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We've seen this with AI music (barely functional in 2020, now better than nearly everything new on the radio and streaming), and are now seeing it with AI video '90s.

This is an unfair comparison, as real life "talent" musicians have to go through the same music industry studios who only push for a very specific pop-hip-hop modernized beat, which is already so layered with filters, tone adjusters and pitch plasticizers, it begs the question why they even bother with humans still (a: to sell an image and lifestyle, see also: the career of Billy Eillish)

 

[Lazybug]

She live

 

[Security]

This is an unfair comparison, as real life "talent" musicians have to go through the same music industry studios who only push for a very specific pop-hip-hop modernized beat, which is already so layered with filters, tone adjusters and pitch plasticizers, it begs the question why they even bother with humans still (a: to sell an image and lifestyle, see also: the career of Billy Eillish)

Part of the point here is that it's still better than the norm; better than what the majority will take. What is Good Enough and More Convenient will always win out - and it's better than good enough, and it's hard to get more convenient than "insert some lines of text, get song." Additionally, much of the AI music I'm referring to is styles of yesteryear: surf rock, classic rock, 80s new wave, hair metal, big beat, grunge, etc. - far more complex than what the 2010s and on have produced. AI music has already grasped that and more.

Vtubers will be more difficult, especially as it'd combine more AI elements than just speech. However, the advancements I'm seeing in speech, video, text, and response tells me that will take a few more years to get working at an acceptable level. Do not take Neuro-sama (bless her metal heart) as an indication of where such AI will be in a few years, nor as the only indicator of the technology (despite the scene basically only having Vedal doing this sort of thing - I see that changing by next year).

 

[closedblas]

VSPO girls drop an animated MV, in a very conventional style.
something something brave money

 

[God's Saddest Tattletail]

Is this the 'normal' voice or no? I tried looking into older vods (a whole one) and it just sounds slightly lower pitch, but like the kind of lower pitch between speaking energetically and just speaking casually.

If she said she changed some mic settings I don't anyone would even think twice of such a minor difference.

Yeah that seems to be her "natural" voice... hardly any difference at all. She used it during her Twitter Spaces pre-debut and thought it wouldn't match the model so ended up debuting with what she called her "customer service" voice. Apparently she was told she had to use the fake voice as Kilia by the higher-ups at EIEN so I can get having brainworms, but I legitimately cannot imagine someone actually getting upset enough to drop her over something barely more noticeable than a mic change.

 

[Lazybug]

She live

Apparently Globie sent her a message saying she's never ever allowed to talk about the situation ever on any social media or to her friends or family

 

[Aka Split]

Indistinguishable AI vtubers by 2029, calling it.

The "purpose" of a tool is irrelevant to how it functions or will be used. AI music has already reached the point where the vast majority can not tell the difference, and will by the end of the year be perfected. For the minority of people who actually do feel an emotional connection with music, this is going to cause of lot of existential crises. AI vtubers will be the same way.



This is based on the understanding of AI at one point in time. AI games are in its infancy - really, more like proof of concept. They are not how they will be in ten years, five years, or one year. For games, I'm thinking every game will be completely AI generated by 2035.

We've seen this with AI music (barely functional in 2020, now better than nearly everything new on the radio and streaming), and are now seeing it with AI video - which was an amusing mess just a couple years ago, with the latest models being near-real. By the end of the year, there will be very few things it can do. By 2027, full-fledged "live-action" movies will be completely AI generated.

The rate AI has progressed in just five years is insane, and is in my eyes going faster than the advancement of computer technology we saw in the decade of the '90s.

While I'd disagree with a lot of parts of this, the whole premise is irrelevant when it comes to vtubing.
You're talking about 'movies', but vtubers are 'documentaries'. Maybe AI will make you a really awesome 'Terminator 9' movie, but it won't make a factual documentary about endangered whales. It's literally about having a bias for reality, and it will never create reality. Sure AI may trick some people sometimes and will get better at doing so, but 1. it's still not real, and 2. if someone tried to pass it off as real, it will receive backlash when discovered
Like that one documentary where they killed the lemmings, people don't say, "Yeah it was fake, but that was still a really good film, let's watch it tonight and appreciate it as art", if anything they watch it to see how horrible it is or to meme on it, not to appreciate it for it's own sake.

Edit:

If Kiara was a Twitch indie and literally nothing else about her content or the way she carries herself changed, the TVA's collective opinion of her would be about the same as Shylily's.

I hate whores and I agree and am a hypocrite, Kiara is grandfathered in. I'm sure I'd hate her if she were like this and debuted today, but I don't.

 

[MerelyTourist]

Literally the only thing I need to respond to this is the fact that the Squirmini throne would be considered a company account.

Depends on how shitty contract is written.

Disregarding all the PL stuff (which remind you most corpos require a halt to pl activities).

Which is completely unlawful requirement pretty much everywhere in the world unless they are full employees.

And for once id like to see these magical Euro laws come up and show their face. But just like Euros themselves they don't do shit

Euro laws and their enforcement are not universal. It's not even a federation like US, it's much more varied. And generally, only in US employee will be stonewalled by egrigious legal fees, in whole other world this is MUCH more affordable and there are many free options for legal offence (i.e. labor boards and trade comissions, there are countries where they actually work fast).

I wonder what SnailBarbie options are, britain is all kinds of fucked and cucked so i honestly can't even guess how well labor legal stuff works there at a moment.
(She said she generally want to pursue globie/brave legally and will look into it just now)

 

[God's Strongest Wardog]

Apparently Globie sent her a message saying she's never ever allowed to talk about the situation ever on any social media or to her friends or family

Do they mean the highly publicized situation that said former employees of them already made sort-of public, many of their current employees acknowledged up to a point, and that globie themselves posted an awkward "pay no attention to man behind the curtain" notice?

That situation? Kinda fucking late for that.

 

[NeneLOVE]

Part of the point here is that it's still better than the norm; better than what the majority will take. What is Good Enough and More Convenient will always win out - and it's better than good enough, and it's hard to get more convenient than "insert some lines of text, get song." Additionally, much of the AI music I'm referring to is styles of yesteryear: surf rock, classic rock, 80s new wave, hair metal, big beat, grunge, etc. - far more complex than what the 2010s and on have produced. AI music has already grasped that and more.

Vtubers will be more difficult, especially as it'd combine more AI elements than just speech. However, the advancements I'm seeing in speech, video, text, and response tells me that will take a few more years to get working at an acceptable level. Do not take Neuro-sama (bless her metal heart) as an indication of where such AI will be in a few years, nor as the only indicator of the technology (despite the scene basically only having Vedal doing this sort of thing - I see that changing by next year).

INVEST IN AI VTUBERS NOW! WE ARE SO EARLY! YOU WILL DEFINITELY NOT BE LEFT BAGHOLDING!

 

[Todd's Strongest Howard]

I hate whores and I agree and am a hypocrite, Kiara is grandfathered in. I'm sure I'd hate her if she were like this and debuted today, but I don't.

Hate whores, love sluts. Important distinction to make, because whores will charge and will allow anyone, but sluts do it for their own entertainment and still have some standards.

INVEST IN AI VTUBERS NOW! WE ARE SO EARLY! YOU WILL DEFINITELY NOT BE LEFT BAGHOLDING!

I'll buy in at $1.5m, surely this won't backfire on me. You're the TVA legal consultant, you can't possibly be wrong.

 

[SpringKusa]

Apparently Globie sent her a message saying she's never ever allowed to talk about the situation ever on any social media or to her friends or family

why is your font times new roman

 

[Security]

While I'd disagree with a lot of parts of this, the whole premise is irrelevant when it comes to vtubing.
You're talking about 'movies', but vtubers are 'documentaries'. Maybe AI will make you a really awesome 'Terminator 9' movie, but it won't make a factual documentary about endangered whales. It's literally about having a bias for reality, and it will never create reality. Sure AI may trick some people sometimes and will get better at doing so, but 1. it's still not real, and 2. if someone tried to pass it off as real, it will receive backlash when discovered
Like that one documentary where they killed the lemmings, people don't say, "Yeah it was fake, but that was still a really good film, let's watch it tonight and appreciate it as art", if anything they watch it to see how horrible it is or to meme on it, not to appreciate it for it's own sake.

Much of vtubing (outside of twitch WHOO-OOOORES) is from behind digital avatars, with no personal life details. This will be done by AI.

Hell, even the fleshstreamers are suspect to it, as what has been digitally reproduced can be digitally created, which is exactly what AI does.

You put a lot more stock into the majority's care on what is "real" than I do. I once thought that way, but the past fifteen years have shown me, no, it's a niche of a niche that care about what is "authentic" or not. The majority do not give a shit. It's all nice sounds and pleasant pictures, nothing else.

Vtubers may have more resistance to it since itself is rather niche, at least in the West, but from my experience, that niche isn't as cohesive as one might think. In my view, most people who watch vtubers will not notice nor care if the person on the other end is real or not - and this is for the current batch of vtuber watchers. The next generation? They really won't give a shit.

Thanks for coming to my "1990's Computer Nerd into 2010's Experience Developed Doom and Gloom View of the Human Race" TedTalk!

 

[Brosnan Pierce Brosnan]

I fully support robot racism

 

[BioBreak]

Hate whores, love sluts. Important distinction to make, because whores will charge and will allow anyone, but sluts do it for their own entertainment and still have some standards.

Best to think of it in these terms:

- Kiara is the picky date that won't put out until after a few dinner dates

- Shylilly is the girl who'll let herself get spitroasted by two black cocks on a random Wednesday summer night even if the air conditioning is out.

 

[Phantasm]

I fully support robot racism

Do you mean by them or towards them? Because if it's the first I fully agree

 

[tarkanoltr]

Apologies, posted on the wrong thread, let's try this again...



Iofi and Zeta are absent for the typing tournanent, so they have defaulted in their matches against Nerissa and Calli. Riona is now also joining and is going against Chihaya.

 

[Todd's Strongest Howard]

why is your font times new roman

There is a font selection option in the editor. It's generally not worth it though because there's no comic sans.

 

[Brosnan Pierce Brosnan]

Well shit what is the default font

Oh shit nigga

 

[NeneLOVE]

Times does indeed suit me.