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I Wanna Die

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I know we bitch about Chinese and the Chinamen games. But at least they are not French
If Ubisoft ends up selling to Tencent will the games improve or will they combine to make a horrible amalgam of Chinese and French garbage creating slop never before seen?
 

Brosnan Pierce Brosnan

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If Ubisoft ends up selling to Tencent will the games improve or will they combine to make a horrible amalgam of Chinese and French garbage creating slop never before seen?

Imagine Rainbow six starring long haired Chinese guys protecting the glory of China

Actually with Tom Clancy dead how tf do they handle his estate? Does Ubisoft somehow have a perpetual license? Siege doesn't jive with his work at all.
 

I Wanna Die

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Imagine Rainbow six starring long haired Chinese guys protecting the glory of China

Actually with Tom Clancy dead how tf do they handle his estate? Does Ubisoft somehow have a perpetual license? Siege doesn't jive with his work at all.
I miss the old Rainbow Six games, back when they were fun.
 

Kazuma

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Well, after taking a few months away from the game after getting filtered as hell, I tried going back to Elden Ring again, and I'm calling it. I've been officially skill-issued, and I refuse to spend anymore time trying to "get gud" with it. After almost 60 hours in the game and countless boss fights, I just can't bring myself to keep at it.

I've only played Dark Souls 1-3 and Elden Ring from FS, and in 60 hours in Elden Ring, I might be able to put one boss from ER in my current top 20 favorite boss fights in the FS games I have played, and it would definitely be on the lower end of the 20 if one did make it. I can maybe name five that I thought were actually enjoyable in the game up to the point I'm stopping. The rest were boring and forgettable or so shitty and frustrating that I didn't even feel a sense of accomplishment from beating them. Just frustration that I had to go through it. Granted, I know I didn't get far enough in the game to probably reach some of the better boss fights near the end, but I'm giving up. The rest of the game has been pretty great, but after almost 60 hours in and barely finding any boss fights that I can consider really good, I don't feel like spending more time. I'd rather just go do another run in DS3 or something.

What ended up filtering me the most is how frustratingly bad the gank fights were. I used to dislike gank fights in general, but playing some of the well-crafted ones in the DS games really gave me an appreciation for a well-made gank fight. Obviously, the O&S fight is a gold standard example of one, but I think my favorite is the Demon in Pain/Demon From Below fight. It's challenging, but the two are synergized so well that it feels buttery smooth fighting them. And then we have Elden Ring with fights like the Valiant Gargoyle duo. Probably the worst gank fight I've ever fought, and as I said earlier, I felt no sense of accomplishment from beating them. I was more frustrated than anything having to go through it. I can't think of a single gank fight I've experienced in ER that felt like they were actually synergized well. It was just literally taking an enemy made for a solo fight and throwing it together with another one, and it just didn't feel fun at all.

For the record, what finally got me was the duo Crucible Knight fight. Both were fine, but nothing special, on their own. But when I'm spending that much time trying to separate them just enough to get one, maybe two hits in while avoiding their chain attacks, it's just not fun, and it pretty much feels this way in all the gank fights I've done.

I'm not saying it's a bad game. I acknowledge that most people genuinely enjoy the game, and I can see why. But after all of this, the game's just not for me. I'm just not able to "get gud" enough to enjoy the game before I just get frustrated with it. It's honestly very disappointing.
You should try MHGU dual arena quests, or Ninja Gaiden Black, they're games that taught me how to survive a sigil where every single enemy there wants to end your life very quickly.
 

Helkar

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Marvelslop updates: having fun, slowly selecting a small roster of characters rather than just trying everyone wildly.
Had a major having-fun breakthrough with Thor upon realising that he's less of a tank and more of a skirmisher, and my job on him is to just press his dash literally all the time. Still forgetting to activate his arc lightning form, but other than that, a constantly-dashing Thor is certainly more enjoyable than holding-position Thor.
Hawkeye is just Hanzo from early OW, you can swing arrows vaguely in the direction of the enemy team and still get occasional kills just because.
Wolverine seems fun, but, same with Panther, kind of difficult, melee DPS is obviously gonna be way harder to balance than ranged.
 

God's Strongest Dragoon

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Marvelslop updates: having fun, slowly selecting a small roster of characters rather than just trying everyone wildly.
Had a major having-fun breakthrough with Thor upon realising that he's less of a tank and more of a skirmisher, and my job on him is to just press his dash literally all the time. Still forgetting to activate his arc lightning form, but other than that, a constantly-dashing Thor is certainly more enjoyable than holding-position Thor.
Hawkeye is just Hanzo from early OW, you can swing arrows vaguely in the direction of the enemy team and still get occasional kills just because.
Wolverine seems fun, but, same with Panther, kind of difficult, melee DPS is obviously gonna be way harder to balance than ranged.
Hawkeye is one of the two permabanned champs in Diamond and Wolverine is actually super strong but hard to master. He's a tankbuster but plays more like an assassin as he sneaks around and waits for a tank to overexpose themselves, then charges the enemy tank into his team and deletes them. He's been getting banned in top 500 lobbies because there's a guy that hit rank 1 as a Wolverine OTP and he's basically taught everyone how to play Wolverine by being such a nuisance.
 

Helkar

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God's Strongest Dragoon

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Lemme guess, second is Hela? Her damage output is kind of absurd.
Yes, Hela and Hawkeye are the two permabanned. Her ult is also stupidly broken because it gives her 1000 HP (more than any tank in the game) and requires your team to turn and burst her down (which doesn't kill her and only takes her out of the ult). Even if a Strange flies up and shields in her face, he's not shielding his team. When Hela pops her ult, their team gains another tank that's lobbing her normal headshot damage hits but with aoe damage.

Luna is also often banned because her ult is the best in the game.
 

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If Ubisoft ends up selling to Tencent will the games improve or will they combine to make a horrible amalgam of Chinese and French garbage creating slop never before seen?
It will be scantly clad chinaslop; just constant big butts and tiddies. The chinese know very well what coomers want, and they have vats full of the stuff.
 

CalciumAnimal

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Marvelslop updates: having fun, slowly selecting a small roster of characters rather than just trying everyone wildly.
Had a major having-fun breakthrough with Thor upon realising that he's less of a tank and more of a skirmisher, and my job on him is to just press his dash literally all the time. Still forgetting to activate his arc lightning form, but other than that, a constantly-dashing Thor is certainly more enjoyable than holding-position Thor.
Hawkeye is just Hanzo from early OW, you can swing arrows vaguely in the direction of the enemy team and still get occasional kills just because.
Wolverine seems fun, but, same with Panther, kind of difficult, melee DPS is obviously gonna be way harder to balance than ranged.
Thor is what's called a brawler which is a mobile tank that wants to be in constant combat. ignore his lightning ability for the most part spamming your other abilities to keep your shields up is in general more value. you use it for more or less two main reasons. catch someone who is hard to stick to (flyers other thors hulk venom spiderman ect.) either by bursting them down quick or hitting them from unexpected range or when your shields and full/nearfull and no one is hitting you for whatever reason so you can afford to blow all your thorforce on offense.

Hawkeye does have a bit of nuance to him his explosive arrows stack damage from each explosion so they can delete fist and panther stupid fast if they live then use your big sword slash to finish em and spamming his melee attack can save your life i had 2 hp left one lucky deflect saved me giving me time to hit the medkit but otherwise yeah he's actually rewarded for spamming arrows shots since most of his damage is on the arrow not on his focus mechanic
 

reinigen

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Thor is what's called a brawler which is a mobile tank that wants to be in constant combat. ignore his lightning ability for the most part spamming your other abilities to keep your shields up is in general more value. you use it for more or less two main reasons. catch someone who is hard to stick to (flyers other thors hulk venom spiderman ect.) either by bursting them down quick or hitting them from unexpected range or when your shields and full/nearfull and no one is hitting you for whatever reason so you can afford to blow all your thorforce on offense.
The major thing is that you don't want to burn Ascension once you've dove in to commit to a fight, because you remove your ability to escape with dash, or generate any shields for a bunch of time. You set yourself up to be targeted and burned. You really only want to pop it when you're at range like you mentioned. Another good time is to u load into Stranger's shield at the start of an engagement because a full volley from Ascension is like 750 damage, so nearly all of Stranger's shield on its own.
Hawkeye does have a bit of nuance to him his explosive arrows stack damage from each explosion so they can delete fist and panther stupid fast if they live then use your big sword slash to finish em and spamming his melee attack can save your life i had 2 hp left one lucky deflect saved me giving me time to hit the medkit but otherwise yeah he's actually rewarded for spamming arrows shots since most of his damage is on the arrow not on his focus mechanic
Hawkeye wouldn't be nearly as bad if his ult wasn't completely fucking retarded. For those that aren't aware, when he pops two things happen - 1) he gets instacharged arrows, and 2) the enemy team starts leaving ghost-like after images behind as you move. And those ghosts will count for hitting you. So even if you duck behind cover he can still kill your ass if an afterimage is still exposed.

What it looks like -
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I fucking hate it because it feels like there's no counterplay aside from "Kill his ass". At least for Hela or Iron Man you can LoS their shit. Hawkeye just feels like a free "I get to kill 3-4 of your team even if you hide and there's nothing you can do about it."
 

Helkar

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The major thing is that you don't want to burn Ascension once you've dove in to commit to a fight, because you remove your ability to escape with dash, or generate any shields for a bunch of time. You set yourself up to be targeted and burned.
Yeah, been there done that.
 

CalciumAnimal

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I fucking hate it because it feels like there's no counterplay aside from "Kill his ass". At least for Hela or Iron Man you can LoS their shit. Hawkeye just feels like a free "I get to kill 3-4 of your team even if you hide and there's nothing you can do about it."
eh true enough but hawkeye should be dead as soon as he steps out of cover even if he wasn't busted the biggest issue i find is no one hunting his ass down and making his whole game miserable for whoever picked him hes very easy to kill unless you let him find an annoying perch with a team protecting him.
 

God's Strongest Dragoon

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eh true enough but hawkeye should be dead as soon as he steps out of cover even if he wasn't busted the biggest issue i find is no one hunting his ass down and making his whole game miserable for whoever picked him hes very easy to kill unless you let him find an annoying perch with a team protecting him.
A lot of people either don't pick dive characters or they don't know how to dive and end up walking face first into the entire enemy team.
 

reinigen

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A lot of people either don't pick dive characters or they don't know how to dive and end up walking face first into the entire enemy team.
I can't tell you how many times I see dive characters initiate a fight rather than waiting in the shadows for the cluster to start creating a distraction. Guys, please. At least give yourself a few moments of free distraction unless you have a 100% no questions pick.
 

Helkar

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I can't tell you how many times I see dive characters initiate a fight rather than waiting in the shadows for the cluster to start creating a distraction. Guys, please. At least give yourself a few moments of free distraction unless you have a 100% no questions pick.
I mean if you're playing quickplay, like i am, your options for distractions are very limited.
 

God's Strongest Dragoon

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I can't tell you how many times I see dive characters initiate a fight rather than waiting in the shadows for the cluster to start creating a distraction. Guys, please. At least give yourself a few moments of free distraction unless you have a 100% no questions pick.
With how new the game is, there is a colossal skill gap with the DPS that know the maps/flank routes and those that haven't figured them out yet. Most of the issues have been due to DPS diff and not so much support or tank diff.
 

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Pretty sure the first mission of the DLC is just Arno mentioning Elise and mourning her, so huge unavoidable spoilers.

Yep did the exact same thing and boy I was mad as it was basically forcing you to play it without knowing it's the dlc and that it set after the story.
 
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