Nijisanji L Collection

[USS IOWA]

Oof looks like NijiEN is not doing hood on Anime Expo, for reference the green one means it's available and the yellow and grey ones are taken and this hours after the tickets are open. Also the left one are the girls portion and the right are boys.

 

[Faceless Waifu]

That may have been Niji's worst mistake, eroding fanbase trust for a whole year until the perfect shitstorm imploded everything. I also think that Niji's fanbase was a lot more mixed with other agencies and indies so they had a much easier time abandoning ship rather than someone who is fully invested into only that one company.

The Nijisanji fanbase in general has been quite divided even before shits fucked for all parties. I don't exactly knew much but generally speaking the ID niji fans is not happy that whatever shit the EN nijisisters are doing, they ended up getting lumped together or worse, getting 'pitied' because somehow whatever EN fuckery is the reason ID imploded. And of course there's probably niji fans that aren't sisters but is stuck between "like your oshii but be branded as sisters" or "hide it but risk not getting noticed" or something like that.

At least on my circle, most of the ID fans there are generally still act like nijisisters, but that's because everything EN do is still blamed as the reason ex-ID imploded and would inevitably lash out at everyone who doesn't know. I did tell them to calm their shit but at some point they call me stupid for not letting them vent in peace (even though being angry all the time isn't healthy but eh, if they want to die with burst blood vessel due to sheer rage be my guest)

And generally yes, they are mostly mixed with other agencies/indies so you can just jump ship if needed. This is especially true for ID fans since it's not exactly hard for the ex-ID talents to return to their PLs and thus they just go to the PL's already existing fanbase or whatever agencies they went to, like Kawaii or ID agencies such as AKA Virtual or whatever.

 

[Sankisei]

The Rushia termination was DEFINITELY seen in a very bad light for about two-ish weeks if my memory serves me

This is situational:
JP: They knew Mikeneko was prone to fuck ups due to her past so it was normal for them and the only ones to chimp out where the most hardcore Fandeads
EN:" IDOL CULTURE LE BAD THEY FIRED HER BECAUSE SHE HAD A BF
WATCH NIJIS AND VSHOJO BECAUSE THEY WOULDNT FIRE YOU FOR BS REASONS"
Until the domestic abuser allegations came out

 

[x Hades Stamps]

I never understood why Niji is the way it is. It just doesn't make sense to me why they are so self-destructive.
Were they always like this? How did nobody really bring it up for 5 years? Was all of their success just a fluke or genuine passion and hard work?
Why did EN take so long to implode if things were so horrible? Why did anyone in their right mind sign that contract?
Is Holo like this too? Is it possible to make a vtuber agency without being terrible? Why has nobody done it if so?
Who actually caused all of the issues? The talent? Management? The people at HQ? The suits? and why did it suddenly become worse? or was it always that bad?

I try not to think about that.

Ever since all of the shit started coming out I feel like there is a lot of things we still don’t know. Going “they’re evil, that’s it” does not satisfy me as a conclusion. There is this big disconnect between early Niji and current Niji, maybe there’s a lot of things I can’t connect to the puzzle because their JP branch never appealed to the west.

You would be completely right.

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Oof looks like NijiEN is not doing hood on Anime Expo, for reference the green one means it's available and the yellow and grey ones are taken and this hours after the tickets are open. Also the left one are the girls portion and the right are boys.

Wow. That’s an auditorium.

 

[Nenélove]

This is situational:
JP: They knew Mikeneko was prone to fuck ups due to her past so it was normal for them and the only ones to chimp out where the most hardcore Fandeads
EN:" IDOL CULTURE LE BAD THEY FIRED HER BECAUSE SHE HAD A BF
WATCH NIJIS AND VSHOJO BECAUSE THEY WOULDNT FIRE YOU FOR BS REASONS"
Until the domestic abuser allegations came out

EN is always hard to actually measure because again, there are a ton of tourists and non-fans who wanna dictate how Holo works despite not watching it. There's also the unicorns and all of the shitstirrers who are loud as fuck to appear more numerous than they actually are.

 

[El Rrata]

EN:" IDOL CULTURE LE BAD THEY FIRED HER BECAUSE SHE HAD A BF
WATCH NIJIS AND VSHOJO BECAUSE THEY WOULDNT FIRE YOU FOR BS REASONS"
Until the domestic abuser allegations came out

I dont think the domestic abuse shit is when people in the West realized she was a nutter. Most people realized she had screws loose by the time she was actually terminated after seeing her responses. If not by then, it was pretty clear during the rest of the year and the girls' responses (or lack thereof in a lot of cases.)

 

[Thomas Talus]

Dont quote me on that but i think there are some pieces that you could connect using linked in that seems to indicate some sort of brain drain that ocurred internally with NijiEN, the Infamous Harry was one of them iirc.

I remember there being some decently-argued speculation that Noor, formerly of the ID branch, was doing the initial talent management for EN, and that she seemed to have a decent rapport with the new talents.

 

[Saturnus]

How did holo not land a Harry? Pure luck and not nepotism I guess.

They did though. Omega-alpha existed.

 

[Sankisei]

EN is always hard to actually measure because again, there are a ton of tourists and non-fans who wanna dictate how Holo works despite not watching it. There's also the unicorns and all of the shitstirrers who are loud as fuck to appear more numerous than they actually are.

I dont think the domestic abuse shit is when people in the West realized she was a nutter. Most people realized she had screws loose by the time she was actually terminated after seeing her responses. If not by then, it was pretty clear during the rest of the year and the girls' responses (or lack thereof in a lot of cases.)

Yeah i am talking about casuals and tourists

They did though. Omega-alpha existed.

That guy sucked ass but
Omega didnt make Sana attempt to kill herself

 

[Nenélove]

They did though. Omega-alpha existed.

Yeah omega was definitely sinking the ship in 2022, once it got canned and replaced with lord Jap-sama things got a lot better. EN is still a pretty messy branch overall.

 

[El Rrata]

Omega didnt make Sana attempt to kill herself

That we know. He sure seemed to make IRyS miserable, though.

 

[Poyoyo & Jill]

The main diff between Nijisanji EN and HoloEN are
1 -their fans
2-talents being able to criticize managment
IN MY OPINION HoloEN fans do a good job on criticizing COVER (even for things like twitter posts) because talents tell them a lot of details about the whole thing (Thank Kiara,Calli and others i cant remember now)
Niji EN fans never ever bothered with the obvious Luxiem favoritism thing
But Livers like Millie run to defend the company like if it were a family member instead of telling you there its something wrong

 

[Punished Lurker]

Fuck there is so much to reply just from this page and the one before

Spoiler: Too many answers and thoughts

I never understood why Niji is the way it is. It just doesn't make sense to me why they are so self-destructive.
Were they always like this? How did nobody really bring it up for 5 years? Was all of their success just a fluke or genuine passion and hard work?
Why did EN take so long to implode if things were so horrible? Why did anyone in their right mind sign that contract?
Is Holo like this too? Is it possible to make a vtuber agency without being terrible? Why has nobody done it if so?
Who actually caused all of the issues? The talent? Management? The people at HQ? The suits? and why did it suddenly become worse? or was it always that bad?

Ever since all of the shit started coming out I feel like there is a lot of things we still don't know. Going "they're evil, that's it" does not satisfy me as a conclusion. There is this big disconnect between early Niji and current Niji, maybe there's a lot of things I can't connect to the puzzle because their JP branch never appealed to the west.

I understand Holo's fuck ups very well, they are logical and have plausible explanations. Coco was harassed and mismanaged, Rushia was menhera, Mel broke contract. Holo was very obviously going through growing pains in 2020-2021, and that led to a lot of incompetent/negligent handling of situations, that has since gotten better and is consistent with the agency's growth and number of employees. Niji just... had the world and then imploded, I feel like the root cause of the issues has never been actually revealed to us.

I honestly think this is the reason there is still so much debate and arguing about what happened months after Selen's termination (the other being that Niji is still one of the big Vtuber companies at least in Japan). There is so little concrete information it's just perfect for rrats and schizo theories to bloom.

Dont quote me on that but i think there are some pieces that you could connect using linked in that seems to indicate some sort of brain drain that ocurred internally with NijiEN, the Infamous Harry was one of them iirc.

Other than that, id guess they just had the great intial PR of not being like Holo that drew people in and kept that momentum going, the tribalfagging with male autism, their general chummyness (that later turned out to be because of the nepo implications) all gave them alot of great inital push that they just went losing along the way. I think a lack of management instead of malicious one would explain some shit nicely, especially if you can couple that with the implications that alot of decent people left the company and somehow they either replaced them with useless interns or they never did.

But now, there is seemingly no wrangling, no real retards handling PR, very little communication with the fanbase (something Holo, excells at in comparison,) and that crippling momentum loss (imo it started with the "covid" shit) just ground down the talents into what they are now, with all the menhera moments, Millie being autistic, Vox trying to wrangle his fujo clique, Reimu being harassed by said fujos, i think to me that just indicates that they lost something that kept them going, either management or morale-wise

Holo is shockingly transparent for a JP company, to the point where their two terminations didnt leave a sour taste and their amicable graduations, even Vesper and Magni, left them not looking any terrible at all, meanwhile, Niji has the bizzare trend of attempting to justify their decisions to the public instead of just explaining them in the most milquetoast or amicable ways possible, its all just a wierd rot from the top that seemingly made everyone else fuck off.

i agree that there is probably no malice from management going on, just a shocking amount of incompetence, while the clique shit is retarded i wouldnt be suprised if there was internal friction between talent, alot are young, unprofessional, and mildy unstable

As the proposer of the Harry rrat:
Nijisanji has always been hands off for their kaigai branches and let they do whatever they want (except for collabing with Hololive EN/Kson). NijiEN found success because anycolor didn't touched them. But it changed after anycolor saw how successful Luxiem was, and anycolor started micromanaging EN by bringing in Harry.
While the cracks of a dysfunctional community were always there, with people shittalking others behind their back, they were held on by incredibly people like Pomu & Nina who pasted the fragments of the company together into a complete picture. Luca was also actively holding it together as you can see Scarle coming onto him for advice (though his advice aren't from his own but from his mod). The place was clique-y but there is a still sense of unity. But we see what happened, as Nijisanji shirks more responsibility into their hands and people started openly backstab each other, enabled by the new management, they crumbled under the increasing pressure and left. Pomu, the one affiliating herself with the brand the most, was legit scarred by Harry & his goons.

Sayu was clearly micromanaged by Niji and every single tiny mistake of her result in stealth suspension, harry started wielding his authority around thinking he's the best businessman ever. And it probs the same case for everyone other talents. When there is that much of a big presence of control, creativity got stifled and it shows, nijisanji stopped being interesting. Except for Selen who fought against all odds and didn't give a fuck what Harry thinks.
How did holo not land a Harry? Pure luck and not nepotism I guess.

>Why did anyone in their right mind sign that contract?
NEXAS has like 40 vtubers now, you tell me, their contract are definitely way worse.
Or just look at faze clan who takes aways 90% of all earnings, people still sign their contract.
Nijisanji is far more palatable compared to those contract wise. And niji actually has a prospect for growth.

Tl;dr they always like this. Company was held back from explosion by incredible people, whom finally got crushed from too much responsibility and left.

Holo is not transparent at all. While I do shit on aviel for fake being transparent. Nothing is really know about hololive, you referenced vesper and magni but Holo never even mentioned why they left. Everything about holo is assumptions from fans. Every time they had a termination they just default into the "People leaked something they shouldn't have" excuse, yet we never see anything actually getting leaked. It's called a walled garden for a reason, while people started going back and forth from the garden, it's still walled as hell. No information can escape. There probs were frictions as well but holo managed to hide it (just take one look at mikeneko and tell me she never clashed against someone during her 3 years)

The only time we have any concrete figure from holo was because an ex-talent, Coco, vague posting about nijisanji. Hololive can survive yab is because of years of building good will, the China shit cemented that Holo will side and care about the talent, and half of it comes from Fubuki's effort, and then YAGOO planted his balls all over the IR report saying "I don't care about your opinion or nijisanji, we will continue treasuring the talents"

Why is hololive the way it is? Pure luck, landing a Yagoo and staffers who actually cares.

I also think from what I have seen from the situation that this seems to be fault of management and the company. Wheter it was because of negligence, incompetence or lack of staff we do not know, as it has been said previously there is a lack of details in that aspect.

But now that both of you mentioned Harry it got me thinking, what about the legal department? I remember back when everything was going down a japanese Vtuber mentioned she had been mistreated by Anycolor legal department, didn't she say the head lawyer was a self-important asshole or something like that? Because they seem to be at the perfect position to fuck up both Zaion and Selen's terminations. Not only that but wasn't Harry an old acquaintance of Tazumi? do their Linkedins say something about if they are still in there or not? Like it has been said before there is so little concrete information it feels like playing darts in the dark

The Nijisanji fanbase in general has been quite divided even before shits fucked for all parties. I don't exactly knew much but generally speaking the ID niji fans is not happy that whatever shit the EN nijisisters are doing, they ended up getting lumped together or worse, getting 'pitied' because somehow whatever EN fuckery is the reason ID imploded. And of course there's probably niji fans that aren't sisters but is stuck between "like your oshii but be branded as sisters" or "hide it but risk not getting noticed" or something like that.

At least on my circle, most of the ID fans there are generally still act like nijisisters, but that's because everything EN do is still blamed as the reason ex-ID imploded and would inevitably lash out at everyone who doesn't know. I did tell them to calm their shit but at some point they call me stupid for not letting them vent in peace (even though being angry all the time isn't healthy but eh, if they want to die with burst blood vessel due to sheer rage be my guest)

And generally yes, they are mostly mixed with other agencies/indies so you can just jump ship if needed. This is especially true for ID fans since it's not exactly hard for the ex-ID talents to return to their PLs and thus they just go to the PL's already existing fanbase or whatever agencies they went to, like Kawaii or ID agencies such as AKA Virtual or whatever.

As Faceless says the Niji fanbase was quite divided even before everything that happened. I think there's not one underlying cause but several, one of them being the idea of "follow who you want", it means there's less sense of unity unless they collabed frequently or are part of the same gen/group. And after everything I feel like that division has only widened. As for jumping ship I feel like a lot of EN fans left as the livers themselves did, but the biggest one seems to have happened with Selen's termination and the ensuing shitstorm that followed.

This is personal but I really felt the part about Niji fans being stuck between "like your oshii but be branded as sisters" or "hide it but risk not getting noticed" . I still want to support the few people I care about in there but I'm not blind to all the mistakes the company and livers have made

Also happy 300 pages

 

[La+ de Central Norte]

Rosemi doesnt deserve the Yamanbas that did this to her work enviroment (whoever they fucking are)
Happy 300 pages

 

[Koronesuki]

I never understood why Niji is the way it is. It just doesn't make sense to me why they are so self-destructive.

I agree. It's really quite strange. Nijisanji's current situation is almost entirely self inflicted.

Look at the Selen termination. All Nijisanji had to do was say that Selen was terminated because she encouraged people to re-upload her video after it was taken down. Her fans might still have been upset, but it would have been hard to argue that it wasn't a valid reason for termination. (We can argue whether or not it was morally wrong, but it was clearly legally wrong, and she probably only did it because she wasn't planning to be alive to face the consequences.)

Instead, they published a laundry list of her supposed crimes in an attempt to assassinate her character. Obviously that didn't go as intended, with the public siding with her and against them, but even if the public had taken their side, what good would it have done them? It might have hurt Doki's career as an indie, but how would that have helped Nijisanji?

It all just seems so bizarre and pointlessly petty for no good reason.

 

[VSoyBoy]

I agree. It's really quite strange. Nijisanji's current situation is almost entirely self inflicted.

Look at the Selen termination. All Nijisanji had to do was say that Selen was terminated because she encouraged people to re-upload her video after it was taken down. Her fans might still have been upset, but it would have been hard to argue that it wasn't a valid reason for termination. (We can argue whether or not it was morally wrong, but it was clearly legally wrong, and she probably only did it because she wasn't planning to be alive to face the consequences.)

Instead, they published a laundry list of her supposed crimes in an attempt to assassinate her character. Obviously that didn't go as intended, with the public siding with her and against them, but even if the public had taken their side, what good would it have done them? It might have hurt Doki's career as an indie, but how would that have helped Nijisanji?

It all just seems so bizarre and pointlessly petty for no good reason.

Did we move on from the miscommunication theory being the prevailing one? I thought the time line was: Doki sends her "This is why I didn't enjoy working for you all that much" list, Niji thinks it's hitting the public next so they rush to get ahead of it, thinking that she is about to assassinate the character of the company and it's employees with her own, presumably massively emotionally charged laundry list. Thus essentially pushing the first draft out the door, which lights the whole thing on fire.

But even then, I don't think the Termination statement was the biggest fuel source. The Doki post where she said she was being silenced and where she confirmed that she tried her hand at High-Rise acrobatics or something similar really made it go nuclear. That could have and probably would have happened even if Niji held back on the petty dirt in the statement.

 

[Kazuma]

Did we move on from the miscommunication theory being the prevailing one? I thought the time line was: Doki sends her "This is why I didn't enjoy working for you all that much" list, Niji thinks it's hitting the public next so they rush to get ahead of it, thinking that she is about to assassinate the character of the company and it's employees with her own, presumably massively emotionally charged laundry list. Thus essentially pushing the first draft out the door, which lights the whole thing on fire.

But even then, I don't think the Termination statement was the biggest fuel source. The Doki post where she said she was being silenced and where she confirmed that she tried her hand at High-Rise acrobatics or something similar really made it go nuclear. That could have and probably would have happened even if Niji held back on the petty dirt in the statement.

I remember Doki had said she didn't want to mention that she tried commit a hero. Had Niji not tried to character assassinate her in the termination letter, Doki probably would not have said what she said.

 

[Tubedude]

But even then, I don't think the Termination statement was the biggest fuel source. The Doki post where she said she was being silenced and where she confirmed that she tried her hand at High-Rise acrobatics or something similar really made it go nuclear. That could have and probably would have happened even if Niji held back on the petty dirt in the statement.

It was possible that Selen wouldn't have posted her follow-up to the termination if it hadn't been a laundry list, or if she did, her follow-up would look worse against a singular valid point. I think it was the combo of the two that led to the blow up being as large as it was.

Were they always like this? How did nobody really bring it up for 5 years? Was all of their success just a fluke or genuine passion and hard work?
Why did EN take so long to implode if things were so horrible? Why did anyone in their right mind sign that contract?
Who actually caused all of the issues? The talent? Management? The people at HQ? The suits? and why did it suddenly become worse? or was it always that bad?

When I watched NijiEN during the first wave period to the end of the "golden 20 only" period, the talents seemed to largely be positive about management. My guess is that management was actually making an effort at first, but then they left for w/e reason. I think the digging through linkedin shit a while ago pointed to some of the management at the time moving to a nft project. The troubles seemed to start around Yugo's graduation/termination, at least publicly, it probably started slightly before that which led to it being the first incident. The AR Live cancellation was probably at the point where old management was fully out since Luxiem did not react happily to the cancellation.

Elira started to majorly complain about overwork and doing behind the scenes things only about a year or two ago. It would make sense this was around the time management shifted all the actual interactions with talents on her and it opened the floodgates. You try small things very carefully at first, you don't just run rampant from the get go.

Do you know if there are any clips of her talking about this stuff?

 

[Nenélove]

It was possible that Selen wouldn't have posted her follow-up to the termination if it hadn't been a laundry list, or if she did, her follow-up would look worse against a singular valid point. I think it was the combo of the two that led to the blow up being as large as it was.

When I watched NijiEN during the first wave period to the end of the "golden 20 only" period, the talents seemed to largely be positive about management. My guess is that management was actually making an effort at first, but then they left for w/e reason. I think the digging through linkedin shit a while ago pointed to some of the management at the time moving to a nft project. The troubles seemed to start around Yugo's graduation/termination, at least publicly, it probably started slightly before that which led to it being the first incident. The AR Live cancellation was probably at the point where old management was fully out since Luxiem did not react happily to the cancellation.

Do you know if there are any clips of her talking about this stuff?

Goes to show how important management really is... Holo was saved from sinking due to staff changes and Niji was brought down from their potential rise by staff changes.

 

[niggaphil]

Niji was brought down from their potential rise by staff changes.

What do you expect the management quality when they are paid less than flipping a fucking burger in USA?