"I fucking hate pink vtubers"Pipkin Pippa
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Gumpai having another melty it seems.
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I don't see why Nova hated her first outfit, it looks pretty good in all honesty. Might not fit with her going all in on the card games too much though.
For reference to the one she hates
For reference she wants to make more of.
E-she's not going to stop using the gown, just overall less.
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I literally just got clickbaited into watching this before I opened TVA. This clipper's title and thumbnail game is strong.
How many of them were openly admitting to being minors from the get go? Sexualizing minors is a lot more acceptable in Japan and not as taboo as it is in the West, so there's a very distinct cultural difference in that regard. While vtubing originated in Japan, I think its fair to say some cultural norms just don't belong. For example, the whole Japanese corpo norm of "accept your abuse, keep your head down" collectivism doesn't work in the West. We saw first hand how the West were furious with the Selen shitshow while a lot of Japanese fans didn't give a fuck. Some of them were even upset that Selen fought back against their attempt to destroy her career.
It also doesn't help that the internet has changed substantially in the past 20 years. I was a kid in a top raiding guild on my server in vanilla WoW and they thought it was hilarious to hear a squeaker over teamspeak shit talk an adult after one-shotting them with my full AQ/Naxx gear. I was the little bro/pet retard of the guild that they had fun messing with.
Nowadays I wouldn't trust any kid with a WoW guild because they're very likely going to get groomed. That's not to say there weren't predators online back in the day (there definitely was) but it has certainly become more prominent and widespread. Part of this is because of the troon outbreak and the result of the exponential math of "the groomed become groomers" but it's also because they've realized how many kids are left unattended online with no supervision. We already know there's unironic pedos playing the "haha, it's just loli hentai...haha...it's based off a real person.....haha....so how old are you again?....haha...you're so mature for your age". There's also retards online supporting their grooming by saying "oh, they're just an egg and so-and-so is helping them break out of their egg".
Gura was probably still in middle school when she started putting out content as BrownBeeTV, but those were premade videos not featuring her as a person.
The other side of the coin with the child entertainment thing is that it can easily go the "Parent pockets all the money" route, especially with the slight degree of separation that you have as a vtuber where some dont have exactly known PLs, and if its a child they can very easily just never tell anyone and it would make sense for safety reasons, many vtubers already use vtubing for some of the anonymity
That shit isn't much worse than the western child pageants that used to be accepted and popular enough to have multiple tv shows made about them that ran for several years. Even after that shit got canceled, the exploitation just moved to youtube and their only attempt to stop it was to turn off comments on content with kids in it so people couldn't see all the nasty things people were saying. Tiktok is bad about this as well. All of it is the same type of shit with a different name.
Citing the backlash is completely ignoring the fact that that song and video was and continues to be one of her most popular songs. Not to mention she obviously had a very successful career after that before she even turned 18, so it should be pretty obvious that the general public didn't have any issue with her continued sexualization.
Just this morning I saw there were people on twitter complaining about some 12 year old celebrity that showed up to the premiere of a Disney movie she is wearing a dress that a kid should never be wearing and how the media was praising her for looking "grown up". This sort of thing happens with every child celebrity and makes people a lot of money that know full well who their fans are.
This not a problem that is isolated to Japan in the slightest, even if they are far more blatant about it.
Well that's the favored route. When I see people complain about the hypocrisy of not letting minors in the streaming space because a lot of us were crossing that boundary as kids and playing adult only content like GTA as pre-teens, the difference is the anonymity. When a minor admits to being a minor online, they are putting up a neon sign that attracts the groomers. A lot of us were told growing up about "you're going to get molested" as parents heard horror stories of groomers setting up an IRL meet with their mark and "To Catch a Predator" was scaring a lot of parents. We're also seeing a bell curve of online anonymity relative to age as old folks give out all this info because they don't know better, some (but not all) millenials that grew up with the internet learned to keep certain info private, and now the younger generations are just putting it all out there because social media has been there since day 1 for them.
I wonder how long Haachama's going to stick with it. She's definitely one of the youngest in Hololive and also the most creative but also seems to have ongoing health problems.
Actually there seems to be a disturbing amount of vtubers who have health problems, mental problems, or both.
Actually there seems to be a disturbing amount of vtubers who have health problems, mental problems, or both.
This is a self-fulfilling prophecy in a way, because I can clearly remember a time when I was a kid getting onto the internet for the first time, it was constantly hammered into my head to never tell people who I was or give away personal details. A lot of people of my age at that time were getting the same information but went on with using the internet however and never saw any problems with it and simply developed an image that it's safer than they were told. These people went on then to have their own kids who are hitting their 20s now, and in that span of time not only has the internet become a lot more widespread and common use, but the depredation of even commercial interests into personal information has reached a ludicrous degree where if you're not careful you can be broadcasting your position more or less in real time. Combined with the rise of social media bullshit and it's integration into mainstream culture it's almost become an acceptable part of reality to dox your location and these people, raised by folks that never experienced the dark reality of what can happen when millions of strangers can find your location, never enacted the same protection guidelines for internet utilization. It's worse even further still for actual young children these days being handed internet capable devices as a source of hands-off entertainment without even a single consideration for digital safety.
Trooners are definitely a portion of it, but they're not the sole bad actors. They're just the most visible because a large majority of them exist in a social bubble that demands attention and recognition, everything they do has to be visible to everyone because if they don't get validation then their lives mean nothing. Along with that, the amount of groomers and predators hasn't actually changed, we're just further along now with this technology becoming more integrated into the world, tech literacy is generally a more broad concept (but nowhere near what it needs to be) and we've all seen and heard more and more cases of these things happening that give a much more solid foundation to the knowledge that, yes, if you let teenagers have unrestricted and unmonitored access to the internet someone is going to try to fuck them. We're catching these things happening more both because it's more accessible and more people know the general basics even if they don't really observe safety, as the average person has become more complacent and content to simply sit on their hands and let their opinions be handed to them by the media they consume rather than have any agency of their own.
Well it's also because of the social media aspect in general and the consolidation of the internet. 20 years ago, the internet community was split up across numerous small ponds and people didn't come across the dark reality of the internet because it just didn't happen in their pond. Predators would have to hop around ponds to find their prey. Now that the web is consolidated, everyone is in one big lake and the kids are drawing more attention to the fact that they're kids.
Well i was mostly speaking less around the scenario of a kid doing Vtubing by themselves and more of how more corporate or managed kids channels often have horror stories of the parent jewing out the kid out of revenue, i forgot how many times it has happened but i do recall a couple stories out there in the grapevine about shit like that
'So Proctor, why exactly do you hope for Armageddon in your lifetime?' - people who don't know.
No places for kids and only kids on the net anymore, and everyone has forgone internet safety. Kids have not heard the idea of protecting their identity because the identity protection is now against the culture of the internet at large. You're supposed to have your facebook, twitch, instagram, tiktok, all linked together. Due to what I do for a living I have seen first hand how readily and generally unprompted kids will post their address, images of themselves etc with no thought beyond they felt like it.
To have a safe place for kids on the net would require a fundamental shift back to the old days of kids zones with strict preemptive moderation and the destruction of social media as it is today.
So ya know, outlook bleak. Please watch your kids if you have them.
Also as much as I think Haachama is a very strong person, I imagine that the unfiltered access to the net and fame has had some negative impact on her life so ya know, just because she survived it doesn't mean she should of had to deal with it in the first place.
To have a safe place for kids on the net would require a fundamental shift back to the old days of kids zones with strict preemptive moderation and the destruction of social media as it is today.
So ya know, outlook bleak. Please watch your kids if you have them.
Also as much as I think Haachama is a very strong person, I imagine that the unfiltered access to the net and fame has had some negative impact on her life so ya know, just because she survived it doesn't mean she should of had to deal with it in the first place.
Don't forget about Haachama's former genmate Hitomi Chris. I think she was underage as well. If so, her story is an example of why minors shouldn't be vtubers.
She's still younger than a lot of the JP members, but some of the EN members are close to her age, or not much older. Laplus is younger than her, if I'm not mistaken. Some of the DEV_IS members might be younger than her as well.
Her health seems to be better lately. Hopefully she stays healthy. Haachama love!
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