Termination of Selen Tatsuki and the Glorious Revival of Dokibird

[Stunned But Dumb]

If what you guys are saying has anything to it, you can expect the next terminated liver to have "harassing fellow talents" in their list of sins regardless of who it is. Buses are quite large and there's a lot of space under them, after all

 

[Seth]

I don't think there's a chance within two years. For one thing, dokibird is unlikely to join any company to start over.

Even if nijisanji's popularity suffers a devastating blow, it will remain part of nijisanji, unless nijisanji en is completely disintegrated or separated from its headquarters. Otherwise, all dokibird collaborations with hololive will be considered poaching, especially such top members will pose a very big obstacle to future business cooperation. It's intolerable for Japanese companies.

It is also very sad that there are few companies that can fully embrace selen. nijisanji's influence was so profound that any company that opposed him was sidelined.
selen will have to go it alone for a while, waiting for nijisanji to hand over its historic place or for a new challenger to emerge in the en market.
Of course, I would love for selen to become a VTB with an independent creative team like Pmarusama(This VTB also suffered unfair treatment before)

Im curious, what does the chinese fanbase think of the selen termination? I know most japanese fans are siding with Nijisanji and not really questioning management.

 

[Ballpark_Look]

Just want to say, I wonder how easy it is for some Niji management to maliciously influence the livers and people associated with them. TBH some of the livers might be some terminally online people with the social skills of a toddler

 

[Xuhle]

Just a thought as we do continue trying to figure out who the bully clique is. But we keep on making some people we aren't thinking of at all and kind of in agreement on. I'm more meaning Petra, reimu, maria, Aia, scarla, meleco, Victoria, and kunai. let's just include them for a moment as nijisanji with thete acceleration does cannibalize a lot of the liver

I myself don't think Victoria and kunai mostly cause they are too new.

Meleco is more Japanese leaning and might not have understood everything, but she also could have been pushing the autism harder and pressuring others to follow it.

Maria seems very chill and caring, but she seems almost like a smaller Selen. Which gets to the idea that maybe she would be little Selen and her work behind the scenes as she might get her fans if she gets her to leave.

Scarla honestly kind of airheaded and coomer brained that I don't know if she really could do anything, and from what collabs I have seen her in she's seems kind of like she wouldn't be the one to pressure anyone in a clique.

Aia she had that early point when she basically invited in sjw when she did that safe space stuff. Could have just been a slip up in wanting people to just feel comfortable with her, or an early mask off moment to show she's an sjw as well and being willing to bully if it might means she gets benefits later.

Petra and reimu I don't really got anything that might be some rrat or observation that makes sense to see them but I don't watch ether a ton in collabs.

Simply put they are all women and can be very catty to each other over the dumbest of shit so shouldn't write them off ether.

 

[MerelyTourist]

Even if nijisanji's popularity suffers a devastating blow, it will remain part of nijisanji, unless nijisanji en is completely disintegrated or separated from its headquarters. Otherwise, all dokibird collaborations with hololive will be considered poaching, especially such top members will pose a very big obstacle to future business cooperation. It's intolerable for Japanese companies.

I think, if anything, it's Holo who can afford to not care and do whatever they please. Especially afther these 3 pages of PR suicide in every line. They actively escaping toxic jp corpo buillshit tropes. They might lose some sponsors, but they will get another. Also its only poaching if person did not leave previous place yet. Everytjing that happens after cannot be called poaching by definition.

Rrat: all EN corops/agencies and big indies too now privately discussing if they will go "fuck kurosanji" way. Remember that just like kurosanji do not care about EN market, all their influece is also safely contained in JP market (well, CN/TW too i guees). Fishman obviously will thread carefully becasue he invested a lot of money there just now, but almost every small corpo (plus vshojo) can afford to side openly support Doki.

Not rrat: they obviously discussing how to deal with situation, who the hell wouldn't after this shitshow of a statement! We just don't know whether they leaning to support Doki with engagement or to stay away for some time. Pretty much everyone who can take side right away did so, in the coming week or two we'll see how more entangled people react. Also we can be sure that shareholders also discussing that yabaiest statement ever, and deciding if they'll let it slide.

BTW jab: Nijisanji is a family indeed. The catch is, it's toxic chinks family.

P.S. Thanks guys i appreciate this civilized group therapy session.

 

[Gaotye (bilibili DD)]

Im curious, what does the chinese fanbase think of the selen termination? I know most japanese fans are siding with Nijisanji and not really questioning management.

The characteristic of the Chinese community is that the problem of time difference is particularly serious, because of the problem of Internet closure, all outside information almost takes 1-2 days to arrive, and it has to go through the unprofessional relayed by people with various positions.People often quarrel over the source of information. There's no difference beyond that.

But I think now niji fans on bilibili must hate nijisanji very much, because their oshi just came to bilibili live stream once, was officially removed, even the account was deleted completely. All I can do is help them get information faster and more easily

 

[Cptn Snshn]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I have no idea why ANYONE likes Lucy Pyre she's the single most generic "HA HA SEX" V-tuber I've ever seen and I want her to fuck off from my comfort woman game of FF14

 

[Tubedude]

I think, if anything, it's Holo who can afford to not care and do whatever they please. Especially afther these 3 pages of PR suicide in every line. They actively escaping toxic jp corpo buillshit tropes. They might lose some sponsors, but they will get another. Also its only poaching if person did not leave previous place yet. Everytjing that happens after cannot be called poaching by definition.

Rrat: all EN corops/agencies and big indies too now privately discussing if they will go "fuck kurosanji" way. Remember that just like kurosanji do not care about EN market, all their influece is also safely contained in JP market. Fishman obviously will thread carefully becasue he invested a lot of money there just now, but almost every small corpo (plus vshojo) can afford to side openly support Doki.

Not rrat: they obviously discussing how to deal with situation, who the hell wouldn't after this shitshow of a statement! We just don't know whether they leaning to support Doki with engagement or to stay away for some time. Pretty much everyone who can take side right away did so, in the coming week or two we'll see how more entangled people react. Also we can be sure that shareholders also discussing that yabaiest statement ever, and deciding if they'll let it slide.

P.S. Thanks guys i appreciate this civilized group therapy session.

Considering EN corpos have shown they kowtow to twitter heat over the last decade, they will likely be willing to work with Doki, at least for sponsors, perms (if needed), and EN sphere events.

Also it is possible a lot of EN corpos will now balk at working with Niji, considering just how fucking bad PR their statement is anywhere outside the JP sphere. Why would they want to work with a company that could at any moment put out a statement that makes all involved look like a cartoonishly evil and incompetent villain, and think it is a good idea to do so?

 

[Cptn Snshn]

@reinigen is on mobile so I'm going to post this for him. Huge grain of salt, screenshot sourced from /vt/:

Wayback Machine | Twitter #1 | Twitter #2

Again, this could be literally nothing, but it is worth noting for potential digging.

Wasn't one of the conditions of people coming back after Proctors gay ass meltdown that the jannies would shut down the discord faggotry?

 

[Ballpark_Look]

Considering EN corpos have shown they kowtow to twitter heat over the last decade, they will likely be willing to work with Doki, at least for sponsors, perms (if needed), and EN sphere events.

Also it is possible a lot of EN corpos will now balk at working with Niji, considering just how fucking bad PR their statement is anywhere outside the JP sphere. Why would they want to work with a company that could at any moment put out a statement that makes all involved look like a cartoonishly evil and incompetent villain, and think it is a good idea to do so?

I think that if anything Niji proved that they are slow to pay and respond to anything. When it comes to money people don't play

 

[MerelyTourist]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I have no idea why ANYONE likes Lucy Pyre she's the single most generic "HA HA SEX" V-tuber I've ever seen

Well, she's nice and entertaining person. Not dumb where it counts. And jumped the wagon in right time too i guess.

Also it is possible a lot of EN corpos will now balk at working with Niji, considering just how fucking bad PR their statement is anywhere outside the JP sphere.

This is where the fallacy is: their statement is PR nightmare by JP standards, the only cultural difference is "breaking da rules" point. Everythng else has same tone.

 

[Cubanodun]

Not rrat: they obviously discussing how to deal with situation, who the hell wouldn't after this shitshow of a statement! We just don't know whether they leaning to support Doki with engagement or to stay away for some time. Pretty much everyone who can take side right away did so, in the coming week or two we'll see how more entangled people react. Also we can be sure that shareholders also discussing that yabaiest statement ever, and deciding if they'll let it slide.

I mean we believed that Riro termination was a master class in bad PR until Nijisanji come with the steel chair to claim the crown

The EN scene is now slowly changing because of Selen termination, we have people actually moving to promote tier B companies like Phase Connect and Idol, i dont think this going to capitalize in subs and revenue but at least the PR capital of NijiEN is absolutely right now in 0, i would not be surprised if they give them the Indonesia/India treatment and refuse to make new waves because the entire branch is poisoned with accusations of nepotism (verified by ex talents no less) and all around mismanagement

The beast is bleeding and is time to see who drinks the blood and get the good meat

And about others collabing with Doki, she probably is banned for Nijeria talents but that doesnst stop her to hang with the homos again, case in point Henya collabed with Ina as Pikamee and collabing with a Hololive is infinitely more complex than doing with a Holostars

 

[MerelyTourist]

And about others collabing with Doki, she probably is banned for Nijeria talents but that doesnst stop her to hang with the homos again, case in point Henya collabed with Ina as Pikamee

Please decypher this word pile

 

[Gaotye (bilibili DD)]

All we can do is wait, waitting for nijisanji to hand over its historic place or for a new challenger to emerge in the en market.
In addition, because of the speed of information dissemination, some attitudes need to be conveyed personally

VTB comes down to who lives longer and makes fewer mistakes

 

[Cubanodun]

Please decypher this word pile

I mean is more probable that you are going to see Doki collabing with Cover talents because she hanged with Holostars EN, but she is surely banned of collabing with anyone from Nijisanji as the rules state, this is not a nijisanji rule, is a common one, im betting the dingo (Axel) is pestering management to let him and the other boys collab with her again

 

[Tubedude]

This is where the fallacy is: their statement is PR nightmare by JP standards, the only cultural difference is "breaking da rules" point. Everythng else has same tone.

Perhaps it is, but of the JP fan/community response I've seen, it doesn't seem to be that nightmarish all things considered, although maybe JP net I can see doesn't explode as much as EN side of things.

 

[MerelyTourist]

All we can do is wait, waitting for nijisanji to hand over its historic place or for a new challenger to emerge in the en market.

For now, they seemingly have no intent to hand over anything. Moreso, they seem hellbent on taking that historic first place from Wacktor.

@Cubanodun still doesn't make sense... Pikamee started from scratch, how's her collabs any relevant?

 

[Bronze]

All we can do is wait, waitting for nijisanji to hand over its historic place or for a new challenger to emerge in the en market.
In addition, because of the speed of information dissemination, some attitudes need to be conveyed personally

VTB comes down to who lives longer and makes fewer mistakes

Brave is on the way. Despite my skeptical opinion of them, i have to admit they actually support their talents at V4mirai quite well. I expect same for Vspo En, if not more.

 

[Limkin]

The reason people talk about bullying is because there is nothing to talk about other topics. All relevant parties already called out Niji on bs a month ago. Everything happened a month ago. We already went through it extensively last time and the only new thing this termination added was a bullying part. If they didn't say anything about it, no one would even bring up Millie sucking Niji's dick or try and figure out who is more favorited by management.

 

[Cubanodun]

@Cubanodun still doesn't make sense... Pikamee started from scratch, how's her collabs any relevant?

It created the precedent that a person that reincarnated can collab with Cover, in her case she collabed as Pikamee and as Henya without any issue