General Thread v3: The Hexagone

NeneLOVE · Sep 21, 2024

RestlessRain said:
Noticing a few advertisements for the V4 Mirai that are debuting tomorrow. They're also sitting at about 40K subs each before debut, which shows they're investing heavily into the upcoming talents, which I do like to see. I'm pretty happy with who I'm watching now, but good luck to the girls with their debuts.

Lyko Lianna Ch.ãV4Miraiã

Lyko Lianna here! I'm the bestest best Hacker in V4 Mirai! Totally not just making it up! I'm the head of the HEAD of cyber security! Be good. No files are safe from my prying eyes! ( â Ï â *) ËËËâ¼â³â¼ââââââ¼â³â¼ ËËË

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Rara Rocora Ch.ãV4Miraiã

WAF WAF WAF!!! ð¹ï¸ð¾ ï¸¶ï¸¶ï¸¶ï¸¶ï¸¶ï¸¶ï¸¶ï¸¶ï¸¶à¼â§âË. Hi! Hi! HELLO! Itâs Rara Rocora, V4Miraiâs 4th GEN Voltailâs yapping Chihuahua! Come hang with me when you can, okay!? Come on! Donât make me wait up for you forever! ï¸¶ï¸¶ï¸¶ï¸¶ï¸¶ï¸¶ï¸¶ï¸¶ï¸¶à¼â§âË. ãCreditsã On Twitter...

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Poma Pon Ch.ãV4Miraiã

WHOOP WHOOP! V4Mirai's #1 feral hyena cheerleader of Gen 4 Voltail! Here to knock you dead! â¨ð

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Terra 404 Ch. ãV4Miraiã

V4Mirai's one and only glitch! Advocate for Dino Chimken nuggies and the bringer of Chaos. ARE YOU READY?! Too late! Make sure you provide Terra her daily dose of nuggies or we don't know what may happen!

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Hearing rrats of bots, is it true?

frz · Sep 21, 2024

ValkyrieAce said:
Did anyone mention this?

https://ahamo.com/special/gigapro/index.html
Holo/Niji/VSpo collab with an MV, shorts, and a concert.

Kokoro, Hinano, Sumire, Matsuri & Polka?
I hope they goes full deep voice but it will probs just be cutesy idol song.
I looked at the article comments and one of them went "I'm sad there is no male lives" :anyannoyed:

Go die nijisisters.

RestlessRain · Sep 21, 2024

Nenélove said:
Hearing rrats of bots, is it true?

I couldn't say if there are bots or not driving up the sub count, although 40K subs for predebut outside of Hololive is really high for late 2024. I can tell you I've had three advertisements for the talents over the last two days, so at least I can tell you they are spending decently on targeted advertising.

superduper · Sep 21, 2024

Chinchilla is singing. THIS IS NOT A DRILL GET IN HERE!

Jacks Wasted Life · Sep 21, 2024

Nenélove said:
Hearing rrats of bots, is it true?

My 3 view Ollie is doing a watchalong of the debut. Dunno if she was paid to, or was just excited about it. No I'm not telling who. I gatekeep. Makes you wonder though...

JusticeDog · Sep 21, 2024

RestlessRain said:
I can tell you they are spending decently on targeted advertising.

Almost every time I searched for something vtuber related on youtube this week, the first thing I saw was a promoted post for one of their channels.

Also do you have an idea of what a "good" predebut sub count is? The Specialite girls that debut next week are all hovering between 3 and 4k.

Abomination · Sep 21, 2024

Yuu announced to be joining some Overwatch 2 tournament. Don't know anything about OW anymore, nor do I care about it, but pretty cool for Yuu, who is a fan of it.

Also, nice little update for us AquPeko fans:

I wasn't really expecting to hear too many updates about Aqua post-graduation from the Holomems, but we've gotten quite a few nice little updates about her. Still miss her, but it's really nice to hear she's doing well and that other Holomems are still hanging out with her and keeping in touch.

RestlessRain · Sep 21, 2024

JusticeDog said:
Almost every time I searched for something vtuber related on youtube this week, the first thing I saw was a promoted post for one of their channels.

Also do you have an idea of what a "good" predebut sub count is? The Specialite girls that debut next week are all hovering between 3 and 4k.

Okay, did some digging on some old Phase Connect viewing numbers I'd saved. Gen 3 debuted late December 2023, these numbers are one week after debut:

RestlessRain said:
So, one week after the debut streams, all the Gen 3 talents have at least 10K subscribers.

Hikanari Hina - 10.3K subs
Runie Ruse - 10.6K subs
Saya Sairroxs - 11.6K subs
Eimi Isami - 12.5K subs
Muu Muyu - 13.8K subs

And Phase Invaders debuted May 2023, these are the sub numbers are on the day of debut:

I know I've posted the CCV during both sets of debuts, which I might dig up later if anyone wants them.

So V4 Mirai's 40K subs for predebut is huge, and 3K is fairly small (but a talent could build from that with hard work).

Back to Nenelove's question about botting - I don't want to claim without evidence that the higher numbers are from botting. Brave Group loves spending money to get clout, and paying for a big advertising campaign for huge debut numbers is something I could see Brave group doing. The best way to see how things pan out is to see what the debut CCV is like, if stuff like chat speed matches, and how the talents fare in the weeks after debut.

NeneLOVE · Sep 21, 2024

RestlessRain said:
Okay, did some digging on some old Phase Connect viewing numbers I'd saved. Gen 3 debuted late December 2023, these numbers are one week after debut:

And Phase Invaders debuted May 2023, these are the sub numbers are on the day of debut:
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I know I've posted the CCV during both sets of debuts, which I might dig up later if anyone wants them.

So V4 Mirai's 40K subs for predebut is huge, and 3K is fairly small (but a talent could build from that with hard work).

Back to Nenelove's question about botting - I don't want to claim without evidence that the higher numbers are from botting. Brave Group loves spending money to get clout, and paying for a big advertising campaign for huge debut numbers is something I could see Brave group doing. The best way to see how things pan out is to see what the debut CCV is like, if stuff like chat speed matches, and how the talents fare in the weeks after debut.

Phase has stupidly low subs compared to CCV for whatever reason, so they aren't quite a good metric. I have been getting spammed with ads for these people though so maybe it's just that. Also they're doing shorts so that probably contributes.

I don't really care about subs because they don't mean anything but 40k pre-debut is certainly abnormal for a corpo this niche.

closedblas · Sep 21, 2024

Nenélove said:
Hearing rrats of bots, is it true?

When they debut, just say "X chats with Y viewers, obvious botting" for all real numbers X, Y such that X < Y.

reinigen · Sep 21, 2024

RestlessRain said:
Noticing a few advertisements for the V4 Mirai that are debuting tomorrow. They're also sitting at about 40K subs each before debut, which shows they're investing heavily into the upcoming talents, which I do like to see. I'm pretty happy with who I'm watching now, but good luck to the girls with their debuts.

Lyko Lianna Ch.ãV4Miraiã

Lyko Lianna here! I'm the bestest best Hacker in V4 Mirai! Totally not just making it up! I'm the head of the HEAD of cyber security! Be good. No files are safe from my prying eyes! ( â Ï â *) ËËËâ¼â³â¼ââââââ¼â³â¼ ËËË

www.youtube.com

Rara Rocora Ch.ãV4Miraiã

WAF WAF WAF!!! ð¹ï¸ð¾ ï¸¶ï¸¶ï¸¶ï¸¶ï¸¶ï¸¶ï¸¶ï¸¶ï¸¶à¼â§âË. Hi! Hi! HELLO! Itâs Rara Rocora, V4Miraiâs 4th GEN Voltailâs yapping Chihuahua! Come hang with me when you can, okay!? Come on! Donât make me wait up for you forever! ï¸¶ï¸¶ï¸¶ï¸¶ï¸¶ï¸¶ï¸¶ï¸¶ï¸¶à¼â§âË. ãCreditsã On Twitter...

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Poma Pon Ch.ãV4Miraiã

WHOOP WHOOP! V4Mirai's #1 feral hyena cheerleader of Gen 4 Voltail! Here to knock you dead! â¨ð

www.youtube.com

Terra 404 Ch. ãV4Miraiã

V4Mirai's one and only glitch! Advocate for Dino Chimken nuggies and the bringer of Chaos. ARE YOU READY?! Too late! Make sure you provide Terra her daily dose of nuggies or we don't know what may happen!

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How are people feeling? Think we want a debut thread for chatter on this? Or will Liveposting be good enough?

RestlessRain · Sep 21, 2024

reinigen said:
How are people feeling? Think we want a debut thread for chatter on this? Or will Liveposting be good enough?

Hasn't been much chatter before I mentioned their debut half an hour ago. I think Liveposting will be fine.

Hff201 · Sep 21, 2024

Nenélove said:
Hearing rrats of bots, is it true?

The Shorts on their channels have good views so I'd wage they've picked up most of their subs from the Shorts feed spoonfeeding them to iPad kids, rather than any actual foul play. There's really not much benefit in botting subscriber counts, if they wanted to game the system then botting the streams to boost watch time so they get recommended more would be more effective.

RestlessRain · Sep 21, 2024

Hff201 said:
The Shorts on their channels have good views so I'd wage they've picked up most of their subs from the Shorts feed spoonfeeding them to iPad kids, rather than any actual foul play. There's really not much benefit in botting subscriber counts, if they wanted to game the system then botting the streams to boost watch time so they get recommended more would be more effective.

I don't know if shorts have played much of a role in their current sub count, since their sub counts are pretty similar. I'd say it's more due to the advertising campaign.

Todd's Strongest Howard · Sep 21, 2024

ValkyrieAce said:
Did anyone mention this?

https://ahamo.com/special/gigapro/index.html
Holo/Niji/VSpo collab with an MV, shorts, and a concert.

Niji leaning on other companies for relevance now. I wonder who is going to buy them out in the end.

agility_ said:
I would love it if people came together and held Froot accountable for her bullshit, but this is the internet.

Nah, seeing the replies on her crypost, basically every fucking vtuber replying is just cloutfarming off the giant circlejerk it enables because no one wants to be the realist to point out the truth and catch backlash from white knight retards. This is all the same shit you can find in any other entertainment industry but ten times worse because everyone lives and dies on direct public interaction. Flip the script, how many of these same people would be lambasting a nobody who comes out with the exact same story if they were forced to give an opinion? They're only playing sympathy because it looks good for metrics. Absolute disgraceful behaviour. You know for a fact that Froot will absolutely backstab any single one of them the second it becomes convenient for public image.

Azehara · Sep 21, 2024

Takodachi said:
Retard I've been following for a while might have lost her virginity... to a bike seat.

From what I have heard, bike seats are probably one of the main virgin killers.

Nenélove said:
Hearing rrats of bots, is it true?

Im somewhat leaning towards it.

Hff201 said:
The Shorts on their channels have good views so I'd wage they've picked up most of their subs from the Shorts feed spoonfeeding them to iPad kids, rather than any actual foul play. There's really not much benefit in botting subscriber counts, if they wanted to game the system then botting the streams to boost watch time so they get recommended more would be more effective.

Seems a bit iffy. I find it extremely hard for them to get so many subs so fast. Yes they are advertising the shit out of them but this is ridiculous.

Todd's Strongest Howard said:
Nah, seeing the replies on her crypost, basically every fucking vtuber replying is just cloutfarming off the giant circlejerk it enables because no one wants to be the realist to point out the truth and catch backlash from white knight retards. This is all the same shit you can find in any other entertainment industry but ten times worse because everyone lives and dies on direct public interaction. Flip the script, how many of these same people would be lambasting a nobody who comes out with the exact same story if they were forced to give an opinion? They're only playing sympathy because it looks good for metrics. Absolute disgraceful behaviour. You know for a fact that Froot will absolutely backstab any single one of them the second it becomes convenient for public image.

Anyone that might be big enough to call her out on her shit wouldn't do it because it would technically be career suicide and they would just push their peers away.

Lurker McSpic · Sep 21, 2024

RestlessRain said:
Brave Group loves spending money to get clout, and paying for a big advertising campaign for huge debut numbers is something I could see Brave group doing.

Did no one learn anything from head jew? :Vesper-UNHINGED:

I don't blame them for advertising but I think that when you overdo it, it ends up hurting them long term. Bloating the sub count when they don't have a "healthy" ccv for the algorithm might kneecap their growth. Also didn't someone said this batch might have hexa in it or I got the groups mixed up?

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