't enjoy the spoils of the one or two years of NijiEN heyday, are doing relatively well for themselves and are some of the few channels that are growing and getting consistent numbers. Ryoma, the only guy to debut after the Selen shock, is still struggling a bit, but he's also not catering the same audience as the majority of NijiEN is.
The speculation about who, or even what "kind" of people, would join NijiEN also feels misguided after much of the pre-debut "drama" people peddled about Ryoma was proven to be completely false. So doing the same thing again with even less to go off feels weird.
As for "who", people are speculating that Ducky might be one of them, who apart from being a bit boring and full of himself doesn't strike me as offensively "problematic". Another thing announced at NijiFes was the 7th Anniversary Tour with, so far, seven stops throughout Japan. There will be more locations announced in the future, with some outside of Japan to make the "World Tour" title a bit more accurate.
Performers vary from location to location and, so far, they are all from JP.
May 10th, 2025 - Sendai - Uzuki Kou, Makaino Ririmu, Lize Helesta, Kagami Hayato, Yamagami Karuta, Furen E Lustario
June 22nd, 2025 - Nagoya - Ryushen, Hakase Fuyuki, Nagao Kei, Ponto Nei, Watarai Hibari, Koshimizu Toru
July 21st, 2025 - Yokohama - Elu, Kanae, Dola, Hanabatake Chaika, Yashiro Kizuku, Honma Himawari, Kuzuha
August 30th, 2025 - Kobe - Higuchi Kaede, Rindou Mikoto, Levi Elipha, Shellin Burgundy, Kaida Haru, Inami Rai
September 13th, 2025 - Fukuoka - Takamiya Rion, Yumeoi Kakeru, Hoshikawa Sara, Fuwa Minato, Oliver Evans, Kuramochi Meruto
October 18th, 2025 - Hiroshima - Joe Rikiichi, Suo Sango, Hyakumantenbara Salome, Seraph Dazzlegarden, Hoshirube Sho, Shioriha Ruri
January 18th, 2026 - Tokyo - Tsukino Mito, Ienaga Mugi, Kenmochi Touya, Fushimi Gaku, Yuhi Riri, Sasaki Saku, Shiina Yuika
The absence of any concerts between October and January makes me think that's where the international venues will fit in.
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I just want a chuuba to turn out to be a honeypot serial killer for once. Retarded bullshit between a bunch of idiots with no idea how to run a media enterprise is fucking boring.
