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Ｍｕｒｒａｙしないで · Feb 23, 2025

TKN_Lurker said:
Is anyone tired of more micro corpo crash outs?

Ghost archive is being dumb on me so here's screenshots.

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https://t.co/YCCm4ScytD (Open in incognito. Google Doc link of CEO response)

Tldr: CEO of Hero Factory is threatening litigation on their own talent for allegedly disparaging the company. Btw, they are not related to the Lego toyline named Hero Factory. Just a coincidence.

PDF archive of Hero Factory's doc (it was too big to attach): https://files.catbox.moe/kznpkr.pdf

I would think whatever attorney River (HF's CEO) is consulting would be advising him not to post such a document. I also think it would be better if he left out the "I've been losing money on this thing btw" part at the beginning but not having seen the stream he's replying to, maybe I'm missing context.

An indie "Eldritch Space Pirate Lewdtuber/ASMRtist/Villain/Memelord" named Adonis Thuul QRTed the Hero Factory tweet and dropped his own doc about maltreatment by River at Twitchcon:

Adonis Thuul 🐙🌌🏴‍☠️ on X: "I was really afraid to share my story after what had transpired at Twitchcon. I was threatened not to release this document, but at this point I don't care what happens to me... My Issues with @/Riverthebard... https://t.co

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The PDF for that one was small enough to attach. tldr is that Adonis was supposed to be a "promoter" for HF but was instead treated as a servant, made to carry bags, give up the bed in the room he paid for, fetch water and the like. Definitely on the tame side of the scale of Twitchcon horror stories but if true it speaks of River being a bit of a prima donna.

An indie named Corvo Apollo ("Streamer, Writer, Editor, Goofball (He/Him)") also QRTed the post with this bit of mockery:

Archiving in progress.....

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I don't feel like I know all that much about the situation yet and certainly can't say if anyone is really right or wrong but from what I've seen so far, the CEO and the talents all seem like young people who are trying to handle Professional Business Professionally but going about it rather poorly.

Edit: Podge appears to have or once had some acquaintance with our old friend Krimbo as he gave a speech as the "maid of honor" at a "wedding" between her and another talent. Props to SarkastikMadman on the Groomcord for sharing this screenshot back in September 2024:

However, that QRT no longer appears if you look at the list of quotes on the actual tweet, so make of that what you will.

frz · Feb 23, 2025

I Wanna Die said:
It's become clear that if it wasn't for her illness she'd just be another e-girl instead of a vtuber.

It's a shame cause I actually enjoyed her streams when I used to watch on occasion, especially her karaoke.

is that really the case for ironmouse 3 years ago
First time I saw ironmouse was around that time and she was cloutchasing really hard even then so I never had this "respect" for her.
And a few other times I saw CDawg carrying her around in conventions

Did the vtubing side really respect her that much?

Phantasm · Feb 23, 2025

frz said:
Is the vtubing side really respecting her that much

At this point I don't know if it's really respect for her or fear that even the slightest criticism of her will get a legion of mindless simps on your ass pulling the disability card to cover all of her many flaws because that's the only thing that makes her stand out and gives her an advantage over everyone else at this point

TKN_Lurker · Feb 23, 2025

Ｍｕｒｒａｙしないで said:
PDF archive of Hero Factory's doc (it was too big to attach): https://files.catbox.moe/kznpkr.pdf

I would think whatever attorney he's consulting would be advising him not to post such a document. I also think it would be better if he left out the "I've been losing money on this thing btw" part at the beginning but not having seen the stream he's replying to, maybe I'm missing context.

An indie "Eldritch Space Pirate Lewdtuber/ASMRtist/Villain/Memelord" named Adonis Thuul QRTed the Hero Factory tweet and dropped his own doc about maltreatment at Twitchcon:

Adonis Thuul 🐙🌌🏴‍☠️ on X: "I was really afraid to share my story after what had transpired at Twitchcon. I was threatened not to release this document, but at this point I don't care what happens to me... My Issues with @/Riverthebard... https://t.co

ghostarchive.org

The PDF for that one was small enough to attach. tldr is that Adonis was supposed to be a "promoter" for HF but was instead treated as a servant, made to carry bags and fetch water and the like. Definitely on the tame side of the scale of Twitchcon horror stories but if true it speaks of River being a bit of a prima donna.

An indie named Corvo Apollo ("Streamer, Writer, Editor, Goofball (He/Him)") also QRTed the post with this bit of mockery:

Archiving in progress.....

ghostarchive.org

I don't feel like I know all that much about the situation yet and certainly can't say if anyone is really right or wrong but from what I've seen so far, the CEO and the talents all seem like young people who are trying to handle Professional Business Professionally but going about it rather poorly.

It really does feel that way from the replies I've seen. The Ceo was way over his head in doing ambitious projects without any of the skill nor money to properly make it work. And after some digging, it turns out the whole inciting incident was that the entire Gen 1 Vtubers under Hero Factory decided to terminate their contracts simultaneously and it caused this absolute mess of a dumpster fire later on.

Edit: It gets even funnier mates. That guy on the top left? He's simultaneously the Ceo and a vtuber that streams under his own branch while also working full time as a 'boss' with his genmates. I think everyone involved has absolutely zero idea on how to manage a corpo.
https://herofactory.ca/#talent (Direct Link)

Hero Factory | Ghostarchive

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frz said:
is that really the case for ironmouse 3 years ago
First time I saw ironmouse was around that time and she was cloutchasing really hard even then so I never had this "respect" for her.
And a few other times I saw CDawg carrying her around in conventions

Did the vtubing side really respect her that much?

That answer is yes unfortunately. The combination of her illness and the fact she wanted to achieve her dreams played a lot into the intial positivity and reception of her career. Many sympathized with her as this sad young girl who just wished to fulfill her lifelong goal as an idol in spite of her disability and it made for a good sob story. Even to this day, Hololive members still cite her as this pillar of vtubing and pioneer. It's definitely a lot of rose tinted glasses that keep this imaginary respect she has around her audience.

Willemshaven · Feb 23, 2025

Pekora and Miko react to Aqua's appearances in holo8 (Exit8 but hololive).

Cecilia shows Calli her magic trick in Elden Ring.

Miko wrote a scenario for Iroha.

Matsuri and Koyori test how compatible they are with each other.

Superduper Samurai · Feb 23, 2025

frz said:
is that really the case for ironmouse 3 years ago
First time I saw ironmouse was around that time and she was cloutchasing really hard even then so I never had this "respect" for her.
And a few other times I saw CDawg carrying her around in conventions

Did the vtubing side really respect her that much?

Ironmouse is pretty much the face of vtubing for twitchfags and her bubblegirl side makes it an easy sell for pity/shield for criticism
I feel like she desperately wants to have actual "respect" considering VSJ originated as a coomer company before pivoting hard into le talent freedom. Considering actual twitch whores had gotten clout due to the alleged coomer CEO

People have said it before but Iron would lack even half of her clout if she didnt have the bubblegirl buff. She might've not even been a vtuber if she didnt have or appear to have her condition

Brosnan Pierce Brosnan · Feb 23, 2025

frz said:
is that really the case for ironmouse 3 years ago
First time I saw ironmouse was around that time and she was cloutchasing really hard even then so I never had this "respect" for her.
And a few other times I saw CDawg carrying her around in conventions

Did the vtubing side really respect her that much?

I said it then, I'll say it now. I don't know how truthful her PL story is. But the whole Cdawg shit from back in the day was a clear "feels" manipulation to elevate both of their numbers. It was so transparent it might have well been out of Oprah Winfreys playbook on how to accelerate fame. Clip channels ate that shit right up, and Cdawg latching onto the normie anime sphere at the time meant that she could ride that shit too. Just a few clips, bada Bing baby

dumdum did nothing wrong · Feb 23, 2025

I Wanna Die said:
Ludwig now has a vtuber model.

Be sure to thank Ironmouse.

Thank God he's so fucking boring that nothing will actually come of this. I assume his fans would probably have a stroke if they ever had to watch anything more engaging than paint drying so that should filter them nicely.

Oh hell naw

fuck you ironmouse this is your fault.

Jolted Cookies · Feb 23, 2025

Clara doin' a late night karaoke

Thomas Talus · Feb 23, 2025

Brosnan Pierce Brosnan said:
I said it then, I'll say it now. I don't know how truthful her PL story is. But the whole Cdawg shit from back in the day was a clear "feels" manipulation to elevate both of their numbers. It was so transparent it might have well been out of Oprah Winfreys playbook on how to accelerate fame. Clip channels ate that shit right up, and Cdawg latching onto the normie anime sphere at the time meant that she could ride that shit too. Just a few clips, bada Bing baby

The real truth behind CDawg?

TKN_Lurker · Feb 23, 2025

A small update to the Hero Factory vtuber micro corpo implosion. Some digging led to me finding the Ceo's social media links. His Bluesky caught my interest and man...I was not ready for the picture he posted on his public main. (If you don't want to look, it's a hairy bearded man in a maid outfit.)

In comparison, this is what he looks like in his vtuber persona.

Explains a lot on why it died doesn't it?

Phantasm · Feb 23, 2025

TKN_Lurker said:
Explains a lot on why it died doesn't it?

Koe?

Ｍｕｒｒａｙしないで · Feb 23, 2025

Regarding the Hero Factory situation, someone named Konotomo, who claims to be a lawyer, is going over the HF doc as well as a spreadsheet listing out the talents' complaints - if that spreadsheet is public somewhere I haven't been able to find it. He's over an hour in now so I'll probably download the VOD and rewatch it from the beginning once he's done. River, Podge, and SocksPR of all people have been in chat.

Also, apparently the Podge VOD is available after all. I'm downloading it and will give it a watch.

Edit: She starts her stream by saying "Hello, my Podgechamps!" and my hatred for Twitch and its culture grows just a little bit more.

TKN_Lurker · Feb 23, 2025

Phantasm said:
Koe?

Koeffecient's evil twin if he decided to become a gender special vtuber instead of pursuing fighting games. Truly a cursed timeline.

Ｍｕｒｒａｙしないで said:
Re the Hero Factory situation, someone named Konotomo, who claims to be a lawyer, is going over the HF doc as well as a spreadsheet listing out the talents' complaints - if that spreadsheet is public somewhere I haven't been able to find it. He's over an hour in now so I'll probably download the VOD and rewatch it from the beginning once he's done. River, Podge, and SocksPR of all people have been in chat.

I just clicked in and already I hear, "He was apparently dating one of the talents.". This is fucking unbelievable lmao.

Phantasm · Feb 23, 2025

TKN_Lurker said:
Koeffecient's evil twin if he decided to become a gender special vtuber instead of pursuing fighting games. Truly a cursed timeline.

See now you've just convinced me even more that's him though

Brosnan Pierce Brosnan · Feb 23, 2025

TKN_Lurker said:
A small update to the Hero Factory vtuber micro corpo implosion. Some digging led to me finding the Ceo's social media links. His Bluesky caught my interest and man...I was not ready for the picture he posted on his public main. (If you don't want to look, it's a hairy bearded man in a maid outfit.)

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In comparison, this is what he looks like in his vtuber persona.
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Explains a lot on why it died doesn't it?

Ｍｕｒｒａｙしないで said:
Re the Hero Factory situation, someone named Konotomo, who claims to be a lawyer, is going over the HF doc as well as a spreadsheet listing out the talents' complaints - if that spreadsheet is public somewhere I haven't been able to find it. He's over an hour in now so I'll probably download the VOD and rewatch it from the beginning once he's done. River, Podge, and SocksPR of all people have been in chat.

Also, apparently the Podge VOD is available after all. I'm downloading it and will give it a watch.

Edit: She starts her stream by saying "Hello, my Podgechamps!" and my hatred for Twitch and its culture grows just a little bit more.

TKN_Lurker said:
Koeffecient's evil twin if he decided to become a gender special vtuber instead of pursuing fighting games. Truly a cursed timeline.

I just clicked in and already I hear, "He was apparently dating one of the talents.". This is fucking unbelievable lmao.

No idea who any of these people are yet it somehow has it all. How does Vtubing keep doing it?

In five years we will find out that only Pixelink was on the straight and narrow but then the CEO fucking DIED

God hates anime confirmed

Aquatic Novellite · Feb 23, 2025

Brosnan Pierce Brosnan said:
No idea who any of these people are yet it somehow has it all. How does Vtubing keep doing it?

I for one have absolutely no idea how an industry reliant on exploiting naive young women's influencer dreams attracts shady figures out for pussy and a quick scam.

Limkin · Feb 23, 2025

Aquatic Novellite said:
I for one have absolutely no idea how an industry reliant on exploiting naive young women's influencer dreams attracts shady figures out for pussy and a quick scam.

If you estimate a cost per vtuber to be about 5k and you launch a 4 member first gen, that already puts you 20k down. And there is no guarantee you will bang any of them. If you have 20k budget to work with, starting a vtuber agency to fuck a girl is questionable at best

dumdum did nothing wrong · Feb 23, 2025

TKN_Lurker said:
A small update to the Hero Factory vtuber micro corpo implosion. Some digging led to me finding the Ceo's social media links. His Bluesky caught my interest and man...I was not ready for the picture he posted on his public main. (If you don't want to look, it's a hairy bearded man in a maid outfit.)

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In comparison, this is what he looks like in his vtuber persona.
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Explains a lot on why it died doesn't it?

odds on him being a member of a certain blue bear's gang? :smugrys:

Svarog · Feb 23, 2025

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