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TKN_Lurker

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Wait did no one catch one of proctors 2views finding out he's a dramastreamer and shooting him on sight?





> Posting Hector Marcan in 2025
It's actually kind of weird how Hector/Asahi is indirectly involved with the creation of this site.

Does the Streisand effect not exist to these people? Glad for the free advertising I guess. We'll make sure to document their inevitable crash out when it happens. Remember, you're on the internet forever.
 

sbm

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If you allow me to View attachment 93287 for a bit, Linus Tech Tips just released a video breaking down his media empire's 2024 revenue streams.

Due to their size their numbers are probably more applicable to something like Cover or Anycolor as a whole than to smaller agencies, much less to small individual channels, but it can be used as a rough ballpark.
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Creator Warehouse is their in-house merchandising company.
Breakdown by merch type
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Not particularly relevant given that LTT aren't in the cardboard or acrylic business and Cover don't do tools, but hey
Breakdown of Youtube revenue
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That one's pretty interesting, I would have thought Premium users would contribute a much more disproportionate percentage of the revenue. But again, it's hard to compare the CPM of daily 15-20 minute videos from a tech channel to hours-long gaming or variety streams
Speaking of which, some specific adsense revenue metrics:
  • Shorts don't pay. Their most popular short made $1,300 for 13 million views, or 0.0001 $/view
  • Their biggest video of 2024 (9.3 million views) made 0.002 $/view
  • Their biggest livestream made even more money, 0.018 $/view. Hard to tell if that includes superchats, although they discourage their use and try to funnel viewers into buying merch which comes with a message read
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In past years they've dug more into how premium contributes to revenue. Basically premium payout is dependent solely on video length. The high revenue for their livestreams is entirely because of premium, since streams are the longest videos they make by far. That also makes streams their most profitable videos from adsense (eg. before sponsors), even with much lower views.

If you apply that to vtubers, premium should be a massive part of ad revenue (at least a third if not more of ad rev), but in addition vtubers usually earn even more on the YT side with memberships. At one point it was possible to estimate membership revenue against public superchat data and an assumed ad cpm, and it seemed likely it would be about 30-50% of the Google payout that Anycolor and Cover were reporting in their IPO docs. There hasn't been detailed enough reporting since to do this again.

On the other hand neither Niji nor Holo have gotten into the youtuber habit of slapping a sponsor read into every video.
 

httn

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Care to fill in those of us who don't know this story?
Hector Marcan was a friend of Byuu and the person who initially broke the news of Byuu's suicide, blaming harrassment from Kiwifarms as the cause. This event got media attention and ended up snowballing into the #dropkiwifarms movement which caused the farms to get deplatformed and ddos'd. During this extended downtime the asylum was created as an alternative for the farms Vtuber thread.
 

lakyus

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Hector Marcan was a friend of Byuu and the person who initially broke the news of Byuu's suicide, blaming harrassment from Kiwifarms as the cause. This event got media attention and ended up snowballing into the #dropkiwifarms movement which caused the farms to get deplatformed and ddos'd. During this extended downtime the asylum was created as an alternative for the farms Vtuber thread.
Alleged suicide.:dokiSmugNew:
 

Italian Raccoon

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Wait did no one catch one of proctors 2views finding out he's a dramastreamer and shooting him on sight?





> Posting Hector Marcan in 2025
It's actually kind of weird how Hector/Asahi is indirectly involved with the creation of this site.

Errm they're wrong, actually it's called phonebooking now.
 

God's Strongest Dragoon

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So not necessarily focusing on Proctor but the enormous turnaround I see idiots pull on people that get revealed for being kiwis and then trying to shine a spotlight on them is really shortsighted. If they haven't been a problem, why provoke someone that likely has the capacity to document your entire internet history down to your club penguin account if you motivate them? You aren't magically hiding from them if you ban them from your fagcord, there's tons of autistic retards that will reintroduce themselves as an entirely fresh persona and then monitor your fagcord while you likely act even more retarded because you let your guard down thinking you permanently ejected them. You risk causing someone that's simply an audience member into going full bore on you. You are literally creating your own schizo, you fucking retards.

This just seems like a larger problem as a whole with people becoming too confident talking mad shit online because they have yet to neither be punched in the mouth nor been doxmax'd and had 873 pizzas delivered to their house. Did these retarded zoomers never pick up the millennial joke about being nice to the potential school shooter so they spare you?
 

Svarog

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Onolumi playing Assassin's Creed 2.


Hanabi drawing. She's kind of back after a hiatus. I hope to see more of her now.


Riko playing Animal Crossing.


Leyla will be playing Animal Shelter 2 in 20 minutes. She, Hana, Etna Crimson and Rai Galilei are the last remaining streamers from the NijiID.
 

The Proctor

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You risk causing someone that's simply an audience member into going full bore on you. You are literally creating your own schizo, you fucking retards.

In fairness I would at bare minimum warn anyone who tried to actively 'dox' a vtuber who was publicly critical of the site. I don't want crusades for revenge or anything similar taking place here. It's pointless and petty. There's thousands of vtubers out there, so even if 90% of them are retarded, that's still ten times more hours of content to watch than you'll ever have time for. One of the main reasons I make zero effort to hide who I am and never use alt accounts when watching people is to make certain I'm noticed and that people have an unfiltered reaction to me. The faster they reach that 'am I okay with him watching me?' point, the faster I get to see if they're the kind of person I want to keep watching or not. So far that strategy has filtered a lot of people, but also got me some really cool and nice people to watch, like GenesisPrism or CeciHime. Weirdly enough it's almost always women who have a decent amount of life experience and understanding of stress and hardship outside the internet, so they realize how petty and meaningless it is to get riled at a random viewer whose greatest crime in connection to you is occasionally posting bird pictures in your Discord.
 

ZerroDefex

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Ceci is being menhera again...
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Maybe don't treat the Internet as your diary then?
Why do they always do this? It just draws attention to it.
I think you answered your own question.
It's up there with muscle mommies with being safe horny cause men practically aren't allowed to express their attraction to woman any other way without being branded a creep they must either show attraction to the unconventional or act submissive
While I like some muscle on my women the moment "mommy" is attached to a term it immediately becomes cringe. I already have a real mother whom I keep a healthy distance from, I'm not interested in a replacement thank you very much.
That being said, the current hagmaxxers would most likely push back at the notion of Hags being 45 - 50+ years old. If they like older women, they should prove it.
I just don't care for women older than myself. Being in my early 40s it just means I'm fine with women up to their late 30s and the scale grows along with me. But let's be honest, if we could stay physically in our mid-20s most would, it's really mental maturity that's desirable.
 

Phantasm

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It's weird how they'll use that screenshot to attack Proctor when he was defending dramafags but they'll most likely never have that same energy for the dramafags themselves while at the same time the post wasn't even about doxxing in the first place
 
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Todd's Strongest Howard

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>I love the ass shot, but she's alt-right

Wow, aren't you such an upstanding individual, you only goon ethically.

Thankfully, nothing gets me going harder than a sharply tailored woman wearing a crisp Hugo Boss fit.

Did these retarded zoomers never pick up the millennial joke about being nice to the potential school shooter so they spare you?

Of course not, they think that the block button is the ultimate power and that the second they turn off your voice you lose power.

They don't realize the quiet autists are the danger, because if they're not distracted running their mouths and being fed attention that way, they're rifling through all your public info for ways to embarrass you. They're in the same kind of mindset of folks that post about going to [public event/convention] wearing something visually identifiable and then following up with a whinepost about being harassed by a random weirdo. They never consider the outcome of their actions on the internet, they think it's completely disconnected from reality and some small, hidden little pocket no one knows about. Most of the time they're too ignorant to really make it the little small hidden pocket it could be because they have no idea of what the scope of the internet really is like.
 
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Aquatic Novellite

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Wait did no one catch one of proctors 2views
No.

Because it's a 2view.
Does the Streisand effect not exist to these people?
Since none of them gave any indication that they want TVA to be a secret to everyone, I'm pretty sure it's irrelevant. Indeed, it seems to be the opposite: At least one of them wants to warn everyone about us, which has knowing about us as a precondition.
 

ZerroDefex

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They're in the same kind of mindset of folks that post about going to [public event/convention] wearing something visually identifiable and then following up with a whinepost about being harassed by a random weirdo. They never consider the outcome of their actions on the internet, they think it's completely disconnected from reality and some small, hidden little pocket no one knows about. Most of the time they're too ignorant to really make it the little small hidden pocket it could be because they have no idea of what the scope of the internet really is like.
Yeah anyone with sense knows that you don't talk about an event until after you've already left the venue. Facebook and such got some people too comfortable with advertising their movements to randos in real-time or in advance even. Then again programming people into self-doxxing was much of the point.
 

dkn2038

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Wait did no one catch one of proctors 2views finding out he's a dramastreamer and shooting him on sight?



Proctor's grooming escapades get foiled yet again.
We will never be seen in a good light by these people, simply criticizing them is a faux pas to them and their audience/friends. We all love chucking around "vtuber" like all of them are equal, but most indies are just random internet people like you and me, they have no sense of "don't touch the shit" or "keep things professional" if something pisses them off they will go full internet keyboard warrior on you like any gacha sister or weeb autist.

Having a model and streaming to 5 people doesn't automatically make them wiser or more capable. In fact if you have any kind of college degree and stable career you are probably leagues above any of them, heck, having a high dose of common sense probably makes you superior.
 

John Vtuber👁️

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We're just diving headfirst into "talking about thing posted publicly by someone" is now doxxxxxxxing, huh
 

Punished Anime Discusser

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Proctor's grooming escapades get foiled yet again.
We will never be seen in a good light by these people, simply criticizing them is a faux pas to them and their audience/friends. We all love chucking around "vtuber" like all of them are equal, but most indies are just random internet people like you and me, they have no sense of "don't touch the shit" or "keep things professional" if something pisses them off they will go full internet keyboard warrior on you like any gacha sister or weeb autist.

Having a model and streaming to 5 people doesn't automatically make them wiser or more capable. In fact if you have any kind of college degree and stable career you are probably leagues above any of them, heck, having a high dose of common sense probably makes you superior.
See, I think exploding dramafags on sight is being very sensible.

Everything else they posted, not so much.
 

Cubanodun

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having a high dose of common sense probably makes you superior.
Trying to find common sense on vtubing is like trying to find Air in the void of space
 

GOD'S STRONGEST BUILDERBEAR

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We're just diving headfirst into "talking about thing posted publicly by someone" is now doxxxxxxxing, huh
yea we did like 4 years ago thats why we are here in the first place
 

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