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The Graduation of Magni Dezmond and Vesper Noir - WE'RE SO BACK ORC BROS

El Rrata

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Have any of them streamed since the announcement? If not, then they're probably just waiting until then most likely.
Unless they hate each other now. Oh no, what if they do?

Bae, Kronii, and Ame have streamed. Kronii was celebrating her anniversary, so it is understandable she did not do it then, but Bae could have in her stream, as could have Ame. Bae and Ame may not have been too close to them, like Kronii and Calli were, but you would still think they would say something about it.
 

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So back on topic
Dammit I didn't even notice. DAMN YOU THREAD SEGREGATION!!

lemme try to recompense...
Magni and Vesper's Graduation announcement has now completely overshadowed Mysta's incoming one.

Common Holo W :smugrys:
 

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Kiara hates men so much, her RM's cosplay vlog is full of men, including men driving her.

But sure, she can't stand the idea of interacting with men online, it's just too triggering for her.


You just made me think of something, someone posted her instagram story a couple days ago, when they were at the pool and there was a guy with them. Damn poor Keeki, must have been so hard having a good time with her friends and just a guy intruding their space ew
 

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You just made me think of something, someone posted her instagram story a couple dats ago, when they were at the pool and there was a guy with him. Damn poor Keeki, must have been so hard having a good time with her friends and just s guy intruding their space ew
Well, the dude in that instagram story and the vlog are the same guy lol. Why is this guy stalking her?! /s
 

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Well, the dude in that instagram story and the vlog are the same guy lol. Why is this guy stalking her?! /s
Well, it surely can't be a boyfriend, 'cause she's an idol and she keeps flirting with anime women on the internet.
 

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I come bearing gifts from the newly formed /orc/ thread on VT. Someone has a playlist of a ton of Randon's unlisted VODS up on Youtube. Click the window below to see the entire playlist.


Also a preview of what we'll get when he celebrates his return by playing Xcom (probably)
 
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Honestly, with Vesper and Magni graduating, this might just doom StarsEN to obscurity.

Vesper specifically had a very clear audience of boomers who were running on nostalgia games and he retrains an audience.

And isn't Magni the one the most organized of HQ? He was the one that made the assets for their Halloween special, and with him now gone, I don't see anyone else in StarsEN being able to fill this support role. Magni and Vesper also dared to game with LiveEN, so now StarsEN are more siloed.

And now we have noone that does chill long zatsu.

From an analytics point of view, there is no way the managers don't see this. Not finding ways to keep Vesper and Magni ultimately hurts StarsEN .
 

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Honestly, with Vesper and Magni graduating, this might just doom StarsEN to obscurity.

Vesper specifically had a very clear audience of boomers who were running on nostalgia games and he retrains an audience.

And isn't Magni the one the most organized of HQ? He was the one that made the assets for their Halloween special, and with him now gone, I don't see anyone else in StarsEN being able to fill this support role. Magni and Vesper also dared to game with LiveEN, so now StarsEN are more siloed.

And now we have noone that does chill long zatsu.

From an analytics point of view, there is no way the managers don't see this. Not finding ways to keep Vesper and Magni ultimately hurts StarsEN .

It's ironic that they now need fresh blood when Tempus 2 probably came too early, but it would also require one hell of a gen to reinvigorate.
 

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Not finding ways to keep Vesper and Magni ultimately hurts StarsEN .
At the same time, I doubt they were successful enough to justify kowtowing to whatever demands they may have had.
 

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It has never meant that, the only thing graduation implies is a child friendly way of saying the person left the company, termination is when the person really fucked up big time and they don't feel like softening the blow for the fans. This whole "parade of glory" thing was only a thing for Coco and Sana, it isn't some established thing talents get by default. Specially if the contract rrat is correct and it ran out so they couldn't play the characters anymore.

In other news, gotta love how /vt/ rationalizes their hatred for Holostars now that they are officially out of the door without stating outright that they're salty fucking unicorns who got cucked by their oshis:
>Magni/vesper "wasted their opportunity on holo" (despite the fact these shitskins wanted them out for over a year now it's a bad thing?)
>Some random baseless accusation that justifies hating them
>Vesper has anger issues/disrespects management
>Magni is an ironic weeb/a fag
>They must've done something truly terrible to get fired
vt has and always will hate people with male genitalia because they unironically think that they have a chance at this women like they wont report their ass to local authorities the second they know they are in their immediate vicinity

reminder that this is the same type of people who dropped shiori right off the bat because she has jpeg husbandos and has somehow united to not archiving rins twitter space because her adoptive brother appeared in it completely forgetting the fact that she has a best friend whos a male for 10+ years now

i do apologize for the rambling unicorns just really piss me off in this particular situation
 

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it would also require one hell of a gen to reinvigorate.
From my perspective, I doubt that would be enough for me to watch the boys again, this graduation alongside Vesper's first suspension, Altare's "Gotta support the cause" stance during the wizard game drama which really rubbed me the wrong way, and also Tempus 2 debuting too early and in a time where an EN3 was desperately needed...
It may be silly to be mad at those things but my trust over StarsEN is permanently damaged.

I just hope for the best for those who are still there and no more graduations in the future. Someone like Bettel leaving would be a death blow to Tempus.
 

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It's ironic that they now need fresh blood when Tempus 2 probably came too early, but it would also require one hell of a gen to reinvigorate.

I wouldn't think even a new Gen will reinvigorate Tempus.

What Tempus was built on was brotherhood, and you can't magic that overnight. Their existing chemistry was built on 1.5 years of being together. And even if they brought in a new StarsEN Gen, VG has not had enough time or presence to really carve out their fanbase yet. A new StarsEN gen will basically have to start from scratch.

Hell I would even go as far as to say Altare and Axel by themselves no longer have the presence. Altare kind of only bounces off Kobo nowadays, and Axel really needs someone mature to bounce off of, and with no Vesper, there's only Shinri, and I would say Shinri is probably too mature/cautious to be a good banter partner with Axel.

Their lack of perms isn't helping them either.

At the same time, I doubt they were successful enough to justify kowtowing to whatever demands they may have had.

This is kind of a numbers game. Compromise for 2 or lose them all.

Magni and Vesper are really the only two I see consistently collaborating with LiveEN, and that in itself makes them unique enough to keep around.

I can't even see anyone in LiveEN or StarsEN being able to pull of the banter commentary of the worms collab except Bettel, and now he has noone to bounce off of.

I always saw Magni as the Kiara of Tempus. Kiara was able to hold Myth together to feel like an actual team. Losing Magni basically means losing that team dynamic. Altare is like a guild leader with noone to lead (or listen).

Someone like Bettel leaving would be a death blow to Tempus.

agree. He's what feels like the only team player left with a team of solos. And he got close to Magni too.


EDIT: probably another random point of view, but as a Sanalite, I see Sana as having passed the torch to Tempus HQ when they debuted as she herself was graduating, and now two of them are basically forced graduated without given the dignity of a final stream. Feels wrong.
 

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Ideally, the type of male streamer I'd want is someone who is a throwback to golden age youtube lets players and are fairly unrestrained in their reactions to it.
That might be a bridge too far for some people.
 

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What if we banned him from here already for being too unhinged?
Vesper was the BBCposter all along :thatsracist::vespernice:

Kiara said about this but I don't know if it's me not taking my meds (highly possible) but the way she talked made me remember a little rrat of mine of hers... does she hate males in general? I mean every time something related to males happens she seems to just ignore or do the absolutely minimum. The way she pointed out seemed like one of those extremely distant family members that you didn't even know but see in a funeral saying "that's sad but now he's resting/in a better place".

And im saying that not because she needed to have done a heartfelt speech after all I really believe she didn't knew them but was this cause she hadn't a opportunity to talk to them or cause she was avoiding them?

If the contracts of stars are the same of the girls I guess about a year?
After Asuka Wrestling I'm not sure I can really blame her tbh.

Reading through this thread has got me thinking about how bad male vtubers got it if they wanna go corpo. In terms of corps, you either got Holo, where you're effectively banned from interacting with 4/5ths of your coworkers while still having to put up with the retarded schizos they profit off of (on top of the existing issues with working for Cover), or Niji where you have more freedom at the literal cost of things like 2% on merch and such. Mid tier corpos can't even consider opening a male branch lest their whales leave and they fold. Despite how people have scoffed at the idea, I'm becoming more convinced a male Vshojo branch would be the best option for an aspiring male vtuber. The girls there will acknowledge you and collab with you, you seem to have a good deal in terms of profits, and the culture there isn't so hostile to your very existence. Especially if the claim about Judge Magni 2 being canned by management, that often-maligned talent freedom could be very useful for creative people like Randon whose ideas were constantly getting shat on by perm issues and general JP autism. Not Lando though, I saw his Grimace Shake video he's an unironic :WHORE!!!:
 

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This is kind of a numbers game. Compromise for 2 or lose them all.
My point was StarsEN is not successful enough to bother compromising for those two if the compromise means a better cut of subs and merch. As soon as those two get it, they are ammunition for the other talents to ask the same, company-wide. They would, undoubtably, rather let these two leave than risk rocking the boat.

I also don't agree with calling it a "forced graduation". If Vesper and Magni had conditions to stay on and Cover did not want to compromise on them, they are at an impasse unless one side gives. Magni and Vesper had to go into that with the understanding that if they didn't get what they wanted they were prepared to graduate. If they were prepared for that, then that was their decision to make.
 

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From my perspective, I doubt that would be enough for me to watch the boys again, this graduation alongside Vesper's first suspension, Altare's "Gotta support the cause" stance during the wizard game drama which really rubbed me the wrong way, and also Tempus 2 debuting too early and in a time where an EN3 was desperately needed...
It may be silly to be mad at those things but my trust over StarsEN is permanently damaged.

I just hope for the best for those who are still there and no more graduations in the future. Someone like Bettel leaving would be a death blow to Tempus.
I said it earlier and I'll happily take my rrat stickers, but if we were doing another deadpool or making newer posts in it I do think Bettel is going to roll out when his time swings around too. Don't be too attached. Would I like to be pleasantly surprised? Sure. Of course even. But he was very clearly on best terms with the two we just lost and is actively very consistently interacting with Lando all over the place irl. They have been for months before we had any hints of specific issues. It's not anywhere near difficult for me to think the three of them would peace out and be homobuddies elsewhere with less restrictions and whatnot.

If you figured you were making the right call, your friend did the same, and the two of you were both buddies with someone in a situation you "think is bad for them" that you just left, I imagine you would probably tell them to get out of that situation as well. So honestly I sort of expect the two of them to float the option of leaving to Bettel and the three just do a lotta gay homie shit in their PLs afterwards. This is also a big part of why I don't think there's any forced efforts at play. Mostly just seems to me like they shot for a better deal that Cover didn't think was worth it.

That said I do feel bad for Tempus in general. I don't exactly think they're dead but this certainly ruined the honeymoon cruise it was riding on losing its two biggest people. I fell off of watching Altare and Axel while Shinri and Bettel are the only two I really check out on and off from Vanguard. As I said, I suspect at least one of them is also likely heading out though. Frankly Axel leaving wouldn't surprise me either. StarsEN is just a harder sell to make work in general I imagine.
 
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Vesper was the BBCposter all along :thatsracist::vespernice:


After Asuka Wrestling I'm not sure I can really blame her tbh.

Reading through this thread has got me thinking about how bad male vtubers got it if they wanna go corpo. In terms of corps, you either got Holo, where you're effectively banned from interacting with 4/5ths of your coworkers while still having to put up with the retarded schizos they profit off of (on top of the existing issues with working for Cover), or Niji where you have more freedom at the literal cost of things like 2% on merch and such. Mid tier corpos can't even consider opening a male branch lest their whales leave and they fold. Despite how people have scoffed at the idea, I'm becoming more convinced a male Vshojo branch would be the best option for an aspiring male vtuber. The girls there will acknowledge you and collab with you, you seem to have a good deal in terms of profits, and the culture there isn't so hostile to your very existence. Especially if the claim about Judge Magni 2 being canned by management, that often-maligned talent freedom could be very useful for creative people like Randon whose ideas were constantly getting shat on by perm issues and general JP autism. Not Lando though, I saw his Grimace Shake video he's an unironic :WHORE!!!:
Realistically, you're always going to be at a disadvantage being a non-face streamer as a man. It's just part of the functional differences in the sexes and the way they interact. Thus, if you are going into the corpo scene, you simply have to take a different approach. Simply put, you have to be charismatic via voice and a little bit of model movement. This is distinctly different from Women playing the 2D role.

Since the Women's World Cup just ended, I'll use that as a reference point. Congrats to the Spain Women's National Team on their victory, but the reality is that the Under-16 team at a 2nd Division club could run circles around the team. Both literally & figuratively. The physical prowess difference is too vast that even the top Women's professional teams look incapable when competing at speed. That's sort of the playing field difference in the Vtuber space.

Realistically, the girls only need to maintain an interesting stream and sound engaged. They're appealing because they're involved in a heavily male activity, they look good on screen (when you look at the screen) and they're making interactions with either the Game or Chat. This is actually alien behavior in the "Meat Space", as that type of interaction would require a preexisting and extensive personal relationship between a Woman and a Man. This is a level beyond TV-type interactions and there's nothing actually relevant in the rest of human history to these types. Which is part of why "Streaming" just seems incomprehensible to a lot of people.

Vtubing is about 2 steps below being a Cam Girl (unless you're a Twitch Thot) and 1 step below Ginza Hostesses. I bring up the Ginza girls because as much as everyone jokes/lives the "HAG LOVE", realistically it's the same profession and for the same reasons. They can hold conversation and keep things interesting, they're not 18 year old air-heads (minus Lumi) and they appeal to that weird space between companionship and just honestly interacting without the social cost associated with it. And the Ginza girls make bank, though they have to get drunk regularly and do run the gamut from hostess to full escort.

Side point: Choco, Mel, Noel or Kson could easily have spent time as a Ginza Hostess. Just as a thought.

This reality is why the Onion can be so incredibly popular when seemingly never pushing herself super well/being super introverted. And Ayame can stream once a month and still make bank. This isn't the male experience because that's not what the audience wants from a Male streamer. You either need high charisma or high game competence, plus being a good streamer. Vesper decided to channel his inner menhara and it, so far, hasn't gotten him killed. Obviously, there's the Vox Akuma route, but that leans in heavily to his voice and at the clear cost of his own mental health. (Men don't do whore as well as Women do.)

As Nijisanji JP has shown, though, that there definitely is space for very successful male vtubers, you just can't assume you'll be like the girls. You have to do things really different, and being hyper competent at something that displays well on Stream really matters.
 

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Only a miracle can save Tempus Now.I have seen a lot of Tempuras leave the fandom.Stars JP survived but they bought enough time so UPROAR could help them.If Cover launchs a new StarsEN 3 nobody would like it,not even the few remaining fans.
Also:
 

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I still think Tempus Season 2 has great enough chemistry and all of them are pretty watchable alone but Altare and Dingo honestly cant live up as the sole "Gen 1" tards

I hope they can still squeeze out some work/merch or smaller projects with Gen 2 but i honestly cant see them doing much with bluefag and dingo
 

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I still think Tempus Season 2 has great enough chemistry and all of them are pretty watchable alone but Altare and Dingo honestly cant live up as the sole "Gen 1" tards

I hope they can still squeeze out some work/merch or smaller projects with Gen 2 but i honestly cant see them doing much with bluefag and dingo
Hakka, Shinri, and Bettel are all really good, imo. Bettel, especially, dude is hilarious. Axel is good when he has someone to bounce off of and Altare is not that. He shines when he is with rpr or Vesper.
 
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