Truly the cutest stickup of all time.I can't believe FuwaMoco are holding people at gunpoint and forcing them to work for them for free.
Truly the cutest stickup of all time.I can't believe FuwaMoco are holding people at gunpoint and forcing them to work for them for free.
Gen 2 did just switch over to brand accounts recently as apparently they weren't before, Pippa mentioned Gen 1 always was, and lost all the wrenches and shit they had so it possible fucked up their ban lists as well. You mention Airi still has you banned so it could also mean nothing but figured I'd mention it as a potential detail.Just an FYI I did get universally banned from PC. I just think Shiina did some sort of ban reset and they forgot to reban me. I don't have another vtuber account and my superduper account isn't a brand account as far as I know because I've gotten member gifts in the Chinchilla and Kirsche chats. I'm still banned from Pippa's chat and Airi's chat. Haven't checked Wemi's chat because she's just been streaming too early for me lately.
Why is this a thing? Do they see it as wrong because "Honor of victory is besto rewardo no money needed" or something? I seriously cannot comprehend oriental autism.Especially since Japan is still autistic about monetary rewards for contests. It took decades for fighting game tournaments to be able to start giving cash rewards in Japan.
You doooon't geeeet iiiiitttttttttttt! REEEEEEEEEEE! THE FILTHY DOGS SHOULD BE BOWING TO THE ARTISTS FOR EVEN INHABITING THE SAME SPACE!I can't believe FuwaMoco are holding people at gunpoint and forcing them to work for them for free.
While Merch is their primary profit generating section, it's always terrible economics & business practice to think the profit center is ever actually disassociated from core business. (Many a MBA has destroyed companies because of this fairly basic principle, so this isn't a shot.) Cover's core is still their tech (or collection of tech, realistically, and the way it interacts with outside vendor tech), and the the idols drive that forward while also paying for more to be done with it.I dunno, right now, I feel Cover has moved on from the technology company model. Right now, and this is reflected in the CEO's own interviews, Cover is a merchandising company using 2D video game streamers as their IP, and providing them with 3D and music production opportunities. Even their future projects like HoloEarth are in service to selling merch or digital goods based on their IP. If you look at the business model, at no point in the future is it likely the tech itself is going to be the product.
In that sense, the unfortunate thing is that everything extra a talent tries to draw from Cover has to be in service to brand development. So sure, Cover is a massive music publisher. But at the same time, even talents quite successful in music don't really make enough from it to be self-perpetuating, and mostly benefit from personal brand development or audience expansion. Kiara for example, every single one of her originals has broken 1 million YT views and most are in the 3-4 mil range, yet she is on the record that her quite successful music about breaks even, and she does it because she wants to and to keep herself in the game.
So sure, someone could publish weekly or biweekly remixes and monthly originals... if they self-funded them, which few talents in the company can afford... or if Cover already saw them as a Suisei/Calli-tier artist and had a larger vested interest in pushing their careers. The only way to make it work would be someone who can self-produce music, which StarsEn doesn't have right now. Or you could also argue that Cover themselves should change the model to fund and push even more music, which I would be in favor.
I generally agree on the audience issue, that's part of why Tempus were initially received so well - the "group of bros" dynamic drew the existing male audience while still able to draw on women. But finding the right programming is the Achilles heel of most creators, and while corporate vtubing tends to dabble too far on the side of shallow content, there's also a risk that when people do branch out they instead niche themselves straight into a black hole. This is how you get people like Baelz spamming out twenty-two streams of Persona 5, or Finana playing nothing but Honkai, FF16, and the Somnium Files for three months straight. And sure, that's horrible for business development, but the creators aren't thinking that way, they're often perfectly happy where they are. Corporate games permissions make this even more difficult. For example, Lando recently jumped on Genshin, which is a great mixed-audience anime game that's currently popular... but not possible at all while under Cover.
That said it's true that there are huge, non-gaming sections of YT where there's no reason a corporate vtuber couldn't succeed. I think the best talent in the company right now in this regard is Shiori, who has done exactly three solo gaming streams total since her debut almost four weeks ago. Of course for StarsEn in particular, Vesper ended up torpedoing the D&D game by getting suspended, and the first form of the Tempus podcast also fell through (possibly for the same reason), so it's not like they weren't trying, it just didn't work out.
You're not wrong about network effects either, but of course those only develop if a group does enough together to be known together. I think the best example of outside-collab network effect in the entire company is Roberu, who is basically known now because of his outside-company collab partners. Is there anyone else in the entire company who does enough outside the company to have benefited from it? Maybe the Trash Taste collab as I still encounter people to this day who were introduced to vtubers through it.
Allllllll that to say, I think there's a lot of competing interests in talent preferences vs audience growth vs overall brand development that get in the way of taking full advantage of Cover's strengths and opportunities.
Why is this a thing? Do they see it as wrong because "Honor of victory is besto rewardo no money needed" or something? I seriously cannot comprehend oriental autism.
You doooon't geeeet iiiiitttttttttttt! REEEEEEEEEEE! THE FILTHY DOGS SHOULD BE BOWING TO THE ARTISTS FOR EVEN INHABITING THE SAME SPACE!
Artfags deserve death by AI, I will never comission anything just to spite them, learn to code fággots.
See, you just can't stop.I'm not contrarian towards you, I just don't agree with you on a lot of things.
And by a fellow Tsunderia SadgirlPiggy Porkuro mogged again
Violence will continue to escalate! BAU BAU~ NIGGA!!I can't believe FuwaMoco are holding people at gunpoint and forcing them to work for them for free.
They did this all the time as MAKIRA, it was one of their draws, they had fun sharing shit viewers made for them. God forbid viewers shower their idols with affection!I'm starting to believe you have femboy tendencies by siding with that guy You can argue fuwamoco are being cheap for asking for "free labor" but to me it looks more like doing something to get the community involved. Also fuckers sperg over it as if someone is fucking forcing them to put their hat in the ring. If you're an artist who scoff at the idea of not being paid for all you do is fine, no one is forcing you, move on but being a bitch publicly looks worse on you. This seems more for the people who want to get involved and don't mind burning time to maybe get a way into holo. Don't tell me that you wouldn't do free work if you had the chance to have the same spot as kanauru within holo.
I can't believe FuwaMoco are holding people at gunpoint and forcing them to work for them for free.
Truly the cutest stickup of all time.
The Hololive summer event right now, Summer Splash Party, has English subtitles for some parts:
Pretty cool and an indication they might have live TL in the future
There are interest in the west (or maybe SEA) but some are due to pairings like OreApo. Gaming skills are priority but I remember Asumi Sena joined first before getting good (considering she was ex Re:AcT and one of the better VSpo singers).Another prime example of why I fucking despise artists nowadays, entitled fags who would charge you for drawing a stick figure on a napkin or whistling while inside your house. I hope AI eventually does replace these people because fucking hell I cannot stand this crap.
Pretty much the same as the industry standard, though they do ask for your highest rank in games and what games you play (obviously FPS autism check) and they ask for 2 videos instead of one, one introduction and one showcase of ability. Singing ability is not a priority.
VSPO sounds good for gamers and people who like that sort of thing but not much else, they have basically no notoriety in the west and mostly feed off of nip FPS addiction, the vtuber thing is a gimmick for the most part, they could be fleshtubers and nothing would change since the appeal is the gaming skill.
Talking about paying in exposure, as long as you know and you can take advantage of it, should be fine. Looking at his bitching, his lot seemed to be with the Guardian publication types, the moralising people who didn't practice what they preach.This in a way goes hand in hand with "paying in exposure". No one is forcing anyone to do anything. If you like the idea and want to participate, join up. If you don't then don't.
Don't tell me that you wouldn't do free work if you had the chance to have the same spot as kanauru within holo.
You doooon't geeeet iiiiitttttttttttt! REEEEEEEEEEE! THE FILTHY DOGS SHOULD BE BOWING TO THE ARTISTS FOR EVEN INHABITING THE SAME SPACE!
Artfags deserve death by AI, I will never comission anything just to spite them, learn to code fággots.
A new thread to livepost.
For newcomers, liveposting is a colloquial term for posts that are commentary for ongoing streams; usually short and reactionary in nature.
Including timestamped links in your post to whatever you're babbling about at the time is a highly appreciated gesture.
Any commentary regarding streams that are already over or haven't even begun yet should go in the General Thread, located here.
Also credit to @masterstocking for somehow semi-predicting the thread title. If I didn't add this now I could be accused of stealing the bit.
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Clarifying Edit: Pippaposting stays in its own containment zone.
Kirsche is currently eating, or attempting to eat Kimchi at the moment. I have a feeling she's about to throw up.
Also never eaten curry before.
>CatalanHis operation is too small so its a bad idea.
And even if he had the organization, it would still be a bad idea as right now the market situation would make it the worst timing for a company to go public.
Probably a Tencent plant
You probably never heard of a word called "investment". Where you spend money (or in this case do free labor) because you think there is a solid chance it will result in even bigger payout in the future. And getting your work featured on a huge stream seems like a very solid idea. It's almost like we have definitive examples, that if you are good it will serve as a massive boost to your career. If anything your point of view is hugely twisted and not in the right direction. If a 1view goes to your dm asking for free assets you have nothing to gain out of it, don't do it and instead ask for money. If you see your favorite streamer is using dova syndrome bgm, or no emotes, or crappy thumbnails - prostrate before them and ask if you can do it for free, because a couple days of work will get a ton of eyes on you and maybe their friend will commission you next time or even more people.Under my own conditions and timeline? Sure, maybe. Under Hololive's? No. Cut a check. My landlord doesn't accept rent payment in "chances."