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El Rrata

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Rushia leaking about the other talents doesn't imply anything other than her being particularly stupid and loose-lipped. She's not even the only Holo talent to have been booted for leaking, and for all the speculation about how bad it might have been, Rushia was still looked on fondly for the most part in the wake of her graduation.
Just because she had a very public mental breakdown afterwards - clearly spurred in large part by how hard she fumbled her dream job at Cover based on her ravings and fixation on it - and we know she's crazy now doesn't mean it was always the case and retroactively the justification.
Idk what to tell you man. She was caught leaking other talents' shit to dramatubers. Eliminating any possible risk of shit making it to her by accident makes complete sense to me.
 

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Bruh, they launching Paaworld on Switch right about now. I'd imagine lawsuit is de-facto already settled.
It was likely settled already. The game remove the ball throwing animation and now just summons pals by sticking their hand out a few months ago.
 

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Idk what to tell you man. She was caught leaking other talents' shit to dramatubers. Eliminating any possible risk of shit making it to her by accident makes complete sense to me.
Yeah? That's what I said. :loading:
The rrat that Kanata was forced to move house was spawned because now Kson was closely associated with a leaker and couldn't be trusted with idle talk, where it was fine before with Kson as an indie.
 

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Idk what to tell you man. She was caught leaking other talents' shit to dramatubers. Eliminating any possible risk of shit making it to her by accident makes complete sense to me.
Do we hate Holo so much now that we are opening this case again to make miguel the victim? :SelenHAHAhere:
Right back at ya.
Sarcasm really doesn't do well on the internet I guess.
You are gay
 

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Tired Doki finishing God of War and there's an announcement
 

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Yeah? That's what I said. :loading:
So what are you arguing then? My point was Kanata was correct to move out and that it wasn't in hindsight but what they knew at the time. If your point was that nothing was wrong with Mikeneko before she was fired, my only rebuttle is that people who don't have issues don't gossip to dramatubers about their coworkers over imaginary bullying scenarios they came up with because they sometimes have streams that overlap.
 

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Rushia leaking about the other talents doesn't imply anything other than her being particularly stupid and loose-lipped. She's not even the only Holo talent to have been booted for leaking, and for all the speculation about how bad it might have been, Rushia was still looked on fondly for the most part in the immediate wake of her graduation.
Just because she had a very public mental breakdown afterwards - clearly spurred in large part by how hard she fumbled her dream job at Cover based on her ravings and fixation on it - and we know she's crazy now doesn't mean it was always the case and retroactively the justification.
Yeah because we all know people on perfect mental health state write anti threads about their husband and write schizo posts about the private life of their coworkers to randoms on Japanese forums
With the revelation that the past SNS conversation leaked back in 2022 is real, some people started digging, and talking with some friends, we caught attention of another piece of data, and it is alledged that it was Aqua that leaked Rushia's private fandead sessions [to Cover], source being 5ch at the time:

With MafuMafu revelations of Rushia's ID, it was discovered that the threads badmouthing him was her all along:
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Now, why is this interesting? Because of this particular post made by the same account:
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Here we have the initials of the alledged talents and their marital situation as of july 2022. Some are hard to determine because of the sheer volume of talents, but a simple translation, reorganizing to alphabetical order, would be:
A: Engaged.​
C: Sex friend from a mixer (group dating).​
L: Has a boyfriend.​
L: Married.​
M: Has a boyfriend.​
M: Married.​
M: Married but cheating on their spouse with Holostars.​
N: Have a boyfriend but is looking for another.​
R: Living together [with their boyfriend].​
S: Has a boyfriend, and said boyfriend wants to break up, apparently.​
T: Looking for a boyfriend.​
W: Engaged and living together.​

And here is the list of the possible talents:
A: Azki, Aki, Aqua, Ayame​
C: Choco, Chloe​
L: Lamy, Laplus, Lui​
M: Miko, Mel, Matsuri, Mio, Marine​
N: Noel, Nene​
R: Roboco​
S: Sora, Suisei, Subaru, Shion​
T: Towa​
W: Watame​


As an extra from a bit later 2023: it was rrated out that Aqua was living together with a boyfriend or even engaged, and not many people gave it attention, but when both Aqua and Amatsuki (famous utaite) posted that they lost internet access and returned at the same time, it took force.
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So what do we get here:
1. This could be completely made up, as the source is Michael Cat, and she isn't short of making stuff up for her own benefits, but some information here checks with what we know now, in the present.
2. Robocco and Watame are singled out by their initials, so if they still have unicorns, tough luck. Same for Towa but she was single at the time, only time will tell (I think there was a current rrat of a musician boyfriend but my memory is failing me).
3. The last post was pushing for the narrative that Aqua was engaged/married, but now we know that Azki is married, so it loses traction if that was the intent. You also have Aki and Ayame to consider.
4. Choco had a sex friend she met at a mixer? Not strange of her considering her chatting streams' stories, anyone would kneel for a hit, but I think she could do much better.
5. Interesting women will always have handpicked partners, such is the painful reality of life, we ought to do better.

My personal thoughts:
Cheating on your husband with a Holostar is such a huge event that I don't understand how that never leaked. I cannot guess, but from past evidence you could surmise that Matsuri was married at some point, slobbered over Astel and now ended single and addicted to host bars - I'm pushing a bit, but I cannot fathom Mio or Miko betraying someone like that;
Between Nene and Noel I'd say Nene has/had a boyfriend, Noel has been dickless-crazy for years from her FC vods, evidently she doesn't have anyone to calm her urges.

Sorry for the discord screenshots, as this was a write-up from a japanese source and I don't speak a spec of it while they also only speak in broken english, much less my language. If other people can confirm, debunk or reveal it's old information, please hit us up.
Thank you for your attention. :baeJam:
She clearly only started going crazy in the following years after her termination YEP
 

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Nux has reached out to YouTube on Idol's behalf. It's gonna be so funny if his contact tells him in completely unambiguous terms that they were actually botting, because he's an unapologetic dramafag who will run his mouth if this backfires.
 

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Blog: I went to the Vesperbell 2nd one-man live - RUMBLING, at Shibuya's Spotify O-EAST.

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Lots of people with merch, jackets, scarves. Saw 2 cosplayers. A few people with hair dyed to seaborn Vesperbell colors which is cute.
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Dunno who the first bouquet on the left is from, next is Elements Garden (composer cabal), Warner Music Japan, and what looks like Vesperbell and KMNZ members.
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Tickets were JPY 7700 (10% fee) - USD 48.94 purchased Dec 30, 2024 via ib.eplus.jp.
There is also a JPY 600 drink fee at the door - this exists for basically every livehouse type concert in Tokyo, this is basically izakaya-level drink pricing so you're not getting gouged.
Eplus used to be JP-exclusive (you gotta get a jp phone #) but now there's a foreign site. It still needs to get some kinks worked out. I stopped by the venue a few hours before the concert to exchange my QR code for a physical ticket and it still took them ~20 minutes to get it done.

This was Vesperbell-only. There's a 2-day ticket that includes KMNZ's one-man live on 1/15 but I wasn't interested.
I've been between Japan/Taiwan/China the past ~40 days and the only times I was free to see a concert were the times the Japs go on vacation as well.

Venue is okay. Floor + balcony seating for special guests only. I snuck up to the balcony later in the show because I've been on my feet all day.
I also should've used a locker for my sweater+jacket - got way too hot for the mosh pit.
Ticket category and purchase order decides entry order. The tickets say doors open at 6:30 and show starts at 7:30 - since I'm in D I should've just came at 7:15.

The good:
1. Great crowd energy
2. They sound good despite retard livehouse audio engineering (i.e. way too fucking loud).
3. The colors on them look much better live than on Youtube. The stream looks like it's footage of the screen and not the feed.
4. Fantastic set, including a great medley arrangement of their Revolution album, and the KMNZ guest song. Performed most of their original song repertoire.

The bad:
1. You can't actually see any of the 3D/AR close-ups live - it's just a close-up of their faces.
2. Might be a motion capture limitation, but they're way too limited in how far they can move on the stage. Take a look at Kasuka's collab live with Matsunaga Iori (of Riot/Brave) from 2 damn years ago and she was moving around much more then.
3. From my photo, you can see that the screen they're projected onto is recessed pretty far from the stage. Then their models is about half the size of the screen.
This results in them simply being quite small. I started pretty close to the front and even there they aren't big enough to clearly see model details.
4. Uh...idk what Reality is doing with models. It grows on you after staring at it for an hour, but why tho. The design can work but the implementation is atrocious.
5. I'm a boomer and can't handle how loud it is. Should've brought earplugs to get a filter.
6. Could've been a longer set. I would've liked to hear some covers too, but I'm guessing there might be licensing issues.

I'm surprised this is only their 2nd one-man live (whatever that means) considering they've been bangin' for 4+ years now and always do anniversary lives.
At the end, they announced their 3rd one-man live for June 2025 (should be the 5th anniversary).

Conclusion: some parts of this felt like they cheaped out on the girls' modeling. I still had a good time and I think it's worthwhile to experience once.
~8000 JPY feels a little steep to me. Maybe I'm a bit biased against vtubers but all their concerts feel a little more expensive than they should be given that they're selling VODs via ZAN etc.

I also went to 2 free idol concerts this week, including one a few hours before Vesperbell. These are (obviously) underground-ish acts with a much smaller venue and crowd. But the crazy idol fans are a lot more fun to people-watch.

I'm sitting in the back with a bunch of older folk who I suspect are parents, because they dgaf and just pull out a phone to record their oshi/child at 4x zoom.
 

Zizara

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So what are you arguing then? My point was Kanata was correct to move out and that it wasn't in hindsight but what they knew at the time. If your point was that nothing was wrong with Mikeneko before she was fired, my only rebuttle is that people who don't have issues don't gossip to dramatubers about their coworkers over imaginary bullying scenarios they came up with because they sometimes have streams that overlap.
I'm being autistic about timelines and sequence of events, basically, not defending Rushia.
 

Negzana

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Rushia leaking about the other talents doesn't imply anything other than her being particularly stupid and loose-lipped. She's not even the only Holo talent to have been booted for leaking, and for all the speculation about how bad it might have been, Rushia was still looked on fondly for the most part in the immediate wake of her graduation.
Just because she had a very public mental breakdown afterwards - clearly spurred in large part by how hard she fumbled her dream job at Cover based on her ravings and fixation on it - and we know she's crazy now doesn't mean it was always the case and retroactively the justification.
Even in the immediate aftermath of her termination there was the leaks of her sending personalized messages to her biggest paypigs and rrats and claims that she wanted Holo to crash and burn with her. The most charitable interpretation given to her is that she was extremely menhera and killed the golden goose in her paranoia. Her termination was always seen as a result of her character.

Thinking about it though, I think that unless more shit pops up the worst of Miguel's menhera is past us as the court case is over and she seems to have been more self aware and ironic about her mental illness, making memes and jokes out of it. She seems to finally be going through a more stable moment in her life(?)
 
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Doki Announcement: She was added as an ingame cosmetic for the Synduality: Echo of Ada game from Bandai.
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She will be showcasing the launch of the game and multistreaming on the 24th. She will be giving out a code during the stream to get the "Dokibird shirt" cosmetic.
 

El Rrata

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I'm being autistic about timelines and sequence of events, basically, not defending Rushia.
There is no way we can know exactly all that they knew at the time, but it was certainly more than what we know, even now. That said, everything I have talked about was known by the time Nazuna was announced, at the least.
 

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Tired Doki finishing God of War and there's an announcement

Doki dealing with some high school mean girls drama again with the other streamers in the upcoming Twitch Rivals according to pre stream chat. All because of her team makeup, she brought in good players who aren't streamers or big streamers who helped her rank.

They're spreading rumors and trying to get her disqualified.
Staff has told her she will not be but it has caused her obvious distress.
Here is the current revealed lineup of rivals team, not all players revealed

Taken from the bot in her discord.
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Excuse the other chatters being in the screenshot, bit of a rush job.
Transcripted out
Dokibird: Okay I’m actually so mad, I’m being told that other streamers are purposely targeting my rivals team and apparently some teams are trying to get me DQed
Dokibird: Even tho there are teams that are also extremely try hard and unfair
Dokibird: They were trying to get me DQed the day of so I couldn’t participate and find people in time on Saturday
Dokibird: But if you look at the official list, there’s teams that are 4 pros or pure ow players
Dokibird: Just talked with twitch staff since I was rly mad about this
Dokibird: and they said my team is okay and other teams were spreading false rumors
Dokibird: It’s just so dumb just because i followed the rules and maximized my team towards hoping to make it to the finals. My two gold-plat players don’t even play that game often or have ow background
Dokibird: Other teams grabbed pros from ow or apex to be their plat player
Dokibird: At best, I grabbed someone that used to be in the t2 scene for female competitive valorant but she has never played rivals or ow before
Dokibird: I’m sad Bcus now I have a bad reputation amongst the big twitch streamers Bcus they were the ones that complained about me and my team
Dokibird: But I saw other teams that were min maxed out even harder than my team
Dokibird: Just feels lose lose, if I win the tournament, people will just say my team was cheating and if I lose, ppl will make fun of my team for losing even tho it was considered “op”
Dokibird: I even double checked with staff before confirming my team and they said it was ok so it just sucks if people force me to swap my teammates
 
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Nux has reached out to YouTube on Idol's behalf. It's gonna be so funny if his contact tells him in completely unambiguous terms that they were actually botting, because he's an unapologetic dramafag who will run his mouth if this backfires.

Yeah if the guy tells Nux that brave botted we'll definitely hear about it
 

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Doki dealing with some high school mean girls drama again with the other streamers in the upcoming Twitch Rivals according to pre stream chat. All because of her team makeup, she brought in good players who aren't streamers or big streamers who helped her rank.
Taken from the bot in her discord.
They're spreading rumors and trying to get her disqualified.
Staff has told her she will not be but it has caused her obvious distress.
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Excuse the other chatters being in the screenshot, bit of a rush job.
Here is the current revealed lineup of rivals team, not all players revealed
Hoes mad because Doki actually followed the rules while they're worried about getting shitstomped hard. Meanwhile there's like 3-4 other teams doing the same as her, which is why she's only aiming for top 4.
 

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This Mike Loop was all part of my plan to shill her new original song HAHA
i am so smart (unlike my oshi)
 
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