Sinder Containment Thread

[Helkar]

Attention whore is being an attention whore they have literally nothing

Yeah i didnt even bother bringing this one here because it was the most blatant nothingburger

 

[Phantasm]

Yeah i didnt even bother bringing this one here because it was the most blatant nothingburger

I know it's probably a long shot but I'm hoping something comes out of it these twitch whores have gotten too comfortable for my liking goddammit I want my thotwars

 

[Helkar]

So, i have to agree with Bao in that this is just kinda confusing.
So Sinder has been quietly - and successfully - sabotaging people for years now. Nothing really indicates that, had just just kept it up on this level, she would've ever gotten caught.
However, starting, apparently, somewhat recently, Sinder has been seething towards Bao specifically more and more, to the point where Bao has noticed it(described as Sinder being warm and fuzzy towards everyone in the group and getting colder and colder towards Bao, which Bao has been afraid to bring up, thinking she has done something wrong).
This seething makes Sinder go way harder on sabotaging Bao, making Nanoless reach her limit and plan a counter-attack.

And while we don't have any precise timeline for this, for the question Bao keeps asking, "why am i singled out, what did i do differently", i have to wonder...Is the answer just fucking Fansly?

 

[Xuhle]

 

[Jakko break shit]

I guess the only thing Sinder can do now is make bank off gooners by whoring herself out fleshstreaming and doing Fansly shit.

Or the service industry making peanuts lmao

 

[Xuhle]

I guess the only thing Sinder can do now is make bank off gooners by whoring herself out fleshstreaming and doing Fansly shit.

Or the service industry making peanuts lmao

Think that was also burned when it was revealed she had a SO/BF.

 

[Smelliest007]

Bao's VOD: a cathartic conversation

Spoiler: stream details

View attachment 96306

Video: https://pixeldrain.com/u/sYsKyjhv
Audio Only: https://pixeldrain.com/u/xH31Y9By

Still listening to it.

• Shylily was the one that initiated the talk, right after Bao's IUD removal, while she was recovering with a really bad induced period (hormonal turmoil).
• After she saw the screenshots she drove to Tara's (who?) house where they had the phone call, crying, and decided she shouldn't be alone.
• Mentions how she was feeling all emotions at the same time while trying to rationalize it and put herself in Sinder's place (consequence of the feeling of betrayal, been there).
• Goes on hindsight where Sinder was warming up to everyone in her circle while getting colder to her, at the time rationalizing as her brainworms and blaming herself imagining she did something wrong when she was ignored, but culminates in being much worse than what she thought.
  • "I just kept asking myself: out of everyone in our friend group, why was it me? What did I do differently? And for so long, I was jealous of how warm they treated my friends and I wondered why it felt so different towards me.".
• Bao friends waited her to come home from the hospital and recover a bit before they told her, sat on the information for almost a week. As soon as they told her, everyone brainstormed possible solutions and what to do next.
• Repeats from time to time that their friendship was entangled with their real life (they probably hang together a lot by how she stresses this fact).
• Starts elaborating on how important a debut is for a vtuber, how stressful project management and that's there's a big team behind it, then goes on how hard it is to pivot and reestructure the schedule after that kind of sudden break out. Was devastated after the cancellation, to the point of deleting the teaser tweet because she couldn't look at it anymore.
• Didn't want to have another artist to draw over the design or mimic Nano's style. Messaged Nano at the time that even if it took years to make the sexy model she'd wait for her.
• "I think there's so many ways to be competitive and not hurt other people in the process. Even when she was so much smaller than me and was just starting out I still remember, showing up, on her stream and making a little bit out of it. I think I speak for all my friends but, that we wouldn't be where we are if it weren't for each other. And I've always felt that way that every success that each of us has is everyone's success. It's so fucking cheesy to say it out loud, it sounds like the end of Mean Girls (2004) when they take the tiara and break it in little pieces and spread it around- I've always felt that way with my friends and we know how ruthless this sphere of streaming is, we know how vile it can get, how tough it is and how so many times when we're hurt when we see something awful and just wanna quit but we have to keep going, we have to... we have to just ignore but there's only so much one person can take.".
• "And I know it's a super stupid and niche problem to have. I feel that if I explain the situation to a therapist they would just fucking explode. I guess it's such a privilege to be where we are and who we are that... I just don't know, like... and that's the most fucked up part about it is, like, the whole time I was like 'What did I do? What did I do?'."
• Questions why was she even considered a threat as she considered Sinder a bigger success, that there was no need to kick the ladder down.
• Asks why was she called a thief when she spent five hours with her editor convincing she would never stop being friends with both Sinder and him even if he took the exclusivity deal (this was in the editor doc).
• Points how she didn't even add personal anecdotes on her Google Doc, just what was on the screenshots and hard evidence because she knows how evil and fucked up this shit can get.
• "And the whole time you do not know how many times I was told to put in my Google Doc the fact that you had a significant other, and no matter how many people told me to put in and how stupid I would be to not put it in, I could not bring myself to put it in, because I knew what it would do to your reputation and you could not spare the same thought for me. And it would be so easy for me to prove, that you have sent the messages but I couldn't do it. Because in the end, I still wouldn't do that to you, and I wonder why you would do that to me."
• When her model was cancelled, Bao was recovering from surgery, bedridden, and all her friends knew because she's open about it. Asks how could she been scheming to take Sinder's career in that state.
• Looked for any semblance of acknowledgement for their friendship in Sinder's apology, to no avail, still searching for it.
• Could easily turn this into vengeance but focused on the evidence of sabotage, considering how outfits and debuts are tied to holidays and dates that aren't easily available, implying she targetted them.
• Nihmune forgave Sinder for missing her concert that was being planned by both of them for over a year, devastating Numi.
• Mention no matter how depressed and stuck in bed she was last year, she managed to fly 6 hours to NY to be there with her.
• "Every single pivotal moment where you had the chance to make the good choice, to be a good person and a good friend, you chose not to be. And no matter how many times me and our friends tried to wrap our heads around it and tried to make sense about it we can't, because every single time we came to the realization it wasn't what we would do if we cared."
• Goes on how small they all started and how far they got, from 100 to 3k viewers, but Sinder let jealousy take ahold of her. "It's not feeling of jealousy but how you act upon it."
• Disassociates and calms down, it's mostly silent here, takes her Advil and goes to bed.

I thought this would be entertaining but it's rather grim. It's woman's psychology that doesn't address the mistakes of their way (lewdtubing, cloutchasing, etc) but I give Bao the benefit of the doubt because she did start with music. It's how they say, hate the game, not the player.

Anyway, Sinder's not only a whore but a cunt as well. I'd never expect Bao holding back after others pushed her to throw Sinder to the dogs, even with solid proof, she decided to hold back. She's a real one, and perhaps because of that fact that she's betrayed so often (don't forget Bao is one of the most scammed vtubers out there, she's treated like a beaten babushka).

Here's a Rumble mirror.

 

[Yume Dark]

I know it's probably a long shot but I'm hoping something comes out of it these twitch whores have gotten too comfortable for my liking goddammit I want my thotwars

This, but replace "cripple" with "thot."

 

[Jack Sneed]

i have to wonder...Is the answer just fucking Fansly?

I'd bet my fucking house the answer's yes. Whore got upset at other whore whoring better and (presumably) getting more whales from it.

 

[Helkar]

I'd bet my fucking house the answer's yes. Whore got upset at other whore whoring better and (presumably) getting more whales from it.

It is a theory that makes the pieces fit together really damn well, but on re-listen it seems like Sinder was cold towards Bao for longer than Bao's been whoring out.
It's difficult to say without specific time-points.

 

[Superduper Samurai]

So, i have to agree with Bao in that this is just kinda confusing.
So Sinder has been quietly - and successfully - sabotaging people for years now. Nothing really indicates that, had just just kept it up on this level, she would've ever gotten caught.
However, starting, apparently, somewhat recently, Sinder has been seething towards Bao specifically more and more, to the point where Bao has noticed it(described as Sinder being warm and fuzzy towards everyone in the group and getting colder and colder towards Bao, which Bao has been afraid to bring up, thinking she has done something wrong).
This seething makes Sinder go way harder on sabotaging Bao, making Nanoless reach her limit and plan a counter-attack.

And while we don't have any precise timeline for this, for the question Bao keeps asking, "why am i singled out, what did i do differently", i have to wonder...Is the answer just fucking Fansly?

The only thing Fansly seems to be involved in is the timing of doing it before Sinder's debut and the fact that most have been doing it now.
But the timeline seems to paint a picture of this being a long term woman brainworm grudge, if Silvervale was the catalyst, then it was probably not a factor overall, Sinder's overall cattyness seems to predate alot of the more prolific whoring, Bao seems to have gone full blast on fansly since Nov 2024, its possible, but that would make Sinder's singling out of Bao be only really be for 5 or 4 months at most. There arent clear enough timelines to really say, imo

 

[Italian Raccoon]

This drama can easily be solved with a bate-off on Fansly. Sinder would have her work cut out for her though, maybe would need Menace to tag in, since Bao is such a strong opponent and an A-class whore.

 

[Helkar]

its possible, but that would make Sinder's singling out of Bao be only really be for 5 or 4 months at most.

Yeah, which is why i sorta backtracked on the idea in a later post, Bao's words seem like this has been going on for *a while*(i nearly typed "a whale").

 

[The Proctor]

It is a theory that makes the pieces fit together really damn well, but on re-listen it seems like Sinder was cold towards Bao for longer than Bao's been whoring out.
It's difficult to say without specific time-points.

I can believe it was the Fansly thing. Whores are vicious creatures, far worse in all ways than regular women. It's why I don't trust VAllure or any other 'positive' community of whores. They can and will turn on each other like frenzied animals at the smallest thing, and the money to be made off of being top-whore was by no means a 'small thing' to be used as incentive in a situation like this.

 

[Zizara]

So, i have to agree with Bao in that this is just kinda confusing.
So Sinder has been quietly - and successfully - sabotaging people for years now. Nothing really indicates that, had just just kept it up on this level, she would've ever gotten caught.
However, starting, apparently, somewhat recently, Sinder has been seething towards Bao specifically more and more, to the point where Bao has noticed it(described as Sinder being warm and fuzzy towards everyone in the group and getting colder and colder towards Bao, which Bao has been afraid to bring up, thinking she has done something wrong).
This seething makes Sinder go way harder on sabotaging Bao, making Nanoless reach her limit and plan a counter-attack.

And while we don't have any precise timeline for this, for the question Bao keeps asking, "why am i singled out, what did i do differently", i have to wonder...Is the answer just fucking Fansly?

I'd bet my fucking house the answer's yes. Whore got upset at other whore whoring better and (presumably) getting more whales from it.

Sinder debuts looking like Silvervale, then fixates on her and starts seething when she's rejected and can't get access to her. There was also leaks of Sinder shit-talking the fuck out of Spite, a small indie, for looking like her (though so far as I know Spite's design actually predates Sinder) and when Spite reveals a new outfit, Sinder drops one that's almost the exact same like 2 weeks later. Bao befriends Sinder, to her gain, and Bao recently saw a big surge in success by debuting a Fansly. Sinder now has a Fansly in the works - and Bao reports Sinder being very friendly to begin with, but turning cold as she gained more and more access to her audience and friend group of other successful indies.
Puzzle piece me maybe for putting these together and playing at armchair psychologist, but it feels like a messed up sort of narcissistic mirroring, where Sinder love-bombs successful people for access to their resources and popularity and incorporates traits they have into her own personality, before becoming contemptuous as they run out of use and she moves onto newer and bigger targets.

 

[21st Century Pipkin Man]

So, i have to agree with Bao in that this is just kinda confusing.
So Sinder has been quietly - and successfully - sabotaging people for years now. Nothing really indicates that, had just just kept it up on this level, she would've ever gotten caught.
However, starting, apparently, somewhat recently, Sinder has been seething towards Bao specifically more and more, to the point where Bao has noticed it(described as Sinder being warm and fuzzy towards everyone in the group and getting colder and colder towards Bao, which Bao has been afraid to bring up, thinking she has done something wrong).
This seething makes Sinder go way harder on sabotaging Bao, making Nanoless reach her limit and plan a counter-attack.

And while we don't have any precise timeline for this, for the question Bao keeps asking, "why am i singled out, what did i do differently", i have to wonder...Is the answer just fucking Fansly?

From everything I've read, she seems to get her insecurities massively triggered by at least people being more popular than her, and anyone perceived copying her (the hellhound ASMR scuffle, Spite, even the nanoless model thing where she wanted to remain unique). Fucking nobody ever seems to talk about her other than to make fun of her, and I wonder if that's a root cause. On the other hand, a lot of people have opinions they'll offer completely unsolicited regarding Bao's whore antics, but Bao never gets immediately and completely dismissed the same way.

 

[Superduper Samurai]

I can believe it was the Fansly thing. Whores are vicious creatures, far worse in all ways than regular women. It's why I don't trust VAllure or any other 'positive' community of whores. They can and will turn on each other like frenzied animals at the smallest thing, and the money to be made off of being top-whore was by no means a 'small thing' to be used as incentive in a situation like this.

Could have exacerbated things, but the general crux of this current discussion is that this grudge seemed much more deep rooted and long-term than just Fansly competition. Sinder also did fuck over many people who have never done anything with the platform, Silvervale always used model nsfw shit and patreon to distribue porn, iirc and she was the one who was seethed at and skinwalked the most. Bao seems to be emotional and feeling singled out becauase it all happened when she was going through her IUD shit

 

[Helkar]

by at least people being more popular than her

I haven't followed either of them, but IIRC they were similar in terms of size, no?

Sinder also did fuck over many people

I am currently trying to find reasons for why Bao specifically was singled out and seemingly targeted much more aggressively as time went on, to the point of it backfiring.

 

[Xuhle]

I am currently trying to find reasons for why Bao specifically was singled out and seemingly targeted much more aggressively as time went on, to the point of it backfiring.

Just a bit of rrat but bao is successful in multiple safe projects as well and original started out with singing. If you noticed in one of the docs they were also trashing on bao in her wheelhouse of singing. None of the other girls in girliepop are known for their music or even have any.

 

[shipmate]

So, i have to agree with Bao in that this is just kinda confusing.
So Sinder has been quietly - and successfully - sabotaging people for years now. Nothing really indicates that, had just just kept it up on this level, she would've ever gotten caught.
However, starting, apparently, somewhat recently, Sinder has been seething towards Bao specifically more and more, to the point where Bao has noticed it(described as Sinder being warm and fuzzy towards everyone in the group and getting colder and colder towards Bao, which Bao has been afraid to bring up, thinking she has done something wrong).
This seething makes Sinder go way harder on sabotaging Bao, making Nanoless reach her limit and plan a counter-attack.

And while we don't have any precise timeline for this, for the question Bao keeps asking, "why am i singled out, what did i do differently", i have to wonder...Is the answer just fucking Fansly?

I was thinking the same, her pussy must've dried out when she saw Bao earning 35k dollars in two weeks of Fansly and decided that something had to be done.