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kushami tasukaru

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Question to Ex-Corpo watchers:
Do you think their content improved after they left their Corpo?

We often reference how Kson left Hololive for more talent freedom at Vshojo but all she ever does is get chummy with Gravure Idols. I can respect that, but her content as Coco was just so much better.
Lando/ Caspurr seems to be similar case of someone leaving their corpo only for their content to take a nosedive.

What are some examples of Ex-Corpos clearly taking advantage of their new freedom to make new and better content? And I am asking about the content because its obvious that all the Ex-Nijis are having a better life, but that doesnt mean the content got any good.

I just have the impression that a lot of People just kinda stay the same, like Randon or Dooby. They don't really seem to do much that was actually forbidden before but they didn't turn lazy either.
It will always depend on whether they have a set plan with the will to achieve them also to a certain extent the circumstances of their departure and how they maintain their network.

Two cases from JP.
Suou Patra graduated from 774inc keeping her IP. She still maintains her regular ASMR also with a constant regular gaming/zatsu/cooking schedule (posted regularly) at her own pace (tended to fully explore RPGs as much as she can) so her fans can know what to expect.
She also maintains working relationship with her 774 colleagues and was invited to Inaba Haneru's 3D live last year. Also good networking which expands her to both Cover (as seen with Fubuki and FWMC) and Anycolor (Yorumi Rena and Shiina Yuika) as well as other prominent indies such as Shigure Ui.
Her channel growth is steady and has surpassed everyone in 774inc. Views are stable in 4view territory and fluctuates depending on content (5view for popular Final Fantasy games).
Still has regular JP clippers and when she interacts with holo talents, EN clippers are there.

Yaezawa Natori's graduation from dotLive did not look amicable even before the announcement as she even omitted naming her corpo during her introductions. This shows after her reincarnation as Kayamori Emma as some of her networks also are close to other dotLive members so when there are large collaborations, if there are dotLive members she will not be there therefore reducing her networking potential. Also not sure why but she hasn't even interacted with Asano Ruri even once after reincarnation even though they were quite close during her tine in dotLive (near the end of her corpo time they had an emotional zatsu collab).
She set some goals in her debut stream but doesn't seem to have worked forward to achieving them apart from a couple cover songs and one 3D showcase in three years. Scheduling is inconsistent as well, initially she posted regular schedules but now the only constant thing is the weekend zatsu. Might not feel significant but how fans perceive your effort is important.
In the beginning she retained around 1/5 of her corpo viewers (around 200 CCV) but recently she's dropped to barely over 100 and sometimes dropped to 2view. Channel growth has stagnated around 24k subs despite an initial influx of ex Natori fans finding her and recent outfit updates which gets increasingly more risque (way different than her seiso looking Natori model).
Most of her ex colleagues growth in dotLive has recovered from the Yozakura Tama incident and the recent VPI members have had reasonable growth (Sharaku Setsuna is close to 100k subs).
JP clips have dried up and no EN clips.

Anyways have three hours of Patra sneeze clip compilation from 2018 to 2024.
 

Punished Anime Discusser

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Question to Ex-Corpo watchers:
Do you think their content improved after they left their Corpo?

We often reference how Kson left Hololive for more talent freedom at Vshojo but all she ever does is get chummy with Gravure Idols. I can respect that, but her content as Coco was just so much better.
Lando/ Caspurr seems to be similar case of someone leaving their corpo only for their content to take a nosedive.

What are some examples of Ex-Corpos clearly taking advantage of their new freedom to make new and better content? And I am asking about the content because its obvious that all the Ex-Nijis are having a better life, but that doesnt mean the content got any good.

I just have the impression that a lot of People just kinda stay the same, like Randon or Dooby. They don't really seem to do much that was actually forbidden before but they didn't turn lazy either.
Randon has absolutely improved because, as I said a million times, every zatsu doesn't include the phrase "I'd love to do/play/make X but management...". Plus the topics and streams he does have gotten more unhinged, which is good.

Sure, he can't collab with Kronii or Calli anymore, which is absolutely a shame, but I'll take that if his solo content involves 100% less complaining.
 

White Stone

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Question to Ex-Corpo watchers:
Do you think their content improved after they left their Corpo?

We often reference how Kson left Hololive for more talent freedom at Vshojo but all she ever does is get chummy with Gravure Idols. I can respect that, but her content as Coco was just so much better.
Lando/ Caspurr seems to be similar case of someone leaving their corpo only for their content to take a nosedive.

What are some examples of Ex-Corpos clearly taking advantage of their new freedom to make new and better content? And I am asking about the content because its obvious that all the Ex-Nijis are having a better life, but that doesnt mean the content got any good.

I just have the impression that a lot of People just kinda stay the same, like Randon or Dooby. They don't really seem to do much that was actually forbidden before but they didn't turn lazy either.
Dooby is basically the same so far, if you enjoy Ame you would enjoy Dooby too. She doesn't need to worry about perms anymore which leads to more variation in the games she stream.

One thing I would point out that I know many people wouldn't like, is her streaming on Twitch. When she first started she had a good balance of YT and Twitch streams, but she has been focusing on Twitch only for the past 2 weeks which I hope doesn't stick.

Edit: Also keep in mind that the the things she wants to do (that she wouldn't be allowed to in Hololive), aka vtubing and mocap counseling, are not something that we can observe on stream.
 
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frz

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Question to Ex-Corpo watchers:
Do you think their content improved after they left their Corpo?

We often reference how Kson left Hololive for more talent freedom at Vshojo but all she ever does is get chummy with Gravure Idols. I can respect that, but her content as Coco was just so much better.
Lando/ Caspurr seems to be similar case of someone leaving their corpo only for their content to take a nosedive.

What are some examples of Ex-Corpos clearly taking advantage of their new freedom to make new and better content? And I am asking about the content because its obvious that all the Ex-Nijis are having a better life, but that doesnt mean the content got any good.

I just have the impression that a lot of People just kinda stay the same, like Randon or Dooby. They don't really seem to do much that was actually forbidden before but they didn't turn lazy either.
This is such a loaded question. But I'd like to take a crack at it nonetheless

There are many different kind of corpos,
- Strict corpos who provide support like Hololive, Nijisanji.
- Corpos who provides absolutely nothing at all beside the live2d models. Probs no manager as well. 99% of small corpos kinda are in this category. And most of the industry are small corpos.
- Corpos who allows alot of freedom in content (phase connect before 2024/VShojo) and having 0 restriction at all
- Corpos who literally just fucks you over the ass by locking you into an app that noone uses and you can't even stream games on it.
- whatever Mythic Talent/United Talent are and people are unsure whether they even counted as being a corpo.

But the real answer is, it has nothing to do with restrictions or supports, being ex-corpo or corpo. It's the difference in "competitive environment".


Fauna talked briefly about it here, being surrounded by so many talented people forced her to become better, she started by making a lot of ASMR and hone her craft to be even better at it, before realizing she's actually good at streaming as well. This is why you can see every holo talents shine at something, they are driven by the people around them and pushed to be better.
Even Nijisanji have this, they are just so fragmented that the competitive environment are contained within cliques instead. A few cliques will be hyper competitive while a lot are very... whatever. It's pretty much gone for EN though now people can't see growth.
This is similar to gifted school/big instution like Havard where the teachers/curriculum might not be necessarily better than other instutions, but they just kept getting bigger due to the heavy concentration of talented kids which fostered a competitive environment.

The reason why you see people who were very innovative join VShojo and become settled, complacent, because there's no competitive environment within VShojo itself. Ironmouse, their #1, had her career handled to her by CDawgVA on a platter. Noone really had the drive to be bigger/show off their talents beside .... Zentreya??? Kson entered this environment and staggered. The new recruits in Michi & Matara, seems promising however, they might turn this around or get swallowed by the environment, only time will tell. But honestly the stamp collab event already showed signs of Matara slowing down.

There are indies who you can definitely feel the competitive spirit. They pit the entire indie scene against themselves and forced themselves to be better, Filian/Dokibird falls into this. From the JP side, Tamaki is technically a corpo (she founded it lol), but you can feel her being the same.

Randon/Sakuna/Dooby seems like they are just satisfied being inside their own corner. They don't surround themselves with competitive people and have no drive to do so. It could change and they could open up their circle, some of them literally just left and hasn't had real time to establish themselves. Or it could keep being the same.

There's also an ex-corpo transferred into corpo, from Hololive into Hololive, that you can see a huge increase in content quality and carved their own niche, despite getting less support than ever before.

Arguably the most invested member of Hololive, INNK provided AZki undivided attention from management, she got concerts, shit tons of music and music videos. All the newest development in tech went to her first before anyone else. She kept getting her entire model revamped as an effort of throwing shit at the wall until it sticks with money. Probs a shit ton of advertising money went into her as well.
The INNK project was a failure, the branch closed. She was given the opportunity to leave or stay in hololive with alot less supports and investment. She chose to stay after heavily considered leaving. While she's still technically never left hololive, she experienced a complete change in environment as she transfered from INNK to the main branch, surrounded herself with competitive people and became a geoguesser god and an austistic memelord. Things that wouldn't have happend had she chose to become Nayuta full time and most of us would never have heard of her name again.

Tl;dr: Leaving a corpo/getting more freedom isnt a factor in content changes, a change of environment is.

I am still interested in people who watched ex-small corpos' opinions though since I know nothing about them.
 
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VSoyBoy

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Question to Ex-Corpo watchers:
Do you think their content improved after they left their Corpo?

We often reference how Kson left Hololive for more talent freedom at Vshojo but all she ever does is get chummy with Gravure Idols. I can respect that, but her content as Coco was just so much better.
Lando/ Caspurr seems to be similar case of someone leaving their corpo only for their content to take a nosedive.

What are some examples of Ex-Corpos clearly taking advantage of their new freedom to make new and better content? And I am asking about the content because its obvious that all the Ex-Nijis are having a better life, but that doesnt mean the content got any good.

I just have the impression that a lot of People just kinda stay the same, like Randon or Dooby. They don't really seem to do much that was actually forbidden before but they didn't turn lazy either.
One way in which Michi is at least looking to use her freedom is with merch. She has recently laid out her plan to produce her own merch, not through an established merch company but by herself with prototyping and everything else. She also wants to try doing merch runs without pre-orders by buying stock beforehand, which is more risky but will allow for faster and more convenient shipping. She has already said that this will probably mean that merch will be a little more expensive, but that the quality will reflect that. It will be interesting if she can maybe use her actual fashion designer experience to produce some novel and high quality merch ideas.
For her regular streams, nothing much changed I think.

Kuro has laid out his plans to improve on his content several times but I imagine his financial situation was a big issue that may have stopped him from following through. Luckily he is over that hump now so I'm looking forward to what he can do with the extra spending cash he'll have available.

Aia Amare of NijiEN will have her 3D showcase next Saturday. After her, only Ren, who technically had his 3D reveal at Higuchi Kaede's concert, and Aster Arcadia, who is probably going to be put on hold for a little while longer, are left from those in Iluna.
 

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What are some examples of Ex-Corpos clearly taking advantage of their new freedom to make new and better content? And I am asking about the content because its obvious that all the Ex-Nijis are having a better life, but that doesnt mean the content got any good.
It doesn't always mean that, but it's not completely unrelated either. I watch a lot more of Dokibird than I ever did of Selen (still not a huge amount, but more) and for me she just feels so much happier and more comfortable and that makes her streams a lot more fun to watch. I don't know how much of it is in my head because it's really just vibes rather than anything I can objectively point to, but that's how I feel.
 

LurkerD

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Question to Ex-Corpo watchers:
Do you think their content improved after they left their Corpo?

We often reference how Kson left Hololive for more talent freedom at Vshojo but all she ever does is get chummy with Gravure Idols. I can respect that, but her content as Coco was just so much better.
Lando/ Caspurr seems to be similar case of someone leaving their corpo only for their content to take a nosedive.

What are some examples of Ex-Corpos clearly taking advantage of their new freedom to make new and better content? And I am asking about the content because its obvious that all the Ex-Nijis are having a better life, but that doesnt mean the content got any good.

I just have the impression that a lot of People just kinda stay the same, like Randon or Dooby. They don't really seem to do much that was actually forbidden before but they didn't turn lazy either.

Doki is the only one that i would say 100% defiantly improved after going indie; some like Mint/Random/Dooby/Sayu/etc are basically the same as they were, they have less hoops to jump through, but their content is very similar to what it was. Then you have the rest, those who took their freedom and decided to devolve into react content or worse.
Part time flesh tubing. :vomit:
 

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More Balatro with Layla


Hologra


I don't think that's something everyone would automatically agre to. A female vtuber obviously accepts that some people are going to engage with their character in a sexual manner (whether they like it or not), but it's another thing entirely to make that choice for your mother. Lia has said she's not bringing her mother onto stream any more because it felt like she was exploiting her mother in doing so, for example.
You forgot this?
So some whoretubers even welcome such things:Vesper-UNHINGED:
isnt aradia a landwhale?
Which makes it so funny to see people thirst after her
:architect: - this is one of the most popular smiles on the forum. Any other questions?
 

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Nyana Banyana's concert was on today.



Indie central here, with Lisa and Kai from Idol Corp also making an appearance. If you like indie singers or concerts, maybe there'll be something here for you.

5:03 Stay With Me by Miki Matsubara performed by Kasii (Indie)
10:39 Like A Prayer by Madonna performed by Kai Saikota (Idol Corp)
14:30 Carbonated Love by IRyS performed by Nyana Banyana (Indie)
19:54 You And Me by Lighthouse performed by Chikafuji Lisa (Idol Corp)
23:58 "Mooo!" by Doja Cat performed by Rima Evenstar (Indie)
29:39 Gaostep by Mozumi Pichi (Indie)
35:53 Gimme Love by Joji performed by Nyana Banyana (Indie)
40:20 Bumble Bee by Bambee performed by MariMari_EN (Indie)
43:51 Loli God Requiem by Shigure Ui performed by Nyana Banyana (Indie)
48:39 Blue Bird by Ikimonogakari performed by kasii (Indie)
53:30 SHINKIRO by Houshou Marine performed by Nyana Banyana (Indie) and Maika Mallow (Indie)
58:17 Jason by The Midnight perfomed by Isaa Corva (Indie)
1:04:01 Glue Song by beabadoobee performed by Miniko Mew (Indie)
1:08:30 Idle Summertime by Nyana Banyana (Indie) and Maika Mallow (Indie)
1:11:38 Chika Chika Bang Bang by QUEENDOM perforemed by Shura Hiwa (VJin)
1:13:23 Imawa no Shinigami by Megumi Hayashibara performed by Astrea Natura (Indie)
1:16:43 Conqueror by IA and Sendra performed by Miya Mareena (Indie)
1:20:29 Virtual Pleasure by Obake Pam (Playasia)
1:23:42 The Clarion Call by Cosmograph performed by Obake Pam (Playasia)
1:26:59 Sushi by AlienMixture (Indie)
1:30:44 Intergalactia by IA GLOWB and KIRA performed by Miya Mareena (Indie)
1:34:19 World Is Mine by ryo performed by Shura Hiwa (VJin)
1:39:11 Birds of a Feather by Billy Eilish performed by Miniko Mew (Indie) and Hunii (Indie)
1:42:56 Plastic Love by Mariya Takeuchi performed by Maika Mallow (Indie)
1:47:59 Would You Mind by HYBS performed by Miniko Mew (Indie)
1:51:36 Idol by Yoasobi performed by Nyana Banyana (Indie)
1:55:33 Together by Ellie Minibot (Indie)
1:59:46 Forgotten Words by Mirai Kodai Orchestra performed by Nyana Banyana (Indie)
2:05:21 Miss RGB by The Bikini Bottoms performed by Bao the Whale (Indie)
2:09:42 Snake Eater by Cynthia Harrell performed by Nyana Banyana (Indie)
2:13:44 Final Bow by Bao the Whale (Indie)
2:17:42 Ice Cream Machine (feat Pipkin Pippa) by SO87 performed by Nyana Banyana (Indie)
2:21:21 Burst My Bubble by Bao the Whale (Indie)
2:25:06 Darling Dance by Kairiki Bear performed by Nyana Banyana (Indie)

Good job organizing this, Nyana.
 

kushami tasukaru

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Re:AcT's Usuwa Suu singing at 10PM JST.


AZKi with her relation chart in relation to other JP members at 11PM JST.


Varium's Serenade Oxblood singing at midnight JST.


When Noel aims low (wonder who is more threatened, Lap or her brother)...


Marine aims high.


There's also an ex-corpo transferred into corpo, from Hololive into Hololive, that you can see a huge increase in content quality and carved their own niche, despite getting less support than ever before.

Arguably the most invested member of Hololive, INNK provided AZki undivided attention from management, she got concerts, shit tons of music and music videos. All the newest development in tech went to her first before anyone else. She kept getting her entire model revamped as an effort of throwing shit at the wall until it sticks with money. Probs a shit ton of advertising money went into her as well.
The INNK project was a failure, the branch closed and Hololive wasn't really interested in keeping her. She was given the opportunity to leave then and was heavily considering it. There's an alternative timeline where she chose to become Nayuta full time and most of us will never heard of her name again.
While she's still technically never left hololive, she experienced a complete change in environment, surrounded herself with competitive people and became a geoguesser god and an austistic memelord.

I am still interested in people who watched ex-small corpos' opinions though since I know nothing about them.

AZKi's initial INNK case was a bit different since she was supported before lockdowns as the live event brought in audience and money from ticket sales+livemerch. When people can't get out to venues obviously it's more difficult to support her live activities and other holo members got viewership boosts because everyone was forced home.
 

frz

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Summary of Hololive's gomoku zako event I wrote in live posting

There was another preliminary stream before the grandfinals stream. With Korone, Fuwamoco, Ao, Vivi, Chloe, Zeta "won" their matches. The final games were on this stream.
From @Shuba, an interesting match happened during this preliminary


FWMC went full on aggressive mode... off the game and started talking nonstop. Having a fuwawa who doesn't touch the controller helped, fuwawa also flamed mococo during the game. They managed to confused korone by making cute noises. Korone started copying their noises and lost while not paying attention
Zeta talked a lot of trash, munching on food while saying Ao is so weak and dumb she doesn't even need to focus to beat Ao. She continued the trashtalking inside the game and .....somehow she managed to lose. She coped it as Ao having trained with her father and she would have won if Ao hadn't come prepared.
Korone vs Vivi next, Korone asserted her senpai status/acted like a creep usual korone and inflicted heavy mental damage on vivi. It was very effective, vivi could have won a few times but missed it and she became very distraught and panic. Korone enjoyed bullying Vivi so much she forgot it isn't a game of defense and missed her chance to win as well.
Vivi clutched out the win despite all the mental damage after a long battle. Korone to the final.
Battle of the pon begins even before the game started, with Zeta not being able to invite Chloe
Turned out Chloe didn't turned on wifi for her switch. The technical issues never stopped. They didn't figured out how to connect and it was left to a coinflip. The coin landed on Chloe, Chloe moves to the final as Zeta celebrating her totally deserved win.
Korone vs Chloe
A nailbiter best of 3 worthy of the title weakest in history as they are very closely matched.
- 4 moves into the game, Korone loudly declared "You have already lost" for some reason as everyone is left confused. Subaru asked if she can see the future.
- As the game developed, Judge miko was confused about their super high level gameplay and complained about her being called weak all the time when these 2 exists, while another judge S-san commented that these two might not be the brightest in the shed
- Korone started saying "THREE" really loudly, and frightened everyone. Somehow the strategy worked, she took the first win

- The 2nd game was a fever dream as they started on opposite side of the board, Korone regressed into an elementary child and lost despite starting first.
- The deciding match was extremely close, Korone played very defensively.
- Both Chloe and Korone was 1 move away from winning but kept missing it, the judges started vague posting, miko asked fubuki if she noticed it. Fubuki stayed silent and Subaru said "let the players realize it themselves" and all 3 stopped talking.
- Korone realized first and won. Chloe claimed the title of weakest in hololive history, just in time before she graduates.
Congratulations to the winner of the prized zako gomoku competition
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Todd's Strongest Howard

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isnt aradia a landwhale?



You tell me.



Okay fine, not as figure revealing but she's not that big really, also not some lithe twigbean. :architect: or not, she's still well inside appreciable. Also looking at the makeup shots she posts on this account, makes sense why her model looks the way she does. Props for sticking to an aesthetic I suppose but if she really is looking to break into vtubing then she's got to know that the more fuckable your design gets you more money from desperate simps.
 

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Inuyama Tamaki aka Tsukudani Norio is now forbidding any clipping of her channels and requests any existing clips be deleted. This includes overseas translated ones.


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Seems like a pretty fucking retarded thing to do to me.

Edit: She changed the second tweet.
 
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There's also an ex-corpo transferred into corpo, from Hololive into Hololive, that you can see a huge increase in content quality and carved their own niche, despite getting less support than ever before.

Arguably the most invested member of Hololive, INNK provided AZki undivided attention from management, she got concerts, shit tons of music and music videos. All the newest development in tech went to her first before anyone else. She kept getting her entire model revamped as an effort of throwing shit at the wall until it sticks with money. Probs a shit ton of advertising money went into her as well.
The INNK project was a failure, the branch closed. She was given the opportunity to leave or stay in hololive with alot less supports and investment. She chose to stay after heavily considered leaving. While she's still technically never left hololive, she experienced a complete change in environment as she transfered from INNK to the main branch, surrounded herself with competitive people and became a geoguesser god and an austistic memelord. Things that wouldn't have happend had she chose to become Nayuta full time and most of us would never have heard of her name again.

Tl;dr: Leaving a corpo/getting more freedom isnt a factor in content changes, a change of environment is.

Looking at AZKi's outfit evolution, I'd argue that AZKi was simply miscast. INNK planned for a "Sexy" singer. Something like Marine. Or Choco, if Choco, y'know... could sing.

And while IIRC, AZKi did try to play into it, that role just never fit her.

Her switch to Hololive led to her getting comfortable not because there was suddenly competition, but because she could be who she wanted to be, rather than who she was expected to be.

There are people elevated by competition (Suisei comes to mind), others can be crushed by it (Aqua's more than one meltdown when she wasn't the best).

But AZKi was simply the wrong person for INNK (though there is certainly an argument to be made that singular vsingers are the wrong concept in the first place, considering their history of failing every single time it's been attempted).
 

Poyoyo & Jill

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This is such a loaded question. But I'd like to take a crack at it nonetheless

There are many different kind of corpos,
- Strict corpos who provide support like Hololive, Nijisanji.
- Corpos who provides absolutely nothing at all beside the live2d models. Probs no manager as well. 99% of small corpos kinda are in this category. And most of the industry are small corpos.
- Corpos who allows alot of freedom in content (phase connect before 2024/VShojo) and having 0 restriction at all
- Corpos who literally just fucks you over the ass by locking you into an app that noone uses and you can't even stream games on it.
- whatever Mythic Talent/United Talent are and people are unsure whether they even counted as being a corpo.

But the real answer is, it has nothing to do with restrictions or supports, being ex-corpo or corpo. It's the difference in "competitive environment".


Fauna talked briefly about it here, being surrounded by so many talented people forced her to become better, she started by making a lot of ASMR and hone her craft to be even better at it, before realizing she's actually good at streaming as well. This is why you can see every holo talents shine at something, they are driven by the people around them and pushed to be better.
Even Nijisanji have this, they are just so fragmented that the competitive environment are contained within cliques instead. A few cliques will be hyper competitive while a lot are very... whatever. It's pretty much gone for EN though now people can't see growth.
This is similar to gifted school/big instution like Havard where the teachers/curriculum might not be necessarily better than other instutions, but they just kept getting bigger due to the heavy concentration of talented kids which fostered a competitive environment.

The reason why you see people who were very innovative join VShojo and become settled, complacent, because there's no competitive environment within VShojo itself. Ironmouse, their #1, had her career handled to her by CDawgVA on a platter. Noone really had the drive to be bigger/show off their talents beside .... Zentreya??? Kson entered this environment and staggered. The new recruits in Michi & Matara, seems promising however, they might turn this around or get swallowed by the environment, only time will tell. But honestly the stamp collab event already showed signs of Matara slowing down.

There are indies who you can definitely feel the competitive spirit. They pit the entire indie scene against themselves and forced themselves to be better, Filian/Dokibird falls into this. From the JP side, Tamaki is technically a corpo (she founded it lol), but you can feel her being the same.

Randon/Sakuna/Dooby seems like they are just satisfied being inside their own corner. They don't surround themselves with competitive people and have no drive to do so. It could change and they could open up their circle, some of them literally just left and hasn't had real time to establish themselves. Or it could keep being the same.

There's also an ex-corpo transferred into corpo, from Hololive into Hololive, that you can see a huge increase in content quality and carved their own niche, despite getting less support than ever before.

Arguably the most invested member of Hololive, INNK provided AZki undivided attention from management, she got concerts, shit tons of music and music videos. All the newest development in tech went to her first before anyone else. She kept getting her entire model revamped as an effort of throwing shit at the wall until it sticks with money. Probs a shit ton of advertising money went into her as well.
The INNK project was a failure, the branch closed. She was given the opportunity to leave or stay in hololive with alot less supports and investment. She chose to stay after heavily considered leaving. While she's still technically never left hololive, she experienced a complete change in environment as she transfered from INNK to the main branch, surrounded herself with competitive people and became a geoguesser god and an austistic memelord. Things that wouldn't have happend had she chose to become Nayuta full time and most of us would never have heard of her name again.

Tl;dr: Leaving a corpo/getting more freedom isnt a factor in content changes, a change of environment is.

I am still interested in people who watched ex-small corpos' opinions though since I know nothing about them.

Your best post in this site no doubt Vietfriend
Its all about the environment
Inuyama Tamaki aka Tsukudani Norio is now forbidding any clipping of her channels and requests any existing clips be deleted. This includes overseas translated ones.


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Seems like a pretty fucking retarded thing to do to me.

>Biased reporting
:urtearingmeapart::unauthorizedmemes:
Norio is a retard also she is friends with Miguel LOL

 

MrProcessor

Soldier of Godrick
Joined:  Feb 22, 2023
Question to Ex-Corpo watchers:
Do you think their content improved after they left their Corpo?

We often reference how Kson left Hololive for more talent freedom at Vshojo but all she ever does is get chummy with Gravure Idols. I can respect that, but her content as Coco was just so much better.
Lando/ Caspurr seems to be similar case of someone leaving their corpo only for their content to take a nosedive.

What are some examples of Ex-Corpos clearly taking advantage of their new freedom to make new and better content? And I am asking about the content because its obvious that all the Ex-Nijis are having a better life, but that doesnt mean the content got any good.

I just have the impression that a lot of People just kinda stay the same, like Randon or Dooby. They don't really seem to do much that was actually forbidden before but they didn't turn lazy either.
I think it's almost impossible for graduated talents to do as well as they did at the big corporations because they lose all the resources. I feel especially sorry for people like Sara Nagare who's corporation was kind of big (sponsored by Sony) and then collapsed when the parent company withdrew support and closed the company:



So you see, now that she has a job besides vTubing, is she going to be able to spend as much time as a vTuber? I don't think so.
 

Superduper Samurai

Well-known member
Early Adopter
Joined:  Sep 10, 2022
Inuyama Tamaki aka Tsukudani Norio is now forbidding any clipping of her channels and requests any existing clips be deleted. This includes overseas translated ones.


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Seems like a pretty fucking retarded thing to do to me.

Now im utterly curious on what were people trying to spread if her main reason is "muh biased clipping"

Was it a true autist ala Rainbow Retirees making a retarded agenda or did she geniuenly fuck up and is trying to hide something spicy using the JP law fuckery

Its a pure rrat with no evidence but at this point she opened up herself to "where theres smoke" and shit like that
 

DanchousLoyalHamu

Gyudon is tasty
Joined:  Sep 16, 2022

Surprise Ina stream. Shes currently discussing how for the longest time she wasn’t able to actually get a video game console because her parents wouldn’t allow her to have one.
 
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