General Thread v2: Enhanced Segregation Techniques!

[Egg the Boiled]

Is it the collab begging or aknowledging the fact that people will shit on the stars at the first opportunity? Gotta make up your mind.

It's the constant victim complex. Absolutely determined to say that everyone is out to get the poor Holostars. There's detractors, but there's detractors of every company. Half the people that "shit on" Holostars here just do it because it gets a reaction.

Yeah to be honest I don't get what's so scary about Unicorns and Homobeggars being more annoying than usual

It's not scary per say, it's just stupid for a talent to show how much the unicorns make him seethe.

 

[Superduper Samurai]

It's the constant victim complex. Absolutely determined to say that everyone is out to get the poor Holostars. There's detractors, but there's detractors of every company. Half the people that "shit on" Holostars here just do it because it gets a reaction.


It's not scary per say, it's just stupid for a talent to show how much the unicorns make him seethe.

Some Homo fans do have that victim complex but they're broken clocks with the irrational autism the Homos get thrown at, vtubing is full of schizos with an axe to grind and the Homos do have a pretty big target compared to others of their size imo
I think Homos being overhated, Unicorns being annoying, Jurard being retarded, and the anti-unicorns also being fucking retarded are all true to certain extents and none of them really cancel each other out

 

[ValkyrieAce]

StarsEN just need to stay in that lane of being like AAA minor league stars in the indies and ignoring Hololive. It's been working out pretty well for them.

 

[USS IOWA]

It's the constant victim complex. Absolutely determined to say that everyone is out to get the poor Holostars. There's detractors, but there's detractors of every company. Half the people that "shit on" Holostars here just do it because it gets a reaction.


It's not scary per say, it's just stupid for a talent to show how much the unicorns make him seethe.

It's not a complex if there a sizable portion of the fanbase has an axe to grind just because you said hi to their oshi, Don't you forget that Armis is nearly a year in the company and this is the only time Jurard said something about the unicorns. There's nothing wrong to tell people that they're dumbasses once in a while.

 

[Seth]

You Yamanbas are autistic. Truly the best forum on the internet.

 

[Superduper Samurai]

StarsEN just need to stay in that lane of being like AAA minor league stars in the indies and ignoring Hololive. It's been working out pretty well for them.

My two cents really makes me feel like it is kinda stupid that the general culture had to form like it did to the point where literal co-workers even have to have a lane even when they're both streamers working for the same company
I dont think anyone should need to be forced to collab with men or collab with women, or that they need to have a quota, but i cant help but think that certain bits like FWMC being dead silent the moment they popped up is really fucking dumb, Kiara of all people which always got the meme of hating men (which is not true) handled shit like that with little issues

She had never interacted with men either JP or EN, Vesper did it on a whim and did it because he literally didnt give a fuck almost a tiny bit like Jurard here
and Kiara's reaction was to politely thank him for the raid, and yap about what she was doing to people who probably liked it, FWMC being kinda silent is just kinda meh in that



Again, i know im dogging too much on the twins, i like em, and they're probably just inexperienced and/or saw the potential autism they'd have to deal with, cant blame them for choosing something that they thought wouldnt draw attention, but it just kinda sucks that it built up to be like that

 

[ValkyrieAce]

I'm just saying, all their collabs and whatnot with indies are received positively. No one bitches when they collab with anyone outside of Holo.Path of least resistance and they get treated like an actual big deal when they do.

 

[Egg the Boiled]

It's not a complex if there a sizable portion of the fanbase has an axe to grind just because you said hi to their oshi,

Holostars absolutely doesn't get as much recognition as Hololive, but male vtubers are generally more niche. For the rest... it's vtubing. Everyone has an axe to grind against everyone else for ridiculous reasons.

Holostars fans are obnoxious because they act like they're the only people who deal with hate. I say that as a Holostars fan.

You Yamanbas are autistic. Truly the best forum on the internet.

Why are you so upset about this champ?

 

[niggaphil]

Well, all these Unicorns stupid shits convinced me that they won't be able to find partners and reproduce. It is good for our future generations

 

[El Rrata]

Him talking about them like once in a blue moon is " focusing so much on them "? I guess we dont have the same definition of it. And no, he's not talking about 4chan. They're screeching on twitter everytime there is a male-female interaction.

I love how fhey get criticized for wanting to laugh at unicorns. Holostars really cant win huh? They're okay as long as they stay in the shadow of hololive. If they even try to get out of the shadow everyone points at them for being out of line.

I really feel like you are trying hard to dodge the point of all this. It isn't about Unicorns being objectly retarded or not or deserving total unicorn death, because they are and do. The problem is this is not a winning "battle". They are trolls. Trolls thrive off engagement and getting a rise out of their target.

Openly talking about how much he loves owning the unicorns is not going to get them "out of the shadow of the girls" in any way. If anything it is just going to make his situation worse. Their fans being obsessed with collabs with the girls is also not going to help get them get more popular, considering that implies they can't do it without the girls.

This isn't some "hurr durr he is coming out of the shadows how dare he" thing. I have literally always been positive about him openly interacting with holomems and saying shit like how his oshi is Pekora and how Octavio will sing any other holo's song without worry. This is him DIRECTLY coming out and fanning flames. I don't know if you just don't realize it, but there are absolutely Tempura that actively engage in straight-up anti behavior and justify it through how the unicorns treat the males. This shit just emboldens them to continue it. If you don't believe me, just read any YT comment section, Nyfco archives of the girls they hate, Twitter, the Stars Reddit under any comment section about collabs between boys and girls, etc.

You people think that the Ban button hasn't been invented yet.

The issue is the talents and Cover literally don't use it. Then you get a bunch of retards from all over coming into streams and shitting up chat, SCs, and comments. If the constant bombardment of morons didn't bother the talents, then we wouldn't be in this situation in the first place. Increasing the number of retards affects EVERYONE not just Jurard.

 

[Titanosaurus]

I love how much Shiina laughs at herself when she puts the TTS in Dan.


Remi is bringing back wholesome sieso gooning just like the old days


I've only watched Jurard in that wrestling thing and I thought he was very professional.

 

[Seth]

Why are you so upset about this champ?

I just didnt feel like poisoning the forum with more boring arguments. Its not that deep.

 

[Topo Chico]

its so over? we're back?

 

[Aka Split]

I'm just saying, all their collabs and whatnot with indies are received positively. No one bitches when they collab with anyone outside of Holo.Path of least resistance and they get treated like an actual big deal when they do.

Ehhh, it was getting pretty close to 'complain-worthy' when they started getting in the vicinity of people like 39daph.
It's totally different from unicorn complaints, but there's still basic human decency that you have to be concerned about, and when you collab with subhumans like her you're walking close to the edge.

 

[El Rrata]

Ehhh, it was getting pretty close to 'complain-worthy' when they started getting in the vicinity of people like 39daph.
It's totally different from unicorn complaints, but there's still basic human decency that you have to be concerned about, and when you collab with subhumans like her you're walking close to the edge.

Well, considering the one who did that hasn't been in Stars for over a year, I don't think that is much of an issue at this point.

 

[God's Strongest Mozumite]

The 2024 Expo stream, yes.

Well I would consider your version of events to be overly charitable, Fuwamoco snubbing the guys like that live on stream was pretty shitty of them, but even I would acknowledge the blame ultimately lies on Cover for putting them in a (from their perspective) lose-lose situation in the first place. People who have a problem with behavior should be taking it up with management, not calling for their heads.

My two cents really makes me feel like it is kinda stupid that the general culture had to form like it did to the point where literal co-workers even have to have a lane even when they're both streamers working for the same company

It's really Cover's fault for wanting to have their cake and eat it too. They're smart enough to acknowledge the market for male vtubers and the need to compete in that sphere, but they can't risk normalizing the branch without losing out on precious simpbucks. The worst part is there really isn't a way to improve the Holostars situation without Cover taking a hit in some way, be it to or their bottom line, neither of which I'd like to see happen. As it is, at least the Stars got to be in 5th Fest, even if FWMC wish they didn't.

It's funny how the gender dynamic has played out in the big corpos, Cover has it so the girls are the main attraction while the guys are second-billing, whereas it's apparently the opposite in Niji (EN) thanks to Luxiem. Obviously Vshojo is the only future for gender equality in vtubing, anyone can get it so long as they have clout

 

[Superduper Samurai]

Obviously Vshojo is the only future for gender equality in vtubing, anyone can get it so long as they have clout

i know this is half a joke but i honestly think that if they had more men in they would have some wierd issues like this form up, Kuro literally doesnt even stream and his menhera moments are all focused on himself and not outside drama, Zen of course is politely viewed as a woman when he isnt

 

[USS IOWA]

I'm gonna agree to disagree on the whole Stars thing cause look at this shit,

What the hell happened Indonesia? You drop faster than Niji stocks now.

Edit: Oh wait am dumb it's the Yen that is falling not the Rupiah, Yay cheap merch!

 

[White Stone]

Well I would consider your version of events to be overly charitable, Fuwamoco snubbing the guys like that live on stream was pretty shitty of them, but even I would acknowledge the blame ultimately lies on Cover for putting them in a (from their perspective) lose-lose situation in the first place. People who have a problem with behavior should be taking it up with management, not calling for their heads.

I feel like Fuwamoco were fully aware of what they were getting into. Stars being part of Super Expo has been a thing since 2022 they would have known about that. And that's all assuming they weren't brief about what they are going to do on that stream.
They choose to proceed anyway either because:
1) they didn't expect many to get triggered by a few(?) seconds of silent
2) they fully expected people to get mad but didn't care since those who would have gotten mad wouldn't be their fans anyway

As it is, at least the Stars got to be in 5th Fest, even if FWMC wish they didn't.

Correction. As I have mentioned above, the Stars were part of Super Expo exhibition, but not HoloFes. Cover will probably never include Stars in HoloFes.

 

[BlueSharkTV]

at least the Stars got to be in 5th Fest, even if FWMC wish they didn't.

I don't know why some of you niggas think FWMC hate stars, they just don't want to interact with men like a lot of other holos, it isn't something new and besides Ina literally did the same thing they did on the very same stream yet I don't see anyone shitting on her, and the same goes for biboo and even IRyS to some extent.