General Thread v2: Enhanced Segregation Techniques!

[Negzana]

Really hoping this doesn't end up being Hololive's version of the Nijisanji downfall.

Ninisanji EN went to shit because black company corpo culture merged with bad management

All Cover has to do is not try to westernize, they do fine as they are now.

 

[Horo7618]

All Cover has to do is not try to westernize, they do fine as they are now.

No, they've dipped a toe back into the CN market, they're doomed. DOOMED!

 

[Negzana]

No, they've dipped a toe back into the CN market, they're doomed. DOOMED!

We need someone to talk sense into management. How do I contact Ayame?

 

[Shuba]

Also Wamy alt account is baiting for followers by shooting some "rewards" (aka more cosplay photos with matsuri style view) the more followers she get...time to fire the rrats?

I got the JUICIEST rrat right here:

Spoiler

Now bear with me for a second. What if she's just... being a woman? A regular woman that likes fashion and attention? You'd think that's impossible, especially because she's a vtuber. But there's evidence to the contrary directly from Lamy's own mouth:

She herself says she's not a vtuber

But really, the majority of her posts on that account are about clothes, makeup or random shit like how much she loves Forky from Toy Story. Seems like she's just interested in showing off and talking about fashion. She might be gauging interest and thinking of starting a fashion youtube channel like what Choco's roommate is doing.

Since we're talking about rrating anyways, I also think she might be trying to boost her body image confidence. The last time she posted photos of herself before this week was in November, before her health seriously deteriorated. During her sick period, her mental was at its lowest, she lost a ton of weight and said she looked terrible. Now that she's healthy, she might be doing this as a way to bounce back and feel better about herself.

Either way, Wamy good. Wamy love

 

[Superduper Samurai]

Really hoping this doesn't end up being Hololive's version of the Nijisanji downfall.

Nijisanji had months to a year of minor and major scandals, favoritism and mismanagement
If some tacky globohomo art is enough to doom over Holo and compare it to Niji then some people really need to lay off the doomerism autism, its almost as annoying as fanboy faggotry

Especially when they had apperances at an MLB game and so far another succesful generation in a saturated market, for the 2nd year in a row, Niji has arguably been struggling to get a gen off ever since Zaion went full retard

 

[Awoogers]

I got the JUICIEST rrat right here:

Spoiler

Now bear with me for a second. What if she's just... being a woman? A regular woman that likes fashion and attention? You'd think that's impossible, especially because she's a vtuber. But there's evidence to the contrary directly from Lamy's own mouth:

She herself says she's not a vtuber View attachment 73449

But really, the majority of her posts on that account are about clothes, makeup or random shit like how much she loves Forky from Toy Story. Seems like she's just interested in showing off and talking about fashion. She might be gauging interest and thinking of starting a fashion youtube channel like what Choco's roommate is doing.

Since we're talking about rrating anyways, I also think she might be trying to boost her body image confidence. The last time she posted photos of herself before this week was in November, before her health seriously deteriorated. During her sick period, her mental was at its lowest, she lost a ton of weight and said she looked terrible. Now that she's healthy, she might be doing this as a way to bounce back and feel better about herself.

Either way, Wamy good. Wamy love

this is what i was thinking as well

its fairly common for women to post stuff like that to feel better about themselves you literally see hundreds on the jp side of twitter and somehow facebook

its a nothing burger overall wamy is wamy and being wamy is good

 

[Limkin]

she lost a ton of weight

someone should explain to Lamy that a girl being compact and portable is not bad at all

 

[USS IOWA]

https://files.catbox.moe/ssu5n2.mp4

Jurard kicks the hornet nest again, Great. This is from his Membership streams and the unicorns are goimg wild, Some even threatening to mass report him to Cover.

 

[frz]

In fact, BIlibili bears the result of it.

These figures represent BIlibili's net losses over the years（Exchange rate: 1 RMB=0.13 USD）
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BIlibili has never made a profit in the five years since it went public, and its net loss has increased each year rather than shrinking，This year BIlibili has had to rely on massive layoffs to maintain its numbers.

Of course, Hololive is not the main cause of all this, but it also bears witness to how BIlibili lost its appeal
The biggest impact of the Hololive incident was not that Hololive lost the Chinese mainland market, because even at the peak of Hololive's popularity in BIlibili, the cn region accounted for only 1/40 of its revenue.
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The Hololive incident has completely split the Chinese and foreign language anime fan communities, People saw the irresponsibility of BIlibili and the mob acting under the national umbrella。The same thing happened many times in just a few years，as a young content platform, it has lost its most competitive ability to follow fashion.
Eventually core fans and creators fled the platform, It became a garbage platform for everyone to be disappointed

I do think there is a lot going on here that hololive is getting over contributed for.
1. Video play/streaming services itself are usually unprofitable. At least youtube was in 2014, reportedly they were barely making even in 2014 with a 4 billion dollars in revenue
Susan's effort at neutering the site works however. She joined youtube when they were making 3.1 billion a year, and left in 2023 as the plaform made 29 billion dollars in revenue. You will never see another filthy frank, but that direction bloomed youtube income
- Twitch is unprofitable. Never had been.
- you usually want to branch out using other industry/services to make money.
2. "foreign language anime fan community"
I can assure you this has way less impact than you think because foreigners can't pay bilibili money or ever looked into doing it. Regardless of anime or not. The UI is too confusing to use, mainly in chinese and bilibili made 0 effort to globalize.
3. Bilibili has the right idea of acquiring anime streaming rights but utterly failed at preventing piracy. Heck the platform itself is a host for piracy. Their viewers dont even need to go to other sites to find their licensed anime for free. Lulw.
4. The platform built itself upon piracy and fake viewer numbers. That kinda model only works if you are working with shady/illegal sponsorship like gambling.
At the very least they needed to show actual viewership than "impressions" to attract advertisements.
5. Vtubing is very very small in the internet world.
Tl;dr bilibili does make money because they are shady and incompetent. I would love to credit hololive for it but their impact isn't as big as you think.

Ninisanji EN went to shit because black company corpo culture merged with bad management

All Cover has to do is not try to westernize, they do fine as they are now.

Care to explain why you think westernizing is bad? What killed nijiEN was sticking to Japanese corporate values and force it onto a western expansion.

Cover corp itself is already very westernized in my opinion, at least in their working attitude, employment and most of all yagoo's mindset. Kaigai makes for a big portion of cover corp workforce.

 

[Salado]

2 years of this deranged tiger.

 

[Koronesuki]

Honestly watching this feels like watching some kind of puppet theater, acting like "LE NORMIES" are gonna enter vtubing because of the dodgers collab when every single thing they discuss has already happened to vtubing and imo is fucking rampant, the time to gatekeep is long fucking gone dude, that ship sailed in 2021 LOL.

Also the implied claim that seeing vtubers as "just streamers" is somehow some new thing and that before that it was all idolshit, honestly goes to show how much these guys know about vtubing pre-2020. For those not in the know, the first agency to really push for idol activities WAS Holo, and as we were told recently by (someone I don't remember who it was) the idol direction was only cemented after 1st fes THAT IS FUCKING 2020 my guy, vtubing was 4 years old by that point. The first vtubers were regular youtubers with avatars, they did skits and played games in short form videos, Nijisanji pioneered streaming in 2018 bro and they were regular streamers with avatars, wtf are these guys on?

...Unless they mean disregarding the model entirely and going fleshie to please the coomers, then yeah that was probably invented fairly recently by twitch.

6/10 I thought it would be worse, waiting for the mask off moment.

Thank you for your sacrifice. Did they offer any suggestions for how we can keep grifting tourists such as themselves away from vtubing? That would be useful to know.

Bijou, tiny indie

The only reason that Biboo wasn't a complete nobody before she joined Hololive is because the first time she applied (as a complete nobody) she was told that she needed experience as a content creator, so she became an indie vtuber specifically to get experience so she would get accepted when she applied again, which she did.

I think Kson has. She's still openly friends with some Holos, friends with all the OGs, is in her favorite game and is friends with all the girls she was competing against. The JP scene is hard and only Niji's Aoi has a similar amount of popularity. Surprise, Aoi is also an Apex addict!

As far as EN: Sana isn't interested, Magni is an idiot and Vesper actively sabotages his growth so yea, Nijis are killing it comparatively.

Aloe isn't interested, Rushia is extra-strength menhera, and it's probably still to early to tell with Mel.

 

[Hotdogs Aplenty]

How does Proctor manage to post bad vtweeter takes both here and on Twitter?

 

[Limkin]

https://files.catbox.moe/ssu5n2.mp4

Jurard kicks the hornet nest again, Great. This is from his Membership streams and the unicorns are goimg wild, Some even threatening to mass report him to Cover.

This was way gayer than I expected. If you have to start something with saying "please don't talk about it outside of the stream" then don't fucking talk about it. You don't even have to be a unicorn to dislike male vtubers on principle, let alone them trying to interact with female. There are maybe exceptions in single digits to the rule, but overwhelmingly they are all as terrible compared to female vtubers, as female fleshstreamers are to male. And there is a non-insignificant portion of fans who don't like collabs in general, regardless with whom. If they get to you enough that you have to vent about it on a membership stream - they won. They know they bother you, they will only get worse

 

[Tyrvalla]

https://files.catbox.moe/ssu5n2.mp4

Jurard kicks the hornet nest again, Great. This is from his Membership streams and the unicorns are goimg wild, Some even threatening to mass report him to Cover.

can you give the tl;dw?

 

[Sankisei]

https://files.catbox.moe/ssu5n2.mp4

Jurard kicks the hornet nest again, Great. This is from his Membership streams and the unicorns are goimg wild, Some even threatening to mass report him to Cover.

Why do they want to report him?
Not the first Holostars to talk about this

 

[Dawifet]

Can Noel atleast get the bigger titty ones to do it too
No flatties allowed

You've got some hella standards if you consider Matsuri and Lamy as flatties.

 

[Superduper Samurai]

You've got some hella standards if you consider Matsuri and Lamy as flatties.

Ive actually never cared to look i was just shitposting

 

[niggaphil]

You've got some hella standards if you consider Matsuri and Lamy as flatties.

Matsuri is FAT

Edit: This is the recent clip where she talked about her body fat > 30%. I can't find english clipper to clip and translate it.

 

[RiverBear]

can you give the tl;dw?

Jurard said Happy Birthday to Gura. And people rightfully deduced (he confirmed it in the video) that they are fucking every night. And that you are a simp for still watching Gura.

 

[The Proctor]

All Cover has to do is not try to westernize, they do fine as they are now.

They can start by not putting out anymore hideous western goyslop art.