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[Todd's Strongest Howard]

Reading a few posts and comments on Twitter that the the Pixel Link buyout offer for the model and social media accounts of $10K is too much. I'd like to see what everyone else thinks of this: is $10K for the model and all social media accounts a fair price, or too expensive?

My personal opinion is that it's a reasonable price, as long as the talents can reasonably afford it. No matter how reasonable Pixel Link is about linking to other accounts, it's better to keep the original account and not risk losing part of your audience changing to new accounts. A high-quality corpo vtuber model could easily be worth $5,000 or more, especially if it's by a well-known artist.

But what does everyone else think about the $10K buyout price?

I would return a set of questions of my own: How much does the character IP make me in a month of use? How much do I make from the streaming, channel income from superchats/memberships, how much merch do I sell as the identity? Sponsorship potential from companies associated with some facet of my content identity? What would my niche growth potentially be like if I'm not having to bend to a corporate overwatch? How much does a model of similar quality cost to purchase for a fresh start?

If I could realistically make the income to pay off a $10k buy-in inside of 3 months I'd take it. It's not like I'm immediately paying it off but I have enough cash flow that it's not bleeding me for a year, and if I've got that kind of an audience already with the potential to grow in a new direction after I'm separated from corporate control, could be worthwhile to take the shot instead of shedding numbers by ditching an identity that's already gained the traction it has. There are certainly always people that would follow me regardless of the model because they like the content I do, but it's undeniable that there's always some kind of loss from model-switching.

 

[Horo7618]

Honestly she should take her cat to the vet at this point, at best the cat could have the ribbon blocked in its digestive tracts, at worst one end could be stuck inside while the other peeks its tip out of the cat's rectum so trying to pull it out will result in… you know.

She did:

 

[God's Strongest Wardog]

She did:

I did not expect the Ribbon Saga to be this nerve-wracking.

 

[Unseiso Dragon]

She did:

I was retarded for not checking.
Hopefully it came out while she wasn't looking or something, jesus

 

[ValkyrieAce]

The little fucker probably batted it under a couch or something.

 

[The Peanut Gallery]

Kirsche came close to becoming Marimari

 

[Superduper Samurai]

Does it? Do Holo models cost that fucking much nowadays? I thought they were under 2k... Jesus christ is it just pure demand? Guess I was stuck in like 2021 or something.

Wtf

With those prices why does anyone become a fucking chuuba? You're just burning money for 0 gain.

Rigging still is niche and time consuming compared to the sudden explosive demand for it that the boom brought. Although there are still alot of people who underprice their work

I think when lurking the groomcord i spotted this random woman who seemingly did mid tier corpo grade work (in my opinion) for some 400 or 600 USD

 

[God's Saddest Tattletail]

Reading a few posts and comments on Twitter that the the Pixel Link buyout offer for the model and social media accounts of $10K is too much. I'd like to see what everyone else thinks of this: is $10K for the model and all social media accounts a fair price, or too expensive?

My personal opinion is that it's a reasonable price, as long as the talents can reasonably afford it. No matter how reasonable Pixel Link is about linking to other accounts, it's better to keep the original account and not risk losing part of your audience changing to new accounts. A high-quality corpo vtuber model could easily be worth $5,000 or more, especially if it's by a well-known artist.

But what does everyone else think about the $10K buyout price?

I'm really not sure about this one... obviously offering to sell the girls their IP is better than sending it to the void, but considering it's absolutely worthless without the pilot charging for it at all feels kind of bad. It's also highly dependent on the model itself... there are some really solid models in small corpos: obviously I was biased towards Kilia Kurayami's, but in PixelLink's case Lottie's model was excellent and will be a big loss, but Daiya's model never really appealed to me (I actually like notDaiya's significantly more). From this perspective it seems like the value of the IP is highly subjective, so as long as a corpo offers all of their talents their IP for the same price fuck you EIEN I think it's probably reasonable... as for the actual dollar amount $10k is probably fine for the Pixel girls, but I doubt it's a good "one size fits all" price.

 

[God's Strongest Wardog]

The little fucker probably batted it under a couch or something.

I was retarded for not checking.
Hopefully it came out while she wasn't looking or something, jesus

Catto took a $700 dump: No ribbon.
At this point, I'm thinking the little fucker is aware Naomi is worried and is just trolling her.

 

[Ｍｕｒｒａｙしないで]

But what does everyone else think about the $10K buyout price?

It's been talked about in the other thread a bit. In my opinion it's at or below market value for what the talents are getting flat out, and it's "fair" in a sense if everyone is paying the same price and there's no weird bullshit like what went on in the death throes of EIEN, but on the other hand, the value of that IP is $0 to a dead company, so I don't see the harm in at least halving the price so more of the talents can afford it. One poster pointed out that there may be some fiduciary duty bullshit to recoup money to pay back creditors or some shit, but even then three talents paying $10k doesn't get you as much money as seven or eight talents paying $5k. I don't know, maybe they've already run the numbers on their side and this is the best they can do to keep creditors happy, but still it leaves an unpleasant taste in my mouth.

With those prices why does anyone become a fucking chuuba? You're just burning money for 0 gain.

As others have said, $10k for a model is top-of-the-line pricing (and the PixelLink deal includes other elements too such as IP rights, social media accounts, etc).. There are various free and inexpensive pre-made models on Booth and the like, some of which have enough customizability that it's unlikely someone else will look like you even if they're using the same model. If you really want your own model, find relatively unknown artists in riggers in developing countries and you can get decent enough quality for a much lower price - if I recall correctly the rigging and art for my model was somewhere around $900 altogether, and while the end result is not mind-blowing, it does the job and I've been pretty happy with it. You can get into vtubing very inexpensively if you don't insist on starting out with top-of-the-line stuff.

 

[NeneLOVE]

It's been talked about in the other thread a bit. In my opinion it's at or below market value for what the talents are getting flat out, and it's "fair" in a sense if everyone is paying the same price and there's no weird bullshit like what went on in the death throes of EIEN, but on the other hand, the value of that IP is $0 to a dead company, so I don't see the harm in at least halving the price so more of the talents can afford it. One poster pointed out that there may be some fiduciary duty bullshit to recoup money to pay back creditors or some shit, but even then three talents paying $10k doesn't get you as much money as seven or eight talents paying $5k. I don't know, maybe they've already run the numbers on their side and this is the best they can do to keep creditors happy, but still it leaves an unpleasant taste in my mouth.



As others have said, $10k for a model is top-of-the-line pricing (and the PixelLink deal includes other elements too such as IP rights, social media accounts, etc).. There are various free and inexpensive pre-made models on Booth and the like, some of which have enough customizability that it's unlikely someone else will look like you even if they're using the same model. If you really want your own model, find relatively unknown artists in riggers in developing countries and you can get decent enough quality for a much lower price - if I recall correctly the rigging and art for my model was somewhere around $900 altogether, and while the end result is not mind-blowing, it does the job and I've been pretty happy with it. You can get into vtubing very inexpensively if you don't insist on starting out with top-of-the-line stuff.

YOUR MODEL WAS 900 BUCKS? WHAT THE SHIT?

 

[frz]

YOUR MODEL WAS 900 BUCKS? WHAT THE SHIT?

now imagine how expensive @Azehara's model must be, he has been working on it for years!!!

 

[Ｍｕｒｒａｙしないで]

YOUR MODEL WAS 900 BUCKS? WHAT THE SHIT?

I'll choose to believe you're in shock that I paid so little rather than so much, though that reaction could go either way, but it was something like that, yeah - I can dig through emails and find the actual amounts if you need it. That being said, this was two years ago when the scene was significantly smaller than it is now and I suspect my parents are both able to charge more now.

now imagine how expensive @Azehara's model must be, he has been working on it for years!!!

Aze's had the model for a while. He just doesn't use it. Everyone point and laugh at the vtweeter.

 

[Kazuma]

Here is an archive of Kronii's karaoke
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[NeneLOVE]

I'll choose to believe you're in shock that I paid so little rather than so much, though that reaction could go either way, but it was something like that, yeah - I can dig through emails and find the actual amounts if you need it. That being said, this was two years ago when the scene was significantly smaller than it is now and I suspect my parents are both able to charge more now.

Uhm... yeah! Definitely! I was definitely surprised at how little it cost!

Aze's had the model for a while. He just doesn't use it. Everyone point and laugh at the vtweeter.

Worse, he's a vtweeter coomer.

 

[Lurker McSpic]

If anyone gets their mental health bent out of shape by discord, they are weak and probably shouldn't be in entertainment.

bitch had a melty when people were giving her shit for being a fed. IIRC she's half black and she didn't inherit any of lashondra's or daquan's genes that make her go "you ain't shit" she's just like wet toilet paper. It dissolves at the drop of a hat.

But what does everyone else think about the $10K buyout price?

By the current standard a model from an artist worth a shit must be going for 7k+ and you need to add the lawyer costs for the ip transfer along with the cost of the logos and other materials that were paid for as part of the IP. If anything I think a 10k buyout is reasonable even if we're not sure they're asking that. Anything above 15k is just jewish bullshit, at that point just make your own IP.

 

[Euthyphro]

Reading a few posts and comments on Twitter that the the Pixel Link buyout offer for the model and social media accounts of $10K is too much. I'd like to see what everyone else thinks of this: is $10K for the model and all social media accounts a fair price, or too expensive?

My personal opinion is that it's a reasonable price, as long as the talents can reasonably afford it. No matter how reasonable Pixel Link is about linking to other accounts, it's better to keep the original account and not risk losing part of your audience changing to new accounts. A high-quality corpo vtuber model could easily be worth $5,000 or more, especially if it's by a well-known artist.

But what does everyone else think about the $10K buyout price?

Posted in the other thread, but in any case, it doesn't seem like the IP is being held hostage - Raki will be keeping the IP in any case:

I'm not in the fancord so I can't check for sure.

In Pixel's case a key circumstance here is that the corpo is closing because of the CEO's health problems, and it caught nearly everyone by surprise when they sat everyone down in December. It's quite possible that part of that $10K price tag is going into medical bills.

Still, it doesn't seem to be a purely money thing either with respect to the IPs:

Reid is a project manager in Pixel, so whatever it is, I don't think it's purely financial considerations at play here.

 

[closedblas]

Virtual Artist Fes "VRide" Vol. 16 is live now.
This is a (bi)monthly live show produced/hosted by enogu. Think of it as a live singing relay, ~5-6 hours, mostly 2-3 view vsinger/utawaku types.
Kaminari Clara actually performed in Vol. 9 of it last year.
I quite like the livecam audience POV. The crowd is half the experience.

The performers here auditioned for it and had a little public voting thing last December.
The previous concerts were just through application.

 

[Aquatic Novellite]

Unironically still more respectable than Mana.

Unfortunately not.

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Just as a note my Korean language skills are not great. I only know what I know from family and some studies I have started recently. Because of this I may be a bit slower to respond to Korean comments as it takes me time to translate and formulate my response. However, it is great practise for me - even if the comments are not so nice - so I will continue to do my best to respond to everyone as I have been doing in the past. However, if I feel a bit overwhelmed it may take a few days to get a response. My apologies to our Korean language friends.

Parents were apparently Korean, but she lives as western as can be, just like Mana.

What you thought was a starving Best Korean propaganda outlet easily groomable with a burger and some fries is actually just your average western college girl easily groomable by quoting Marx and Engels.

 

[RestlessRain]

It's been talked about in the other thread a bit. In my opinion it's at or below market value for what the talents are getting flat out, and it's "fair" in a sense if everyone is paying the same price and there's no weird bullshit like what went on in the death throes of EIEN, but on the other hand, the value of that IP is $0 to a dead company, so I don't see the harm in at least halving the price so more of the talents can afford it. One poster pointed out that there may be some fiduciary duty bullshit to recoup money to pay back creditors or some shit, but even then three talents paying $10k doesn't get you as much money as seven or eight talents paying $5k. I don't know, maybe they've already run the numbers on their side and this is the best they can do to keep creditors happy, but still it leaves an unpleasant taste in my mouth.

There's also the fact that the CEO is so ill he needs to retire. He may need that money for hospital bills, bills he'll stack up for not being able to work, or to bequeath to relatives/friends if said illness is terminal. Seems pretty reasonable to want to have money on hand for any of those reasons.