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Tubedude

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CottontailVA was straight up an erotic audio/VA before vtubing was even a thing

but otherwise i agree with HF, on the twitch side the meta will shift to retards looking to goon more and more and it will eventually be nigh-unrecoginzable from the female twitch streamer meta that people like Morgpie and Amouranth have pioneered on twitch
Except it's already that way among a fuck ton of Twitch indies. Two examples off the top of my head are Lucy Pyre and el_XoX. Other examples are any other indie we've seen complain about being banned then we see the clips/stream and it was ACTUALLY deserved per ToS.
 

Hff201

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They are just a new wave coming in though, right? Saruei's been doing NSFW audio fansly shit for a while, and Cotton, as i've read here(and in some yt comments lol) straight up does porn.
The problem is that by pushing it front-and-centre on a mainstream awards show, it goes from something a couple of random whores are doing to something that's actively being encouraged.

So, worst case scenario, this'll be a push for smaller indies to also rush into NSFT side-content, but best case scenario is that it's limited to a select few large twitch indies who were already "lewdtubers" before.

Like, from my cursory-glancing experience, people like Shylily and Numi are very much lewdtubers, but i can't quite see them openly gooning on fansly.
The thing is going from ToS-safe lewdtubing to the kind of lewdtubing that requires an adults-only platform is very much crossing a line. I find Shylily etc.'s streams where they use provocative models and joke about their boobs all the time to be trashy, but I could reasonably buy that their fans are just watching it as dumb mindless entertainment. Once they're on Fansly giving ASMR blowjobs or whatever that plausible deniability's gone, it's porn, and it's making that one particular big step a normal part of being a vtuber rather than something only a very small handful of outliers do that I'm not happy about.

how does it shift the meta if coomer audience doesnt overlap idol or indie scene audience?
It's this to a degree -
I think what he's suggesting is a scenario where people look at Bao's insane earnings from her goon-sessions and go "damn, i want a piece of that for myself".
So, a gold rush. Only more like a, uh, whore-rush?
Sinder appears to have gone through this very process, her fansly announcement happening after Bao started getting fat piles of cash can't be a coincidence.
- but also there is some crossover in audience interests, at least in the early days of a vtuber escalating. We've seen Menace becoming more explicit since getting her new big titty model, and while it's not a 1:1 overlap, there will be people in her audience who initially found her through horror game streams who are more than happy to indulge in her sexual ASMRs, which just makes it blend in as another one of her vtuber activities.

My main point here is I think maintaining the line that separates "lewd" and "pornographic" is important. If it's firmly in place, then crossing it will remain a very intentional decision that's only made by those who're truly comfortable with it. If you erode that line, then there's nothing to stop the snowball from rolling further and further.
 

Helkar

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The thing is going from ToS-safe lewdtubing to the kind of lewdtubing that requires an adults-only platform is very much crossing a line. I find Shylily etc.'s streams where they use provocative models and joke about their boobs all the time to be trashy, but I could reasonably buy that their fans are just watching it as dumb mindless entertainment. Once they're on Fansly giving ASMR blowjobs or whatever that plausible deniability's gone, it's porn, and it's making that one particular big step a normal part of being a vtuber rather than something only a very small handful of outliers do that I'm not happy about.
But that's kind of what i mean, you may call me an imbecile optimist, but despite the [vastly-inflated] popularity of onlyfans and many years of mainstream western cultural push for "sex work is real work", i still choose to believe that the majority of women don't find doing porn appealing.
So my belief for now is that, despite attempts of normalization and popularization, we'll not see a big paradigm shift within the indie sphere and the only people transitioning to fansly-NSFW-tubing will be a few of those who were already comfortable with the move, rather than otherwise-not-overly-sexual chuubas feeling the pressure to do it in order to keep afloat.
 

GOD'S STRONGEST BUILDERBEAR

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I think what he's suggesting is a scenario where people look at Bao's insane earnings from her goon-sessions and go "damn, i want a piece of that for myself".
So, a gold rush. Only more like a, uh, whore-rush?
Sinder appears to have gone through this very process, her fansly announcement happening after Bao started getting fat piles of cash can't be a coincidence.
Yea but as data suggests if people got used to you doing fun wholesome shit people will absolutelly eat you alive if you do porn, and in the whore world nobody will really know or care about you. I cant see lisa or sleepy doing that shit, and they are pretty successful for what they do.

- but also there is some crossover in audience interests, at least in the early days of a vtuber escalating. We've seen Menace becoming more explicit since getting her new big titty model, and while it's not a 1:1 overlap, there will be people in her audience who initially found her through horror game streams who are more than happy to indulge in her sexual ASMRs, which just makes it blend in as another one of her vtuber activities.

My main point here is I think maintaining the line that separates "lewd" and "pornographic" is important. If it's firmly in place, then crossing it will remain a very intentional decision that's only made by those who're truly comfortable with it. If you erode that line, then there's nothing to stop the snowball from rolling further and further.
Fair points here and I agree, but again, we got thru that three years ago and the only thing you can do as a consumer now is choose what you want to watch yourself. And the act of fansly choosing to present zatsu instead of whores this year is an attempt to slowly clean up their image due to recent payment processor chimpouts.
 

Kuri Rinji

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Things that happened.

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PleaseCheckYourReceipts

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Superduper Samurai

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El Rrata

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Seth

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El Rrata

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shipmate_F

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Expand on that?
I don't know I saw some blocks of text that I haven't read and some coomposts so I assume it was all unimportant stuff. Not on PC to pull his history.
 

Brosnan Pierce Brosnan

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Evil Azehara be like "it's ok I don't need to see your tits". "You should go to school and build up your resume." "Plan ahead for your future" "Stay away from Japan it is quite silly"
 

Serbian Peacemakers

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God's Strongest Dragoon

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Are Azehara and Proctor related?
Proctor writes a page long reply to one comment. Azehara pings half the forum in a single post by replying to them with a 1 word sentence.
 

RestlessRain

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Zizara

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Weird thing to seethe about. Of course when Filian arranges a big show she picks people who've been nice to her to star in it. Is she supposed to put some foaming at the mouth sister who hates her front and centre?
Also, different people different opinions. I'm sure there were some involved who weren't happy about his appearance but Shylily was the one who was cohosting and she's on positive terms with Twitch's CEO.
 

God's Strongest Wardog

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Hff201

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Void Scribas

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>at least Phase don't spout slurs in public
>claims to be a Panko fan

:pankosmug:
If this dude saw early Phase connect streams he will die

 
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