Oof looks like NijiEN is not doing hood on Anime Expo, for reference the green one means it's available and the yellow and grey ones are taken and this hours after the tickets are open. Also the left one are the girls portion and the right are boys.
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Nijisanji L Collection
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Oof looks like NijiEN is not doing hood on Anime Expo, for reference the green one means it's available and the yellow and grey ones are taken and this hours after the tickets are open. Also the left one are the girls portion and the right are boys.
The Nijisanji fanbase in general has been quite divided even before shits fucked for all parties. I don't exactly knew much but generally speaking the ID niji fans is not happy that whatever shit the EN nijisisters are doing, they ended up getting lumped together or worse, getting 'pitied' because somehow whatever EN fuckery is the reason ID imploded. And of course there's probably niji fans that aren't sisters but is stuck between "like your oshii but be branded as sisters" or "hide it but risk not getting noticed" or something like that.
At least on my circle, most of the ID fans there are generally still act like nijisisters, but that's because everything EN do is still blamed as the reason ex-ID imploded and would inevitably lash out at everyone who doesn't know. I did tell them to calm their shit but at some point they call me stupid for not letting them vent in peace (even though being angry all the time isn't healthy but eh, if they want to die with burst blood vessel due to sheer rage be my guest)
And generally yes, they are mostly mixed with other agencies/indies so you can just jump ship if needed. This is especially true for ID fans since it's not exactly hard for the ex-ID talents to return to their PLs and thus they just go to the PL's already existing fanbase or whatever agencies they went to, like Kawaii or ID agencies such as AKA Virtual or whatever.
This is situational:
JP: They knew Mikeneko was prone to fuck ups due to her past so it was normal for them and the only ones to chimp out where the most hardcore Fandeads
EN:" IDOL CULTURE LE BAD THEY FIRED HER BECAUSE SHE HAD A BF
WATCH NIJIS AND VSHOJO BECAUSE THEY WOULDNT FIRE YOU FOR BS REASONS"
Until the domestic abuser allegations came out
I try not to think about that.
You would be completely right.
Wow. That’s an auditorium.
EN is always hard to actually measure because again, there are a ton of tourists and non-fans who wanna dictate how Holo works despite not watching it. There's also the unicorns and all of the shitstirrers who are loud as fuck to appear more numerous than they actually are.
I dont think the domestic abuse shit is when people in the West realized she was a nutter. Most people realized she had screws loose by the time she was actually terminated after seeing her responses. If not by then, it was pretty clear during the rest of the year and the girls' responses (or lack thereof in a lot of cases.)
I remember there being some decently-argued speculation that Noor, formerly of the ID branch, was doing the initial talent management for EN, and that she seemed to have a decent rapport with the new talents.
Yeah i am talking about casuals and tourists
That guy sucked ass but
Omega didnt make Sana attempt to kill herself
Yeah omega was definitely sinking the ship in 2022, once it got canned and replaced with lord Jap-sama things got a lot better. EN is still a pretty messy branch overall.
That we know. He sure seemed to make IRyS miserable, though.
The main diff between Nijisanji EN and HoloEN are
1 -their fans
2-talents being able to criticize managment
IN MY OPINION HoloEN fans do a good job on criticizing COVER (even for things like twitter posts) because talents tell them a lot of details about the whole thing (Thank Kiara,Calli and others i cant remember now)
Niji EN fans never ever bothered with the obvious Luxiem favoritism thing
But Livers like Millie run to defend the company like if it were a family member instead of telling you there its something wrong
1 -their fans
2-talents being able to criticize managment
IN MY OPINION HoloEN fans do a good job on criticizing COVER (even for things like twitter posts) because talents tell them a lot of details about the whole thing (Thank Kiara,Calli and others i cant remember now)
Niji EN fans never ever bothered with the obvious Luxiem favoritism thing
But Livers like Millie run to defend the company like if it were a family member instead of telling you there its something wrong
Fuck there is so much to reply just from this page and the one before
But now that both of you mentioned Harry it got me thinking, what about the legal department? I remember back when everything was going down a japanese Vtuber mentioned she had been mistreated by Anycolor legal department, didn't she say the head lawyer was a self-important asshole or something like that? Because they seem to be at the perfect position to fuck up both Zaion and Selen's terminations. Not only that but wasn't Harry an old acquaintance of Tazumi? do their Linkedins say something about if they are still in there or not? Like it has been said before there is so little concrete information it feels like playing darts in the dark
This is personal but I really felt the part about Niji fans being stuck between "like your oshii but be branded as sisters" or "hide it but risk not getting noticed" . I still want to support the few people I care about in there but I'm not blind to all the mistakes the company and livers have made
Also happy 300 pages 
I honestly think this is the reason there is still so much debate and arguing about what happened months after Selen's termination (the other being that Niji is still one of the big Vtuber companies at least in Japan). There is so little concrete information it's just perfect for rrats and schizo theories to bloom.
I also think from what I have seen from the situation that this seems to be fault of management and the company. Wheter it was because of negligence, incompetence or lack of staff we do not know, as it has been said previously there is a lack of details in that aspect.
But now that both of you mentioned Harry it got me thinking, what about the legal department? I remember back when everything was going down a japanese Vtuber mentioned she had been mistreated by Anycolor legal department, didn't she say the head lawyer was a self-important asshole or something like that? Because they seem to be at the perfect position to fuck up both Zaion and Selen's terminations. Not only that but wasn't Harry an old acquaintance of Tazumi? do their Linkedins say something about if they are still in there or not? Like it has been said before there is so little concrete information it feels like playing darts in the dark
As Faceless says the Niji fanbase was quite divided even before everything that happened. I think there's not one underlying cause but several, one of them being the idea of "follow who you want", it means there's less sense of unity unless they collabed frequently or are part of the same gen/group. And after everything I feel like that division has only widened. As for jumping ship I feel like a lot of EN fans left as the livers themselves did, but the biggest one seems to have happened with Selen's termination and the ensuing shitstorm that followed.
This is personal but I really felt the part about Niji fans being stuck between "like your oshii but be branded as sisters" or "hide it but risk not getting noticed" . I still want to support the few people I care about in there but I'm not blind to all the mistakes the company and livers have made
Rosemi doesnt deserve the Yamanbas that did this to her work enviroment (whoever they fucking are)
Happy 300 pages
I agree. It's really quite strange. Nijisanji's current situation is almost entirely self inflicted.
Look at the Selen termination. All Nijisanji had to do was say that Selen was terminated because she encouraged people to re-upload her video after it was taken down. Her fans might still have been upset, but it would have been hard to argue that it wasn't a valid reason for termination. (We can argue whether or not it was morally wrong, but it was clearly legally wrong, and she probably only did it because she wasn't planning to be alive to face the consequences.)
Instead, they published a laundry list of her supposed crimes in an attempt to assassinate her character. Obviously that didn't go as intended, with the public siding with her and against them, but even if the public had taken their side, what good would it have done them? It might have hurt Doki's career as an indie, but how would that have helped Nijisanji?
It all just seems so bizarre and pointlessly petty for no good reason.
Did we move on from the miscommunication theory being the prevailing one? I thought the time line was: Doki sends her "This is why I didn't enjoy working for you all that much" list, Niji thinks it's hitting the public next so they rush to get ahead of it, thinking that she is about to assassinate the character of the company and it's employees with her own, presumably massively emotionally charged laundry list. Thus essentially pushing the first draft out the door, which lights the whole thing on fire.
But even then, I don't think the Termination statement was the biggest fuel source. The Doki post where she said she was being silenced and where she confirmed that she tried her hand at High-Rise acrobatics or something similar really made it go nuclear. That could have and probably would have happened even if Niji held back on the petty dirt in the statement.
I remember Doki had said she didn't want to mention that she tried commit a hero. Had Niji not tried to character assassinate her in the termination letter, Doki probably would not have said what she said.
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It was possible that Selen wouldn't have posted her follow-up to the termination if it hadn't been a laundry list, or if she did, her follow-up would look worse against a singular valid point. I think it was the combo of the two that led to the blow up being as large as it was.
When I watched NijiEN during the first wave period to the end of the "golden 20 only" period, the talents seemed to largely be positive about management. My guess is that management was actually making an effort at first, but then they left for w/e reason. I think the digging through linkedin shit a while ago pointed to some of the management at the time moving to a nft project. The troubles seemed to start around Yugo's graduation/termination, at least publicly, it probably started slightly before that which led to it being the first incident. The AR Live cancellation was probably at the point where old management was fully out since Luxiem did not react happily to the cancellation.
Do you know if there are any clips of her talking about this stuff?
Goes to show how important management really is... Holo was saved from sinking due to staff changes and Niji was brought down from their potential rise by staff changes.
What do you expect the management quality when they are paid less than flipping a fucking burger in USA?
