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A Career Burnt to Sinders

shipmate

menhera addicted sister
Pipproject Producer
Joined:  Jun 21, 2023
Let me just say...
:Zaion-HAHAFAYAH:

Sinder lost 31k subs in Youtube and 34k in Twitch after the google dockey.
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Suffice to say, this whore is done in the vtubing space. Now we wait if she'll try to expose the whore patrol because we all know Sinder's a vindictive narcissist.
:robertudrink::robertudrink::robertudrink:
While this is a significant hit, it's not as bad as Elira, Ike and Vox after SelenGate, at least proportionately. I expected her to have lost at least 30% of her subs, but those might be dead subs as well.
Wouldn't a better metric be comparing her CCV's before and after the drama
Yes but she won't stream for at least 3 months. :gurakek:
 

Phantasm

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Joined:  Nov 28, 2022
While this is a significant hit, it's not as bad as Elira, Ike and Vox after SelenGate, at least proportionately. I expected her to have lost at least 30% of her subs, but those might be dead subs as well.
Wouldn't a better metric be comparing her CCV's before and after the drama
 

Mantine

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Wouldn't a better metric be comparing her CCV's before and after the drama
It typically is a better indicator. However, she stopped streaming as soon as the drama nuke happened, so using subs / follows is probably the best we've got for now.
Given that she royally fucked up, I'm certain that only her loyal simps will remain and her CCV will never increase back to what they were.
 

Ginkgo Balboa 🌾🗡

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Joined:  Mar 20, 2023
I do wonder how many people bought plushies of Sinder just to burn them and post the pics on Xwitter... :koronehappyl:
 

ZerroDefex

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I do wonder how many people bought plushies of Sinder just to burn them and post the pics on Xwitter... :koronehappyl:
"We gave her money and burned the goods we received. We sure showed her!"
 

bothyourhouses

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Joined:  Sep 28, 2022
I do wonder how many people bought plushies of Sinder just to burn them and post the pics on Xwitter... :koronehappyl:
You're saying I can get vtuber merch delivered in about 2 weeks and all I'd have to do is make an evil pariah my oshi?
 

Jakko break shit

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Doing nothing with Clara will hopefully work.
I thought you people wanted to leave politics out of everything, yet here you are picking on vtubers for their political views that they don't even bring to their persona
 

Phantasm

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I thought you people wanted to leave politics out of everything, yet here you are picking on vtubers for their political views that they don't even bring to their persona
I mean it's not like we're trying to cancel her we just like making fun of her stupid Instagram posts where she sometimes (very) possibly talks shit about her co-workers
 

God's Strongest Dragoon

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I thought you people wanted to leave politics out of everything, yet here you are picking on vtubers for their political views that they don't even bring to their persona
No one is actively trying to fuck with her, we're just observing and laughing at her stupidity. The whole reason why her retarded posts went from being random posts in the Phase thread to getting a dedicated thread is because she made a comment that could be very easily perceived as her shitting on other members of Phase due to the nature of her comment and the timing of it. Jelly was one of the girls she potentially referenced and Jelly has shown behavior that could be perceived as avoiding Clara, so no, Clara may be bringing her political shit into Phase behind the scenes.
 
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Additionally, I don't care about her politics per se, I'm concerned about her as a person - all the signs of the type who will bring down all those around her.
 

httn

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Joined:  Dec 27, 2022
I thought you people wanted to leave politics out of everything, yet here you are picking on vtubers for their political views that they don't even bring to their persona
They have Clara derangement syndrome, please be understanding to our resident schizophrenics.
 

UberSoldat

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I thought you people wanted to leave politics out of everything, yet here you are picking on vtubers for their political views that they don't even bring to their persona
She kinda has, multiple times now?
 

Dr. Welshman

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Joined:  Jun 18, 2024
This whole situation has been one big WOMAN moment from start to finish tbh.

Red and Sinder believed they were too slick, and failed to do their due diligence in recording EVERYTHING in the event a situation like this would happen. I'm in agreement that Nano got off way too fucking lightly, but with how Lilly essentially orchestrated this hit piece, no doubt Nano balls are being firmly grasped by Lilly who will threaten to squeeze if Nano doesn't pay back.
Now, as others have said, the whole thing with the whore clique should have been handled behind the scenes, yeah, a friend turned out to be really shitty, boo hoo. But the SilverVale issue is the one that is by far the most damaging to Sinder, and is probably where almost everyone agrees with that she is fucked professionally because of it.
Honestly? Sinder might be able to salvage some of her career, but she will be constantly sniped by people dangling this over her. She's forever to be like Froot at this point with being untrustworthy whore types who were caught in 4K cheating on their partners.
Still, watch this space I suppose for the crash out? Idk.
 

Superduper Samurai

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She's forever to be like Froot at this point with being untrustworthy whore types who were caught in 4K cheating on their partners.
She cant be compared to Froot, until someone wants to snake her out for some reason, which is highly unlikely, the prevailing narrative that emerged is that she dindu nutthin and that her ex was a meanie bastard, she didnt become a Pariah and was actually asspatted by pretty much everyone in the wider scene

Ironically and very funny enough, the only person that called the cheating bad was Kson in her retarded larger than life posting style, but she had to walk that back due to management, i believe
 

shipmate

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Joined:  Jun 21, 2023
Did anyone post this yet?

Novel Horizons is offering exceptional refunds in the form of gift-cards in their store for the Sinder figurine

[a][a]
We have received many requests for this project asking for pre-order cancelations.

Under normal circumstances, most of these requests would be outside of our cancelation period/cooldown period, but given the gravity of the situation presented, we've lifted the time-limitation to an extent.
Meaning, while we can't refund certain orders due to the afterpay/Paypal limitations on their end (Something we cannot control in any way), we are offering customers a fully functional, non-expiring Gift Card for the Horizon's Merch Store(https://horizonsmerch.com/) instead.

For those unfamiliar with this store, this is where our non-preorder items end up. Such as small merchandise and excess figure stock during our super sales!
The Gift card provided will equal the amount of the order and the original order will be canceled upon accepting it.
Other alternatives outside of the Gift Card including transferring the order over to another project. Although, this option requires further discussions since it is not something our system natively supports.
For full cash-back refunds, who are not interested in alternative options, refunds will be looked into on a case-by-case basis with no guarantee. Since, unfortunately, most of our refund policy comes from the payment processors limitations/terms more-so than our own.

Finally, our customer service for the time being will be drastically slowed down due to the inquiry amount which crashed our system twice over the course of the "event". So, we appreciate everyone's patience as we work our way through this.
We currently do not have a defined amount of time of expected wait for customer support inquiries to be responded too.
She already had a succesful campaign before, Summertime Sinder (2024) at $150 and what I take from this is that they're refunding the more expensive one, Demon Sinder, $250~ per unit:
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So, I take from this that her newest figure got refund-bombed and considering the timeframe way past the pre-order period as it's to be delivered february 2026, production must've started and they're losing a lot of money on this as they'll have dead stock coming in.
 

ZerroDefex

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I mean it's not like we're trying to cancel her we just like making fun of her stupid Instagram posts where she sometimes (very) possibly talks shit about her co-workers
No one is actively trying to fuck with her, we're just observing and laughing at her stupidity. The whole reason why her retarded posts went from being random posts in the Phase thread to getting a dedicated thread is because she made a comment that could be very easily perceived as her shitting on other members of Phase due to the nature of her comment and the timing of it. Jelly was one of the girls she potentially referenced and Jelly has shown behavior that could be perceived as avoiding Clara, so no, Clara may be bringing her political shit into Phase behind the scenes.
Additionally, I don't care about her politics per se, I'm concerned about her as a person - all the signs of the type who will bring down all those around her.
Yeah that thread is more about laughing at her from afar while documenting it all so that when she finally explodes on main there's already a paper trail.
 

Helkar

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Joined:  Jun 14, 2024
Sinder might be able to salvage some of her career, but she will be constantly sniped by people dangling this over her. She's forever to be like Froot at this point with being untrustworthy whore types who were caught in 4K cheating on their partners.
Froot never had a pissed-off mob of basically every twitch indie that's got any influence breathing down her neck.
As i already said before,
If Sinder ever comes back, she might regain some of her audience, but she'll never get any collabs, fanart or commissions, because people potentially interested in those will be too scared of being taken behind the shed and fed to the orca.

Shylily and Bao are probably the two people that benefitted the most from this, and considering the vitriol Shylily demonstrated towards Sinder after the apology drop, she'll probably go after her even if Sinder attempts to rebrand and stream under a different persona.
 

Superduper Samurai

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Early Adopter
Joined:  Sep 10, 2022
Did anyone post this yet?

Novel Horizons is offering exceptional refunds in the form of gift-cards in their store for the Sinder figurine

[a][a]
We have received many requests for this project asking for pre-order cancelations.

Under normal circumstances, most of these requests would be outside of our cancelation period/cooldown period, but given the gravity of the situation presented, we've lifted the time-limitation to an extent.
Meaning, while we can't refund certain orders due to the afterpay/Paypal limitations on their end (Something we cannot control in any way), we are offering customers a fully functional, non-expiring Gift Card for the Horizon's Merch Store(https://horizonsmerch.com/) instead.

For those unfamiliar with this store, this is where our non-preorder items end up. Such as small merchandise and excess figure stock during our super sales!
The Gift card provided will equal the amount of the order and the original order will be canceled upon accepting it.
Other alternatives outside of the Gift Card including transferring the order over to another project. Although, this option requires further discussions since it is not something our system natively supports.
For full cash-back refunds, who are not interested in alternative options, refunds will be looked into on a case-by-case basis with no guarantee. Since, unfortunately, most of our refund policy comes from the payment processors limitations/terms more-so than our own.

Finally, our customer service for the time being will be drastically slowed down due to the inquiry amount which crashed our system twice over the course of the "event". So, we appreciate everyone's patience as we work our way through this.
We currently do not have a defined amount of time of expected wait for customer support inquiries to be responded too.
She already had a succesful campaign before, Summertime Sinder (2024) at $150 and what I take from this is that they're refunding the more expensive one, Demon Sinder, $250~ per unit:
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So, I take from this that her newest figure got refund-bombed and considering the timeframe way past the pre-order period as it's to be delivered february 2026, production must've started and they're losing a lot of money on this as they'll have dead stock coming in.
i mean, they could easily take the Bikini one, shave off the hair and replace it with another one, its not like big titty bikini hoes are an uncommon smh
 

PleaseCheckYourReceipts

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Joined:  May 6, 2023
Froot never had a pissed-off mob of basically every twitch indie that's got any influence breathing down her neck.
As i already said before,


Shylily and Bao are probably the two people that benefitted the most from this, and considering the vitriol Shylily demonstrated towards Sinder after the apology drop, she'll probably go after her even if Sinder attempts to rebrand and stream under a different persona.
I suspect Sinder will show up on probably YT with a different persona and just do ASMR work. Or she could do what no one else does and actually soul search about how much of a bitch they were being to people and deal with that, then go first to apologize to Silvervale and actually own up to their faults.

Feel free to Optimistic me on that one, because even I'm laughing at typing it.
 

Scoots

The Pontiff of PonWolf
Early Adopter
Joined:  Sep 10, 2022
So the Sinder candle has provoked a wave of creators pulling out in the QRTs, including Mila disappointed with the company profiting off the suffering of others
EDIT: To be clear I'm sure this is about Sinder's VICTIMS suffering not Sinder herself


 
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